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From the Ridiculous to the Sublime
« on: May 23, 2006, 09:39:06 pm »
I had two disparate experiences today with people regarding this movie.

The first one was with a longtime online friend at another forum who said she "has zero interest in ever seeing Brokeback" and who, in the same post, said that she was "tired of people labeling her as 'homophobic' just because [she] has a different view of homosexuals than Ang Lee."

It was like, "I'm sorry, but WHAT?"  I wrote this whole diatribe the gist of which was "Well, if the shoe fits..."  Then I deleted it because I figured why beat my head against the proverbial wall again?

Then, tonight, Ed's sister in Atlanta called me.  She goes, "I just had to call you because Ron and I finally watched your movie last night (LOL that people always refer to it as 'my movie').  Oh. My. God.  You were right.  WHAT a beautiful film!  I can't stop thinking about it.  Is it just me, or do those characters seem totally real to you?"

I laughed.  And said, "Yes.  So much so that I wear a necklace with two cowboy hat charms on it so that they can always be together."  She goes, "I can completely understand why.  Where did you get it?"

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Re: From the Ridiculous to the Sublime
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2006, 09:48:37 pm »
You are courageous to be out there with your love of the movie!!
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Re: From the Ridiculous to the Sublime
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2006, 09:54:04 pm »
And Bravo to Ed's sister!  :D
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Re: From the Ridiculous to the Sublime
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2006, 10:00:18 pm »
You are courageous to be out there with your love of the movie!!

Oh, I'm out there, all right.
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Re: From the Ridiculous to the Sublime
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2006, 10:12:15 pm »
I think I need some tokens of love as well-hats or horses or Heath and Jake (cuz there is no Heath without Jake!).

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Re: From the Ridiculous to the Sublime
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2006, 10:31:36 pm »
A Brokeback lover in Atlanta, huh?  :o I'm from Atlanta! How cool.

As for the ridiculous... I am getting so tired of homophobes who deny that they're homophobic. I mean that "tired of being labeled [homophobic]" bullshit is exactly what I'm talking about. This movie has taught me a lot about homophobia and really opened my eyes to just how many homophobes I know (again, I'm from Georgia) -- it's a startling number.

That's why I really appreciated this one episode of Family Guy that delt with gay marriage. At it's start I was thinking, "Oh, Jesus Christ, Family Guy and gay marriage? Here comes the stereotyping." I was pleasantly surprised to see, however, that they addressed the issue from all sides. One character (Brian) was a heterosexual, avid supporter of gays' rights. Other characters such as many of the people in their town, the politicians, and the family's grandparents were Republican homophobes. And then there was Lois, who repeated "I've never had any problems with gays before... but I just don't think they should be allowed to marry."

(Her character was redeemed, by the way; she realized the err of her ways.)

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Re: From the Ridiculous to the Sublime
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2006, 10:42:35 pm »
I hear ya there, Buff.  I am *beyond* tired of that mentality of "I'm not a homophobe - some of my best friends are gay.  But..."  GAH!

And Ruby, funny you should mention the tokens of love in the way that you did.  Tonight, my son goes, "What are these?" referring to my cowboy hat charms.  I said, "They're cowboy hats."  He goes, "Why are you wearing them?"  I said, "Because they represent my favorite movie characters."  He goes, "Oh.  OK." (as if that was all the explanation he needed to be satisfied.  God love 4-year-olds.)  Then he said, "Why are there two cowboy hats?"  I said, "Because you can't have one without the other."  He goes, "Oh.  OK."

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Re: From the Ridiculous to the Sublime
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2006, 01:10:32 am »
I am *beyond* tired of that mentality of "I'm not a homophobe - some of my best friends are gay.  But..."  GAH!

Echo that, Barb...

Just thought I would chime in here with another 'homophobe' story...A few days ago a guy I know peripherally asked what I'd been doing the past few months...Before I got 'BrokeBack Mountain' into one sentence, he's saying 'You know how homophobic I am.'  And proceeds to give me a list of examples/reasons/etc...My only answer was 'I hope you'll give it a chance one day; it changed my life.'

That's the first time I've heard homophobia expressed in the positive, as opposed to 'I'm not homophobic, but...'.  Actually I did NOT know that about him.  But I could have guessed because he's made extremely classist comments to me before.  All this happened in northern Alabama, if that matters.

BTW, I liked that Family Guy episode - Family Guy tickles my funnybone just the right way.

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Re: From the Ridiculous to the Sublime
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2006, 09:49:39 am »
Hey, Barb, I love your son's questions and the way he accepted your answers. My son's three, and he loves the soundtrack. ("Cowboy hat music," he calls it. Favorite song: "I Will Never Let You Go.") We had a conversation about why Jack and Ennis were sad that went about the way your conversation did. ("Oh." I love that response. Though I suspect that we'll be moving onto "But why?" very soon.)

That's what's so stunning about his acceptance of my answers - he's *totally* in the "But why?" stage.  He's also doing this thing where he'll ask me what something is, I'll tell him, (e.g., "What's that animal on the TV, Mommy?"  "It's a hippopotamus.") and he'll go, "No, it isn't."   :P
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Re: From the Ridiculous to the Sublime
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2006, 09:51:54 am »
That's the first time I've heard homophobia expressed in the positive, as opposed to 'I'm not homophobic, but...'.  Actually I did NOT know that about him.  But I could have guessed because he's made extremely classist comments to me before.  All this happened in northern Alabama, if that matters.

That's a new one - I've never heard someone admit to it like that.  But it's also quite disturbing, and just proves the point Kirk, I think it was, made here the other day - that it's no longer socially acceptable to be a racist, but it's still socially acceptable to be a homophobe.  I'd bet you a million dollars this same guy would *never* say "You know what a racist I am."
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Re: From the Ridiculous to the Sublime
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2006, 10:08:13 am »
"Cowboy hat music," he calls it.
I love that! That is so sweet and guileless, just the kind of thing a child's mind would conjure. I might adopt that as my new pet name for country and Western music, just as I've appropriated 'pornstache' for the hirsute confection some men choose to sport on their upper lip (and I might add I'm growing a nice little pornstache of my own these days--bring back the Seventies, and bring back Jack!).

