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Re: Atheists: Come out, come out, wherever you are
« Reply #150 on: May 24, 2010, 01:50:55 pm »
dirtbiker - theocracy is NOT going to happen in America.  IF it was ever likely to happen it would have been when those fundamentalist nutcases, the Pilgrims, my ancestors, landed at Plymouth, because they had the advantage of being the first ones to stake out territory.  It is way too late - and separation of Church and State are enshrined in our Constitution, as much as the Sarah Palin's of the world are trying to repeal it.
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Re: Atheists: Come out, come out, wherever you are
« Reply #151 on: May 24, 2010, 02:06:59 pm »
Richard Dawkin's God Delusion! 
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Re: Atheists: Come out, come out, wherever you are
« Reply #152 on: May 24, 2010, 02:35:35 pm »
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<Then whence cometh evil?>  That is obvious.  Through our willful actions that are destructive to others.

I would add our inaction to this as well.

I don't believe in organized religions devised by humankind - there's sometimes too much hypocrisy and they are sometimes too self-serving for me.   The basic tenets of them are good - but they get twisted around until they only serve humankind's need for power, and are suceptible to human corruption.  And - surprise! - they place humankind in some kind of self-proclaimed dominion of the Earth.   Negative messages such as these, reinforced over the centuries by religions, are tough to change.  I do believe in a higher power though, God, a Creator, something higher than ourselves.   When I look around at the natural world, I just feel there must be something higher than ourselves, something with a deeper meaning.  Atheism has always struck me as just one more example of mankind's arrogance and self-importance.

I was raised as a Protestant; and have always had a curiosity regarding spirituality.   Over the years, my beliefs incorporate Buddhist, Hindu and Native American and Celtic, as well, and I don't discount some of the basic, loving tenets of most.  When they get twisted into hateful beliefs is where I draw the line.   I think my personal beliefs are as valid as any.
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Re: Atheists: Come out, come out, wherever you are
« Reply #153 on: May 24, 2010, 06:52:10 pm »
dirtbiker - theocracy is NOT going to happen in America.  IF it was ever likely to happen it would have been when those fundamentalist nutcases, the Pilgrims, my ancestors, landed at Plymouth, because they had the advantage of being the first ones to stake out territory.  It is way too late - and separation of Church and State are enshrined in our Constitution, as much as the Sarah Palin's of the world are trying to repeal it.

Well never say never.  Apathy could lead to unpleasant changes!

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Re: Atheists: Come out, come out, wherever you are
« Reply #154 on: May 24, 2010, 07:38:23 pm »
Yes, it could happen. Look at Iran.

I do actually care about this, I strongly support separation of church and state, what I don't care about is weather or not there is a here after. I do think that religion, including divinity in all its forms is a human creation, and as such, somewhat of a self fulfilling prophecy. Could Armageddon happen? Sure, if some one in the right place and the right time thought it was their duty to make it happen.
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Re: Atheists: Come out, come out, wherever you are
« Reply #155 on: May 24, 2010, 08:49:59 pm »
Alls I can say is wow!
Kinda sad.  :-\
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Re: Atheists: Come out, come out, wherever you are
« Reply #156 on: May 24, 2010, 10:53:14 pm »
Yes, it could happen. Look at Iran.

I do actually care about this, I strongly support separation of church and state, what I don't care about is weather or not there is a here after. I do think that religion, including divinity in all its forms is a human creation, and as such, somewhat of a self fulfilling prophecy.

I very much agree with this perspective.  The fact that the U.S. constitution is so much a product of Enlightenment era philosophy makes me think that this understanding of religion as human-made (something right out of Voltaire among others) might have a lot to do with the separation of church and state that we thankfully have now.

And, I agree that principles like that need to be guarded.

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Re: Atheists: Come out, come out, wherever you are
« Reply #157 on: May 25, 2010, 03:49:58 am »
It´s interesting to see the different kinds of replies that a little thread on atheism creates.

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Re: Atheists: Come out, come out, wherever you are
« Reply #158 on: May 25, 2010, 08:34:30 am »
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The fact that the U.S. constitution is so much a product of Enlightenment era philosophy makes me think that this understanding of religion as human-made (something right out of Voltaire among others) might have a lot to do with the separation of church and state that we thankfully have now.

I agree.  I am always amazed by the foresight of the founders of our US Constitution.   Not only does it provide for people to believe how they wish, but also to keep religion out of government.   :)
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Re: Atheists: Come out, come out, wherever you are
« Reply #159 on: May 25, 2010, 09:23:13 am »
I am glad that state and religion are as part as possible.  :)