Why are the poor, poor?

[HerrKaiser]

This analogy does not seem to have any parallel in the real world.

  Of course it does. Many of broketrash's lists of ideas on how to help end poverty are exemlory of such. Rather than only providing the 'answers' or the end result, folks need to be encouraged to be responsible for their own outcomes.

[HerrKaiser]

This is a non-sequitur.

  How so? what are you suggesting does not follow?

[Artiste]

If majority of persons were responsable in the USA, Canada and other free countries, then would they have purchased Toyota cars, as a big item, and too many Made in China crap ??

Too many are lazy and not enough responsable, is that what make them so poor ? And the rich warlords richer, because they know that if they have their products Made in China, most stupid persons would purchase them ?

Who will pay for such irresponsable persons calling themselves citizens of the Free world, which is becoming 3rd World countries ??

Au revoir,
hugs!

[serious crayons]

  Of course it does. Many of broketrash's lists of ideas on how to help end poverty are exemlory of such. Rather than only providing the 'answers' or the end result, folks need to be encouraged to be responsible for their own outcomes.

Sure. But your stereotyping and oversimplifying of anti-poverty programs keeps you from seeing that many of them already do just that.

Let's take one example from LBJ's War on Poverty programs: Head Start. Head Start does just about exactly what you pretend conservatives do -- it takes little pre-school Johnnys and prepares them to perform better when they get to regular school. It has achieved well-documented, widely acknowledged, extensively researched success. Eliminating Head Start, to return to your analogy, would leave all those pre-school Johnnys out "playing" -- or dodging bullets in their housing projects.

[HerrKaiser]

It's a typical conservative gross oversimplification. Suppose Johnny is "struggling" because he has a learning disability?

Sometimes, a bit of simplifcation is a good thing to cut through the briar patch created by government/social bureaucrasies that only feed on their own cyclical need for more bureaucrasy.

That said, the learning disability 'what if' is, imo, typical lefist nay-saying and constant desire to be paralyzed by indecision or joining a positive movement forward. I guess you could have said 'what if there is no library close by, what if it was closed when they got there, what if the computers were down....'  And that helps make my point about the left's focus on giving rather than helping people acheive.

  As I mentioned earlier, the left is always searching for the hammock rather than the safety net.

[Artiste]

Merci seriouscrayons !

You say:
Eliminating Head Start, to return to your analogy, would leave all those pre-school Johnnys out "playing" -- or dodging bullets in their housing projects.
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Seriouscrayons and to others too:

Why are our children dodging bullets in their neighbourhood and at school ??

If we had real governments enforcing the laws with enough good cops and judges, instead of so-called cops and so-called judges for the criminals and their lawyers, then we woudl have a society !!

But were are the real men and women to do this ??

Any left, besides me ??

Au revoir, hugs!

[HerrKaiser]

Then what does the conservative do? Probably abandons him in the library to fail.

Seems you did not read my post or understand it. Conservatives GOAL is to have indivuduals succeed, not fail. Success means less drain on public resources. For some reason, there is resistance among liberals to accept that a foundation of conservatism is personal acheivement and success.

Leftist philospophy is an abandonement philosophy in large part, imo. What happened to the thousands of people the liberals dumped into public housing? They just left them there to fail. That is one example among many. The fall of communism and far left socialism was due on large part because of the vast majority of human potential was unused and squandered due to eliminating the need/desire to pull ones' own strings.

[Artiste]

HerrKaiser: you saying: The fall of communism and far left socialism was due on large part because of the vast majority of human potential was unused and squandered due to eliminating the need/desire to pull ones' own strings.   
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HerrKaiser; that is not nescessarily so. That is a myth! Many things were better.
The fall was because murderers took over. Know your Russian history: remember that the Parliament in Russia was bombed and the dictator took over, and it has dictators ever since !! So, what is worst ?
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And, I do agree with your conservative definition:      Conservatives GOAL is to have indivuduals succeed, not fail. Success means less drain on public resources.     
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But con artists use that to disguise themselves, just like when they like to be called liberals !!

WE need better system: jobs for all, and not just for criminals selling dope, and Toyotas, and Made In China crap !!

What do you think ?

Au revoir,
hugs!

[Artiste]

The poor are poor, because cirminals control them !!

Too many to sell dope, like it or not !!

Sell it or be dead !!

But too many persons are ignorant of that, or place a blind eye to that !!

Au revoir,
hugs!

[HerrKaiser]

Sure. But your stereotyping and oversimplifying of anti-poverty programs keeps you from seeing that many of them already do just that.

Look, it is quite, imo, disingenuous to claim 'stereotyping' and 'oversimpliying' when discussing a strategic movement forward to help solve the issues of non productivity and drains on the social system. I find it counterproductive to stall or roadblock strategies because they may not, in an overall sense, address every possible variant.

In claiming 'stereotyping' you would seemingly deny good pharmaceuticals from being on the market because they "stereotype' results among the largest populations of symptoms/results when, in fact, some people could die from usage or missuse.

'Stereotyping' is negative buzz word that should more often than not be replaced with 'target audience'.