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Re: From the Ridiculous to the Sublime
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2006, 10:44:37 am »
That's a new one - I've never heard someone admit to it like that.  But it's also quite disturbing, and just proves the point Kirk, I think it was, made here the other day - that it's no longer socially acceptable to be a racist, but it's still socially acceptable to be a homophobe.  I'd bet you a million dollars this same guy would *never* say "You know what a racist I am."

That's an excellent point, Barb.  I was trying to articulate the 'socially acceptable' part, but could not find the right words.  Interestingly enough, this conversation occurred in a TGIFriday's bar that is easily 50/50 gay/straight and was within a larger group...not a whispered aside.

'Cowboy hat music' - Love it, love it  ;)
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Re: From the Ridiculous to the Sublime
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2006, 10:56:14 am »
That's an excellent point, Barb.  I was trying to articulate the 'socially acceptable' part, but could not find the right words.  Interestingly enough, this conversation occurred in a TGIFriday's bar that is easily 50/50 gay/straight and was within a larger group...not a whispered aside.

'Cowboy hat music' - Love it, love it  ;)

There ya go.  Imagine someone saying "You know what a racist I am" when they're talking to a group comprised 50/50 of whites/blacks.  It's unfathomable, isn't it?  But I imagine about 40 years ago, it wasn't so much.

Sigh.  This (along with what I've read in Safe Haven this morning) makes me unspeakably sad.
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Re: From the Ridiculous to the Sublime
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2006, 11:06:33 am »
Sigh.  This (along with what I've read in Safe Haven this morning) makes me unspeakably sad.

  I hear ya Barb.   Just close your eyes and think of Jack and Ennis as we see them in Leslies FanFic.    Forever 32 yrs old, Happy and living on the ranch.  That always makes me happy.   :)

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Re: From the Ridiculous to the Sublime
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2006, 02:15:39 pm »
I am fascinated by what I perceive to be a paradox: people who say "I'm not racist" are more racist than people who can acknowledge their racism.  If only to themselves, which might keep them from staying stupid shit like "I'm not racist, but there sure are a lot of black people in this city!" For example.

Now, with homophobia, perhaps the paradox doesn't apply as consistently because it's perceived by many as an acceptable prejudice.

I have a friend who openly acknowledged being grossed out by the gay parts of "Six Feet Under" -- ew, gay stuff!  Ew!  And yet this man, according to my Dar, and regardless of his (bossy, controlling) girlfriend, is in a state of undealt-with gayness.  So maybe those who acknowledge their homophobia are on the bubble, about to either come out, or flip over into the light of acceptance.  Butterfly wings a-flappin.

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Re: From the Ridiculous to the Sublime
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2006, 02:31:56 pm »
That's a very good point, Sarah.  I suppose it's better than not acknowledging it at all and just going on about your merry gay-bashing way.  It just makes me sad that we're still apparently at least several decades from it no longer being socially acceptable to admit it.
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Re: From the Ridiculous to the Sublime
« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2006, 03:50:19 pm »
Speaking of "I'm not racist," I once babysat a little kid who stuck out her chest and defiantly said "I'm not racial!"

Lord, I don't remember exactly what we were talking about, but she was like a little baby poisonous snake, trying out her venom-glands on me.  If she hadn't been so dangerous, she would have been cute.

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Re: From the Ridiculous to the Sublime
« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2006, 04:40:06 pm »
That's what's so stunning about his acceptance of my answers - he's *totally* in the "But why?" stage.  He's also doing this thing where he'll ask me what something is, I'll tell him, (e.g., "What's that animal on the TV, Mommy?"  "It's a hippopotamus.") and he'll go, "No, it isn't."   :P

*shudder*

My son's standard response to anything is: "do you know why it is?"

Like, he couldn't just sit pretty with "why" like every other kid. No, no, no.. Will's gotta go with the "do you know why it is?"

eg: "Mummy, this is a dodecagon."  "Yes, Will."   *pause*.... "Do you know why it is?"  "Well, yeah, cause it's a shape that has 10 sides." *pause*  you know it's coming...  "Do you know why it is?"

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Re: From the Ridiculous to the Sublime
« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2006, 05:19:19 pm »
I'd bet you a million dollars this same guy would *never* say "You know what a racist I am."

Nor would Jay Leno (or whoever) make racist jokes on TV.

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Re: From the Ridiculous to the Sublime
« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2006, 05:47:32 pm »
Things are getting better.  A few decades ago if a black person and white person married it was scandalous.  Today nobody looks twice.   Eventually when a gay couple moves in to a neighborhood the other residents will be happy because most gay couples often fix up reglected neighborhoods.

There will always be isolated incidents of hate crimes.   It is only when people are exposed to nice gay people that they realize that there is nothing to fear.    It is when kids are raised in areas that have no gay role models that they often fall into the homophobic behavior of their parents.   

But think of how far society has come in just the past 10 years.    Thank goodness NBC aired Will & Grace.   That opened the door to the closet.      It is easy to spot the Jack McFarlands of the world, but there are alot of Will Trumans out there that are still invisable.    Maybe that is why we love Jack & Ennis so much.   They have not just broken the stereotype but broke our hearts.

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Re: From the Ridiculous to the Sublime
« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2006, 03:18:54 pm »
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Maybe that is why we love Jack & Ennis so much. They have not just broken the stereotype but broke our hearts.

Definitely, but of course, their mannerisms and personalities and undying love for one another also comes into play... Okay, this is kind of off-topic but I really, really miss Jack and Ennis right now.  :'( "I can hardly stand it..."

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We had a conversation about why Jack and Ennis were sad that went about the way your conversation did.

Wait, you mean your three-year-old knows about Brokeback Mountain? That's strangely adorable (and adorably strange). In depth, or what? Describe...
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Re: From the Ridiculous to the Sublime
« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2006, 03:32:51 pm »
Wait, you mean your three-year-old knows about Brokeback Mountain? That's strangely adorable (and adorably strange). In depth, or what? Describe...

I have a four-year-old who knows about it, too.  But y'all know those stories by now.  :)
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Re: From the Ridiculous to the Sublime
« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2006, 04:13:15 pm »
Okay, this is kind of off-topic but I really, really miss Jack and Ennis right now.  :'( "I can hardly stand it..."

I miss them, too -- and I just turned off the DVD five minutes ago!
 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

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Re: From the Ridiculous to the Sublime
« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2006, 04:16:40 pm »
I miss them, too -- and I just turned off the DVD five minutes ago!

I feel your pain, guys.  Sigh.  If loving them is wrong, I don't wanna be right.
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Re: From the Ridiculous to the Sublime
« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2006, 04:21:06 pm »
I miss them, too -- and I just turned off the DVD five minutes ago!
 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

I sympathize, but for me, Ennis and Jack, like my late mother and my late boyfriend, are with me always in my heart. All I have to do is think of them and they are with me. And I'm not jokin'.  :)
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Re: From the Ridiculous to the Sublime
« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2006, 08:55:24 am »
How sweet!  My Will knows Jack's and Ennis' names, too.  He's seen Brandon's montage on my home computer several times and asked who each was.  (He asks like this:  "What is that man's name?")  He's said that Jack is sad driving away from seeing Ennis after the divorce because "he can't be in the other man's family."  Thank goodness he's just naturally sensitive.  I don't know what I'd do if he were one of those kids with a mean streak, you know?  And I swear, even at three and four, you can tell if they're open to all the possibilities or if they're afraid of anything that seems the least little bit different.  If you have one of the latter on your hands, you've got your work cut out for you.  Looks like we both got lucky.  :)
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Re: From the Ridiculous to the Sublime
« Reply #26 on: May 26, 2006, 09:02:41 am »
How sweet!  My Will knows Jack's and Ennis' names, too.  He's seen Brandon's montage on my home computer several times and asked who each was.  (He asks like this:  "What is that man's name?")  He's said that Jack is sad driving away from seeing Ennis after the divorce because "he can't be in the other man's family."  Thank goodness he's just naturally sensitive.  I don't know what I'd do if he were one of those kids with a mean streak, you know?  And I swear, even at three and four, you can tell if they're open to all the possibilities or if they're afraid of anything that seems the least little bit different.  If you have one of the latter on your hands, you've got your work cut out for you.  Looks like we both got lucky.  :)

No not LUCKY. Great parents. There is not one parent so far on this board that doesn't have a child who is not sensitive to the plights of Jack and Ennis.

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Re: From the Ridiculous to the Sublime
« Reply #27 on: May 26, 2006, 09:56:49 am »
Well, as a word of warning about possible challenges to come, I'm going to take a huge gulp and jump in here and say that my 11-year-old son is not nearly as sensitive about Brokeback Mountain as your 3-year-old, Mel, or your 4-year-old, Barb. My son is too young to watch it, but if I put the DVD on the TV in the living room I'm pretty sure I would not have to shoo him away. And he has asked on several occasions, in a kind of squeamish tone, how straight actors could possibly kiss each other. I have explained as best I could and assured him it's not that big a deal one way or the other. He doesn't say anything worse than that, but clearly the subject makes him uncomfortable.

I have discussed my own views throughout both my sons' lives, and they know better than to say anything offensive, at least around me. A few years ago, when my younger son (now 10) was maybe seven or eight, I overheard an older kid tell him, in a horrified way, "We were in the park the other day and these gay guys showed up." And my son nonchallantly said, "So?" I was proud of him, especially because the other kid had that older-kid higher status, and I told my son later that was exactly the right answer.

But, contrary to popular belief, homophobia is not necessarily taught at home. Nor is the subject broached in school classrooms (compare this to racism, a topic covered progressively from kindergarten on). I think my older son's discomfort with Brokeback is a combination of peer pressure and developmental changes -- a couple of his 12-year-old friends have started getting girlfriends, and my son is still figuring out about sex and how this or that works and is so much on the cusp of all this stuff that an episode of The Office, as I squirmingly discovered last night, can be quite the learning experience. I'm sure he has heard jokes at school and I know he has heard them on TV -- you couldn't live in America for the past six months and not hear dozens of them -- and I guess it's natural for him to still be figuring out where his own views fit into all of this.

For a parent, it's kind of a landmine. My son is extremely bright and culturally aware but also extremely, um, independent-minded (to put it mildly). I have to find a way to share my values without coming on so strong that he rejects them out of sheer rebelliousness. So my approach is to tread lightly, not make too big a deal of things, but be clear about what I believe the right answers are.

And hopefully, as he gets older and wiser, he will agree with me.
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Re: From the Ridiculous to the Sublime
« Reply #28 on: May 26, 2006, 11:09:57 am »
That's a tough age for a boy just in general.  God, it's tough for a girl, too.  I wouldn't go back to those days myself for all the white tea in China.

I wonder, Katherine - do you think your son would have a different view of this movie at 11 had he been exposed to it at 4?  It sounds like you've raised them to be as open-minded and accepting as possible, but yet I wonder if having seen this movie when they were that young would have affected your parenting significantly even so?  You know what I mean?  I know I certainly planned to make sure my son would grow up to be the type of kid who at age 10 would say "So?" just like yours did (and Bravo to him - you're right - that is the *perfect* answer, and it shows how little he cares about what others think about his opinions that he wasn't afraid to say it to the older kid and in that context).  But I think I would have waited to approach it with him when it came up had I not seen this movie and he'd not seen the montage, you know?  And that may not have been until he was quite a bit older.

I have another friend whose son is 16.  She always described him as extremely sensitive and liberal-minded.  She saw Brokeback and loved it, bought the DVD, and the second he saw it sitting on top of the TV, he goes, "You bought the 'gay cowboy movie'?!"  She was so horrified, she said, "Absolutely.  And just for calling it that, you're going to be watching it with me on Movie Night."  He did.  And he loved it.  She says he was still a tad uncomfortable about the first tent scene, but he stayed with it, cried at the end, and now has watched it another two times, one with his girlfriend, the other alone.

Again, this brings me to my contention that mandatory viewing in high schools would be a very good idea.  (And wouldn't the Fundies just *love* that???  They'd sooner hand out condoms personally, I'd reckon.  ;))
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Re: From the Ridiculous to the Sublime
« Reply #29 on: May 26, 2006, 11:34:07 am »
They'd sooner hand out condoms personally, I'd reckon.  ;))

Are you kidding? They'd sooner hand out hypodermic needles and the phone numbers of good heroin dealers.

I would love to have my sons to watch the movie, if they were teenagers. At this age, it's a bit much -- the heterosexual scenes included. Besides, I'd be leery of having my strategy backfire. They are rebellious kids, and often get uncomfortable talking to me about sexual things in any case (unless they're SO curious about something they have no choice). (And frankly, sometimes I'm a bit uncomfortable myself -- in The Office episode last night, about sexual harassment, I tried to explain some of the shocking lines, but when the term "MILF" came up and they asked what that meant I, um, shrugged).

As for your other question, I would say that having kids be as exposed to the subject at your son's age might help. When mine were younger, my policy was to not necessarily broach the issue out of the blue, but if it came up I tried to make a point of treating it in a sort of casual, normal way. When I talked about men and women falling in love or whatever, for instance, I would try to remember to add that sometimes men fell in love with men and women with women. Though, true, now that I'm hyperaware of this topic over the past few months, I'm probably a bit more assertive about making those points than I used to be.

But the older my kids get, the more I realize that a lot of times I just have to be upfront about my own values and hope for the best. My kids are precociously rebellious (my older son has been going on 15 since he was about 4), but I think that policy really applies to all kids. You really can't control how their attitudes turn out, but you can control how you express your own, and I guess if all goes well the former will be influenced by the latter.
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« Reply #30 on: May 26, 2006, 01:01:52 pm »
Your MILF story reminds me of the time Ed and I went to see "Shrek," a mother and two young boys - maybe 6 and 7 - were sitting right in front of us.  After that scene where Shrek sees Prince Farquad's (which sounds suspiciously like fuckwad ;)) palace and says, "Do you think he's compensating for something?" and after everyone laughed, the one boy says very loudly to his Mom, "Why did all the grown-ups just laugh at that?"  She says, "I'll tell ya in about 10 years."

I think it's not so much that Will has actually seen stills of Ennis and Jack and the montage on my computer that will affect how he views homosexuality as it is that seeing this movie myself has affected the way I approach our talks about family, love, and someday not long enough from now, sex.  I think that without it, I would have said "When a man and a woman love each other very much..." whereas now I'll say, "When two people love each other very much..."  It's not about being "politically correct" (and how I hate people who bitch about that, anyway) - it's about acknowledging and teaching that there is not one right way and one wrong way to be sexually.  I've always believed this in my heart of hearts, of course, but this movie brought it to the forefront and made me passionate in that belief instead of just complacent in it.
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« Reply #31 on: May 26, 2006, 01:24:20 pm »
I've always believed this in my heart of hearts, of course, but this movie brought it to the forefront and made me passionate in that belief instead of just complacent in it.

Ditto. I've always spoken up for what I thought was right when the subject came up, but now I'm probably more proactive about it.

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« Reply #32 on: May 26, 2006, 01:31:02 pm »
Ditto. I've always spoken up for what I thought was right when the subject came up, but now I'm probably more proactive about it.

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« Reply #33 on: May 26, 2006, 01:44:12 pm »
Joke 'em if they can't take a fuck.

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I love that.

and reading the ongoing the discussion between mothers has made me feel like like today, the world is a better place than yesterday.
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« Reply #34 on: May 26, 2006, 02:15:14 pm »
Katherine and Barb, thanks for your dialogue.  All I have is cats -- very socially tolerant cats -- but these are issues I think about all the time.... in case I ever have dependents more inquisitive than cats....  I tend to count my chickens before they're hatched....

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« Reply #35 on: May 26, 2006, 03:40:11 pm »
I totally agree that it is no longer socially acceptable to say you're racist, even here in France (although, at the moment, the trend is going backwards - but more on that another time if we ever get on that topic), and a VERY good thing too! It has taken so called "minorities" enough time and suffering to win on that issue. Although i wouldn't bet the bottom of the problem has disappeared. But I also think it should give us hope that we/gays will get there one day too. We/they gotta keep up the fight.
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« Reply #36 on: May 26, 2006, 04:51:40 pm »
(Aside... you know, sometimes parenting feels like trying to reinvent the wheel while blindfolded, with one hand tied behind my back, and with 20 people shouting conflicting instructions at me. I never have any clue whether I'm doing the right thing or not, and most of the time I end up going by my instincts and hoping I don't screw up too badly.)

This is a pretty good description of it, exactly what I feel too!
A famous child psychoanalyst here once said; "Don't worry, whatever you do, you will NEVER be perfect parents, and a very good thing too!" (because one day, in order to progress and make their way towards the person they gotta be, they have to symbolically "kill" their parents - which they can't do if the parents are perfect!)
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Re: From the Ridiculous to the Sublime
« Reply #37 on: May 27, 2006, 04:42:28 pm »
(Aside... you know, sometimes parenting feels like trying to reinvent the wheel while blindfolded, with one hand tied behind my back, and with 20 people shouting conflicting instructions at me. I never have any clue whether I'm doing the right thing or not, and most of the time I end up going by my instincts and hoping I don't screw up too badly.)

What a perfect description of parenting! And Mel, sounds like you have chosen exactly the right strategy. My experience is, you do have to renivent the wheel, and you can't take off the bilndfold or untie your hand. But if you can get the 20 people to shut up -- or at least learn to ignore them -- you're doing well.
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« Reply #38 on: May 27, 2006, 06:43:39 pm »
But if you can get the 20 people to shut up -- or at least learn to ignore them -- you're doing well.

Yeah, I'm still working on that bit.  But I'm nearly there!  (At least on the ignoring part.)
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« Reply #39 on: May 27, 2006, 07:16:30 pm »
ERxcept for Bob, who for some reason loves me, everyone I know, collegues, friends, relatives--thery all know that whatever I'[m talking about "The Da Vinci Code, Portrait ofr thr Artist as a Young Man, a quilting pattern, "Crash,"--they know I am really talking about brokeback Mountaiun. Every last one of them...my daughter isn't speaking to me anymore. My sonis more tolerant. he's a mocvie cdritidc, and 36 years old. he wonders how long this illness is going to last.

 
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« Reply #40 on: May 28, 2006, 07:08:07 am »
ERxcept for Bob, who for some reason loves me, everyone I know, collegues, friends, relatives--thery all know that whatever I'[m talking about "The Da Vinci Code, Portrait ofr thr Artist as a Young Man, a quilting pattern, "Crash,"--they know I am really talking about brokeback Mountaiun. Every last one of them...my daughter isn't speaking to me anymore. My sonis more tolerant. he's a mocvie cdritidc, and 36 years old. he wonders how long this illness is going to last.

I know what you mean, Julie.  Perhaps that's why I get the inevitable comparison when I ask people what they thought of any other recent movie or book.  My husband is the only one who seems to know that while BbM is always in my subtext, I really ask about those movies in a feeble effort to branch out into other conversation.  So he helps me out and doesn't mention it.  He's always been good at denial.  ;)

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« Reply #41 on: May 28, 2006, 07:20:52 am »
Well,  I had dinner with a few friends last night and two of them just saw BBM for the first time. 

Their reactions?   One, the more serious of the two guys, said he was disappointed.  Said the first half of the movie was too slow and that the first tent scene was too violent.   His partner gave him a dirty look then looked at me and said that he thought it was a beautiful movie!   LOL     

I'm still shocked when people say it was slow in the first half.   I told him that perhaps because he waited to see it on DVD that he wasn't getting the full enjoyment of the panoramic scenery.     Can't please them all I guess.   Well, he is off my Christmas card list!     LOL  <just kidding> 

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« Reply #42 on: May 28, 2006, 08:55:34 am »
Well,  I had dinner with a few friends last night and two of them just saw BBM for the first time. 

Their reactions?   One, the more serious of the two guys, said he was disappointed.  Said the first half of the movie was too slow and that the first tent scene was too violent.   His partner gave him a dirty look then looked at me and said that he thought it was a beautiful movie!   LOL     

I'm still shocked when people say it was slow in the first half.   I told him that perhaps because he waited to see it on DVD that he wasn't getting the full enjoyment of the panoramic scenery.     Can't please them all I guess.   Well, he is off my Christmas card list!     LOL  <just kidding> 

LOL.  Remember way back when, when I said I saw it for the second time and realized that sitting next to me was someone I recognized vaguely from my travels and his partner whom I'd never seen before?  At the end of the movie, I was weeping uncontrollably, and his partner put his hand on my shoulder and said, "Are you gonna be all right, sweetie?"  It was their first time, too, judging from his reactions to realizing Jack was dead and how he died, and I had noticed he cried during most of the last act as well.

I came to find out from a mutual friend that the guy we both knew thought it was "a little slow" but also that his partner was mad at him because he thought it was beautiful and he couldn't stop thinking/talking about it and was irritated that he didn't share the sentiment.
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Re: From the Ridiculous to the Sublime
« Reply #43 on: May 29, 2006, 12:07:30 am »
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At the end of the movie, I was weeping uncontrollably, and his partner put his hand on my shoulder and said, "Are you gonna be all right, sweetie?"

Lucky. What did I get in my 5 theatre viewings? Nosy theatre employees cleaning the damn floors while I'm trying to soak up "The Maker Makes."  >:(

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His partner gave him a dirty look then looked at me and said that he thought it was a beautiful movie!

The 'dirty look' part sounds just like me... and then some. I get very argumental about this movie.

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Sigh.  They're onto me.

Hell, I wish they knew what I was talking about! My family members couldn't care any less; they just ignore my Brokeback love -- not to mention they truly underestimate it.

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I miss them, too -- and I just turned off the DVD five minutes ago!

I am just glad to know I'm not alone. I always miss them! I wish I could be like Jeff Wrangler and I quote:

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I sympathize, but for me, Ennis and Jack, like my late mother and my late boyfriend, are with me always in my heart. All I have to do is think of them and they are with me. And I'm not jokin'.

You see, I believe I carry Ennis and Jack in my heart seeing as how I love them like they're my children. But, you know what, sometimes knowing that is still not enough for me. I'm kind of insatiable; I want more Jack and Ennis!


It's cool that you guys are trying to raise open-minded and accepting kids. Okay, I've commented on this before but I'll briefly say it again. I go to high school and seeing Brokeback Mountain in school -- well, first off, I haven't seen one TV in my cheap-ass school that could do the beautiful visuals justice -- would be awkward because of all the damn homophobes who'd be freaking out and pissing me off throughout the entire, hypothetical viewing. And then the kids who wouldn't like it, then praise something that sucks (say, Laguna Beach, perhaps) would be on my Hit List, which is longer than my arm...

I'm hypocritical because when I hear about someone my age watching Brokeback Mountain, I think, "Oh, God, you don't deserve this movie" (unless I know them personally and approve).

If I had a child who was a homophobe, I think I'd beat the kid.  ;)



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Re: From the Ridiculous to the Sublime
« Reply #44 on: May 30, 2006, 12:47:43 am »
Their reactions?   One, the more serious of the two guys, said he was disappointed.  Said the first half of the movie was too slow and that the first tent scene was too violent...Well, he is off my Christmas card list!     LOL  <just kidding> 

If I were you, I'd try to cut the guy some slack here, at least for a little while.  I only say this because I also thought the first tent scene was too violent after my first viewing.  I think it was 2-3 viewings before I fully came to appreciate all the subtleties in the first part of the movie.  And even now, I often see things that didn't strike me in earlier viewings but I found meaning in later.  There is definitely too much for your average human to absorb in only 2.5 hours.  I never had the 'too slow' reaction, myself, though.  I always thought I was getting the opportunity to visit with these wonderful characters and relished every single second of that gift to time.  But I can see how someone could think that if they weren't attuned to the subtle details we've analysed for so long.

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« Reply #45 on: May 30, 2006, 08:35:55 am »
I'm still  :laugh: at Buffy's "Hit List."  I say something like that too:  "That's it.  She's on The List."  In my thinking, it's a black list.

I understand what you're saying, Lynne - I understand finding the first tent scene abrupt on one's first viewing.  I didn't, but maybe that's because I've experienced something very much like it (though it was against the inside of a door in someone's house and not in a tent in the mountains  ;)).

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« Reply #46 on: May 30, 2006, 09:19:03 am »
We are such an impatient society. I'll even admit that I can be pretty impatient myself at times. But as for the "the first part is too slow" folks--well, I wouldn't care if that part of the film went on twice as long as it does. It's such a beautiful idyll, two handsome young guys all alone in the wilderness, falling in love at the top of the world. Sigh. ...
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« Reply #47 on: May 30, 2006, 09:24:37 am »
We are such an impatient society. I'll even admit that I can be pretty impatient myself at times. But as for the "the first part is too slow" folks--well, I wouldn't care if that part of the film went on twice as long as it does. It's such a beautiful idyll, two handsome young guys all alone in the wilderness, falling in love at the top of the world. Sigh. ...

So true.  When people say that to me now, I say "Really?  It goes by *way* too quickly for my liking."
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Re: From the Ridiculous to the Sublime
« Reply #48 on: May 30, 2006, 09:40:30 am »
So true.  When people say that to me now, I say "Really?  It goes by *way* too quickly for my liking."

It's hard to imagine a length I would consider "too long." Four or five days? Nah ...

As I said once on another thread, if Ang Lee and a camera crew had followed Ennis and Jack around for every moment they spent together over 20 years, I would buy that 100-disc DVD in a heartbeat.

Tell you what, though, lately when I watch it I always think it seems way too short and quick. I think, what, they already have long sideburns? What, the post-divorce scene already? Twenty years in 134 minutes seems to fly past.

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« Reply #49 on: May 30, 2006, 11:22:24 am »

Tell you what, though, lately when I watch it I always think it seems way too short and quick. I think, what, they already have long sideburns? What, the post-divorce scene already? Twenty years in 134 minutes seems to fly past.


Same here! I think it might be because I want to know more, see more, of them together especially!
No, it really isn't too slow at all. And then you get people wondering how they could "get down to business" SO early on, they don't see it coming. But they are the same who say it was too long/slow!
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« Reply #50 on: May 30, 2006, 12:00:59 pm »
And then you get people wondering how they could "get down to business" SO early on, they don't see it coming. But they are the same who say it was too long/slow!

Great point, Isabelle! They think it's too quick AND too slow. Not enough happens and (in that one scene, anyway) too much happens!

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Re: From the Ridiculous to the Sublime
« Reply #51 on: May 30, 2006, 01:16:45 pm »
I understand what you're saying, Lynne - I understand finding the first tent scene abrupt on one's first viewing.  I didn't, but maybe that's because I've experienced something very much like it (though it was against the inside of a door in someone's house and not in a tent in the mountains  ;)).

Now I'm jealous...maybe one day  ;)

Tell you what, though, lately when I watch it I always think it seems way too short and quick. I think, what, they already have long sideburns? What, the post-divorce scene already? Twenty years in 134 minutes seems to fly past.

No scene makes a bigger impression on me about the passage of time than Ennis spooning Jack in the tent during the night after the 'Sometimes I miss you so much...' conversation.  I just want to freeze it right there....rips my heart out every single time.



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« Reply #52 on: May 30, 2006, 01:49:33 pm »
I have a four-year-old who knows about it, too.  But y'all know those stories by now.  :)

My three year old knows the story of Jack and Ennis too: They love each other so much, and have so much fun together, and are so sad when they can't be together.  She has heard the (enhanced) soundtrack a bazillion times in the car (I have added songs like "Streets of Laredo," "Sweet Melissa," "Quizas, Quizas, Quizas," and she can sing along with all of them.  She also loves "I Will Never Let You Go," and knows that the sad-sounding songs are for when Ennis and Jack are sad, that the pretty instrumentals are mostly from the happy time on the mountain."  Today she told me that she once had a baby named "Mountain."



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« Reply #53 on: May 30, 2006, 01:54:27 pm »
Well, he hasn't watched it.

But he's seen stills of Jack and Ennis -- he sits on my lap when I read computer messages, so he's seen plenty of avatars. ;D And he looks at the pictures on the liner notes to CDs, and always asks who everyone is. So he's been able to recognize Jack and Ennis for a long time. (And he's seen pictures of the dozy embrace plenty of times.)

And I admit to smirking a bit when he yelled: "Mommy! Look! There's Jack! There's Ennis!" in front of the Wal-mart DVD display

These are all our experience too.  I used to tell the story to Miranda as if Ennis and Jack were real, and I have adjusted that to they are in a story, because I started having conscience pricks when I would be heading out to see the movie and she would ask me about going to see Jack and Ennis.


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« Reply #54 on: May 30, 2006, 01:54:49 pm »
Clarissa,
When my sister was your daughter's age, she had an imaginary friend named "City Hall."

Oh why oh why do we lose our baby ideas along with our baby fat?
(My sister's other imaginary friends were Bobby, Broblin, Ountkin and Gaunty.)

Perhaps they and Mountain are all romping in imaginary baby heaven.

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« Reply #55 on: May 30, 2006, 01:57:40 pm »
What great parents you all are, Barb, Sheyne,Vic, Anke, Chris, to name just a few.. (apologies to those obvious ones I've missed!)

Me!  :)  But I hadn't joined this conversation yet.

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« Reply #56 on: May 30, 2006, 01:58:54 pm »
My imaginary friends' names were Silly and Peepee, and they lived in the cabinet that was built into our stove (where we kept all the pots and pans).  They were both girls.  Silly was blonde and Peepee was brunette.
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« Reply #57 on: May 30, 2006, 02:02:14 pm »
I guess my only imaginary friends were Jesus and Superman.  I got confused about who was who.... They/he hovered near the ceiling in the corner of my bedroom.

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« Reply #58 on: May 30, 2006, 02:27:38 pm »
I think that without it, I would have said "When a man and a woman love each other very much..." whereas now I'll say, "When two people love each other very much..." 

Sorry to be coming from so far behind in this wonderful conversation -

I also do this, and we are lucky because Miranda has models in her life of various families - her friend Cristina lives with her two moms (one gave birth to her, one adopted her) (or did until they just broke up, sigh), Danielle lives with her (adoptive) mom and doesn't have a dad, Chantelle lives with her Aunt Bonnie, Darcy lives with her dad and stepmother and sees her mom a couple of times a month.  

Miranda herself grew inside Tanya.  Papa and I were at her birth, and she is our daughter.  So from the beginning of her life I've been saying "When a baby grows inside a woman...," rather than "inside her mommy," because Miranda herself didn't grow inside me.

My main goal is to normalize, normalize.  She doesn't know that any of those varieties of families are unusual (and in fact, they're not).  And as to ethnicity and people looking different than her, I haven't brought it up at all, curious when she will.  So far, she has never mentioned her various friends' and classmates' varieties of skin or hair color.  

She does love to talk about wheeelchairs, walkers, canes.  That's the only physical attribute she has commented on so far.  And I thank God that the first person in a wheelchair she (suddenly) asked directly, "Why are you in that wheelchair?" was a kind, understanding woman who told her that her legs got sick and stopped working.  It's tricky to know how much to teach her to censor herself - I love her sincerity.  The one day I was truly embarrassed was when Miranda was talking to a woman who was quite old, and suddenly said in a very friendly, fascinated way, "You have fur on your face."  The woman looked puzzled, I said a quick goodbye and took Miranda outside, and agreed that that woman did indeed have hair on her face that looked like fur, but that it's nicer not to tell the woman about it.  I don't think I did a good job.  Because actually, a lot of women would actually have a lot more hair showing if they didn't remove it.  This parenting thing, I love it, and it's occasionally tricky.

BTW - What is MILF (I am nearly 47, am I old enought to know)?

Some of Miranda's imagginary friends and personae  - Baby Griffin, VahVah, Bingo, Big Girl Montana, The Big Sister, Bahm Bahm, JoJo, and my personally favorite name, Hallelujah (which comes from the fact that she LOVES the version of "Battle Hymn of the Republic (Glory, Glory, Hallelujah)" that I added to my version of the BBM soundtrack, because the band plays it at the Fourth of July event that Ennis and family go to).

Sarah - there is a well-known (in adoption circles) article about talking to a child about their adoption with a title I love:  "Moses, Jesus, Superman, and Me."


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« Reply #59 on: May 30, 2006, 02:29:49 pm »
Katherine and Barb, thanks for your dialogue.  All I have is cats -- very socially tolerant cats -- but these are issues I think about all the time.... in case I ever have dependents more inquisitive than cats....  I tend to count my chickens before they're hatched....

Sarah, if you can raise your cats to be socially accepting of those chickens, you have truly mastered the art of excellent parenting!  :)

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« Reply #60 on: May 30, 2006, 02:33:22 pm »
(Heck, I don't know if our discussions about wearing seatbelts will make a difference, and I've got the state government on my side for that one!)
Oy, the seatbelt conversations/wrangling.  "For safety.  Because it's the law."  Sometimes I do feel sorry for kids these days, never to know the joys of lying upside down in the backseat.

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« Reply #61 on: May 30, 2006, 02:53:28 pm »
Clarissa, MILF stands for Mothers I'd Like to F... .   ::)

Will hadn't asked me anything about anyone's ethnicity (and we live in a fairly ethnically and racially diverse area, luckily) UNTIL YESTERDAY.  Sigh.  I knew the day was coming.  We were leaving my gym, which is for women only and which has a lovely day care area (called the Fun Center) for our kids.  A young woman was walking out as well, and she was wearing the full-length scarves and coverup of - my apologies if this is ignorant - the Muslim faith (?).  He goes, of course right in front of her, "Why is that girl wearing that cover on her head?"  I scrambled for something to say and only came up with, "Because it's something she likes to wear."  She smiled approvingly at me, so hopefully I didn't screw up too badly.  And he answered with his customary "Oh" which signals the end of the interview.

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Re: From the Ridiculous to the Sublime
« Reply #62 on: May 30, 2006, 03:04:29 pm »
Wow, Clarissa -- that's the most you've spoke in two weeks! Nice to see you here, and thanks for sharing about Miranda.

Here's how my teachable moment about mentioning strangers' physical attributes came up: my son, then 2, said, very loudly, in Target, in regard to a man standing two feet away: "Mom, look how fat that guy is!"

We hadn't yet discussed the topic of discussing others in public, but this greatly increased my sense of urgency.

As for MILF, no, you're not old enough either but I'll tell you anyway. (I only fairly recently heard it myself.) It stands for Mom I'd Like to F*ck. We're learning the definition just in time; according to an item on Salon last week, there's a new line of baby's clothes that say "My mom is a MILF." How charming.  :-\

BTW, when I first heard the term I looked it up on www.urbandictionary.com. For anybody not already familiar with it, it's an invaluable source for finding definitions of slang words, particularly ones you might not want to ask a librarian for.
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« Reply #63 on: May 30, 2006, 03:14:14 pm »
On lying upside-down in the backseat...
One of the cars my parents had till I was about 9 was a 196...6?  Beetle with a rusted-out floor -- there was actually a big square hole in the floor, about a foot by a foot, behind the driver's seat.  My sister and I used to dare each other to touch the pavement when the car was stopped at a red light.  That's just nuts.  My dad should have been locked up.

But I did enjoy sprawling on the backseat of cars with healthy floors.

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« Reply #64 on: May 30, 2006, 03:34:31 pm »
You are courageous to be out there with your love of the movie!!

I've hardly read the rest of this thread (cause I'm a delinquent brokie these days)...but this just strikes me as so sad, even though I relate because I am still shy at times to wear my shirts or talk about the movie to others. But in 2006 for us to be shy or afraid about proclaiming our love for this movie, any movie, shows how far we have to go in giving Jack and Ennis a good life together. Goddammit.



I'll be catching up more I hope, later this week. Re: the post from Sarah immediately above this one, LOL! Here's my version--in the mid-1970's when I was 4 or 5, not only did my mom not make us wear seat belts, but she even built a wooden stand with two small, blue plastic chairs nailed down for my brother and I to sit in when we were in the back seat so we could see out the window! I'm sure it dramatically decreased any safety we might have had back there. Kinda crazy to think of it now, but things were sure different back then. I used to also stand up on the floor of the back seat all the time and then yell at my dad for making me fall down when we went around a curve or braked too fast. "Don't fall me down, daddy!" was my line. Hehehe.
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« Reply #65 on: May 30, 2006, 05:15:00 pm »
Wow, Clarissa -- that's the most you've spoke in two weeks! Nice to see you here, and thanks for sharing about Miranda.

Here's how my teachable moment about mentioning strangers' physical attributes came up: my son, then 2, said, very loudly, in Target, in regard to a man standing two feet away: "Mom, look how fat that guy is!"

Barb and Katherine - Re MILF - Hunh.  I guess maybe that signals something positive for single mothers hoping for a relationship?  Nahhh.  I'm trying to find a good spin on it - or at least one that makes sense.

My own mother tells the story about me at about 3 when we were in an elevator and I said, "Mommy, look at that lady's dirty coat."  Then a few years later I militantly weaned myself off the word 'lady.'

Re the most I spoke in two weeks.  That put the biggest smile on my face in two weeks.

(Barb, two weeks from today....we'll be in sunny(?) California.)


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Re: From the Ridiculous to the Sublime
« Reply #66 on: May 30, 2006, 05:28:52 pm »
Barb and Katherine - Re MILF - Hunh.  I guess maybe that signals something positive for single mothers hoping for a relationship?  Nahhh.  I'm trying to find a good spin on it - or at least one that makes sense.

Well, the positive spin I've found for it is that at least moms can be considered hot now -- and porn spam I've gotten in recent years confirms this -- instead of just frumpy and self-sacrificing.

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Re: From the Ridiculous to the Sublime
« Reply #67 on: May 30, 2006, 05:30:49 pm »
My mum still tells the story of when I was three and with my family walking down this kinda clifftop pathway.. a very Glaswegian woman on her way up said

"Watch yer-sel Hen, it's awfy slippy" (For those that need translation. "Watch little girl, its slippy down there.. don't fall!)

To which I replied in a loud innocent voice which made my family have to muffle their laughs..

"I'm not a hen. I don't lay eggs."
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« Reply #68 on: May 30, 2006, 07:22:22 pm »
I love the word 'Glaswegian.'  I wish the chat room had sound.  :)

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« Reply #69 on: May 30, 2006, 09:29:59 pm »
Oh Clarissa and Barb,
I hope you guys have a wonderful time but I feel a little like Alma at the door, with my purse on my shoulder, watching y'all hop in your truck together.

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« Reply #70 on: May 30, 2006, 09:41:54 pm »
Oh Clarissa and Barb,
I hope you guys have a wonderful time but I feel a little like Alma at the door, with my purse on my shoulder, watching y'all hop in your truck together.

 :(

Tell ya what.  I'll buy you a pack a smokes and be home early.  OK, honey?
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« Reply #71 on: May 30, 2006, 11:24:39 pm »
Henrypie,

doesn't it make you feel like the Aero was years ago? I sure feel that way, and I wasn't even there!

hmmmm....time is strange.
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« Reply #72 on: May 31, 2006, 01:29:25 am »
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doesn't it make you feel like the Aero was years ago?

I still wish I could have made it to that.

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I'm still  :laugh: at Buffy's "Hit List."  I say something like that too:  "That's it.  She's on The List."  In my thinking, it's a black list.

Why, thank you!  ;D

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No scene makes a bigger impression on me about the passage of time than Ennis spooning Jack in the tent during the night after the 'Sometimes I miss you so much...' conversation.  I just want to freeze it right there....rips my heart out every single time.

That scene is soooo wonderful and so touching. I know what you mean though; I really, really, really love that shot with all my heart!

This triggered something in my mind: Brokeback Mountain, to me, speaks volumes on how time escapes from us. Obvious, I know, what with unforgettable lines like "There ain't never enough time, never enough..." (I hope I got that right). But when I really start to feel the times changing in the movie is when Ennis pulls up in his truck on Brokeback on one of their camping trips. It's when Jack smiles at him and Ennis brings Better Most beans (but we don't actually get to see the beans; we just see this event from a distance).

Something about that scene really demonstrates, to me, the change taking place. And it kills me. Later on, as Gustavo's excellent "Riding Horses" plays when we see Jack and Ennis when peacefully riding around Brokeback Mountain carries a similar effect.

I still feel devastated for them and there's nothing I can do to save them now.  :'(

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« Reply #73 on: May 31, 2006, 02:46:23 am »
 
Tell ya what.  I'll buy you a pack a smokes and be home early.  OK, honey?

That's beautiful, Barb.  Oh H-pie, I would so love for you to come.  This time I have my own room.  It won't be the same.  Who's going to rattle paper in my face to make me stop snoring?  (People find that a very endearing story about you, H-pie.  Or maybe about us?)

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« Reply #74 on: May 31, 2006, 03:27:29 am »
I love the word 'Glaswegian.'  I wish the chat room had sound.  :)

hehheheh!

I think that chat room should also have a little scottish flag.. the Union Jack just will not do!!
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« Reply #75 on: May 31, 2006, 03:38:23 am »
Kelda, I'm going to ask Phillip if that's possible.

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« Reply #76 on: May 31, 2006, 03:58:44 am »
Kelda, I'm going to ask Phillip if that's possible.

awww thanks Elle!  ;D But I feel bad you doing that just for me!!
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« Reply #77 on: May 31, 2006, 04:26:38 am »
Kelda, it wouldn't be just for you - I'd love to see a Scottish flag there too!
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« Reply #78 on: May 31, 2006, 04:55:25 am »
awww thanks Elle!  ;D But I feel bad you doing that just for me!!

Moderators are here to serve.  Happy to try.  Besides, if you got my PM, you know I'm asking you to do some of the work by sending me a jpg of the Scottish flag. :)
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