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Re: I know we've talked about this before, but
« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2008, 10:30:45 pm »
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Re: I know we've talked about this before, but
« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2008, 11:54:27 pm »
A couple of things I have noticed since moving here, is there is no cross checking.If I went to see a specialist In England, he would write to my family doctor to advise him of my treatment and any meds. he was going to prescribe.The family doctor then knows exactly what I am on.So I saw an orthopaedic specialist for shoulder and back problems,  saw a gynaecologist and also, a gastroenterologist.I know I sound like a wreck.!!!!
Some of the arthritis meds gave me gastric probs etc etc.
The point  is my family doctor had copies  from all the specialists involved so it is like a double check system.
Here I could go from one walk-in clinic to another, one specialist to another,collecting meds as I went.There is no cross referencing. Even back in England I still double checked myself,dose, half life interactions etc.
To further confuse the issue, some of the drugs have different names here and in England,so acetaminophen is paracetamol in England.

The whole system here needs to be more tightly controlled.I  am surprised there are not more overdoses. Just today, I went to see my family doctor for some more pain meds.He asked me if I needed any more Valium.I could easily have said yes.I told him no as the psychiatrist had prescribed it for me and I was actually in the process of reducing down the dose.
In England that could not happen, as the psychiatrist would have informed the family doctor what he was prescribing. So no chance of doubling up.

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Re: I know we've talked about this before, but
« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2008, 12:12:50 am »
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To further confuse the issue, some of the drugs have different names here and in England,so acetaminophen is paracetamol in England.

Oh, my gosh...  When I read that, the "why" bell in my mind just went DingDingDing!  Plus the fact he'd just flown in from overseas, where he may have taken different meds that could have stayed in his system through 1/22. 

That makes so much sense. 


(I don't imagine we'll ever know for sure, but those insights seem very logical to me.)

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Re: I know we've talked about this before, but
« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2008, 10:13:12 am »
Oh, my gosh...  When I read that, the "why" bell in my mind just went DingDingDing!  Plus the fact he'd just flown in from overseas, where he may have taken different meds that could have stayed in his system through 1/22. 

That makes so much sense. 


(I don't imagine we'll ever know for sure, but those insights seem very logical to me.)

The paracetamol/acetominophen  one is really dangerous. It does not take many to kill you, in fact as few as 12. It is a horrible death as well.However I digress, I could easily have been taking both for eg a bad head ache not knowing it was the same drug.
That whole thing needs looking at. So many Brits and europeans come to Florida in the summer for Disney etc. Even our family doctor here, who I like, did not know, of the different names thing.
The other point is, if you are allergic to one medicine, which is called by a different name,what then ??????
I am very allergic to Voltarol called Cataflam here. It is an anti inflamatory.
In many cases even the generic names are different never mind all the drug companies different names for the same thing.
Actually the more I think about it, the more I think something needs to be done at a much higher level.
Also as said Patients here, as in England should have one main family physician who knows all the meds from all the different specialists people migt be seeing. That shoule be a fundamental requirement before prescribing anything.

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Re: I know we've talked about this before, but
« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2008, 11:42:43 am »
actually acetaminophen is the compound name.  Paracetamol is a brand name, and is the equivalent to Tylenol, which is the most common brand name for acetaminophen in the USA.  In addition, Paracetamol gets compounded with codeine to produce other Paracetamol brands, just as they compound it with codeine in the US to produce Tylenol 3, which is acetaminophen with 8 grams of codeine.
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Re: I know we've talked about this before, but
« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2008, 01:29:27 pm »
actually acetaminophen is the compound name.  Paracetamol is a brand name, and is the equivalent to Tylenol, which is the most common brand name for acetaminophen in the USA.  In addition, Paracetamol gets compounded with codeine to produce other Paracetamol brands, just as they compound it with codeine in the US to produce Tylenol 3, which is acetaminophen with 8 grams of codeine.

Louise....not 8 grams.

One Tylenol 3 tablet has 300 mg acetaminophen, 15 mg caffeine, and 30 mg codeine phosphate.

30 mg codeine = 0.03 gms (grams)

Even if you are thinking of the old-fashioned measurement system of grains, 30 mg is equal to 0.5 (1/2) grain. No where near 8.

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Re: I know we've talked about this before, but
« Reply #26 on: July 24, 2008, 10:38:39 pm »
Tell you what.  The sister of one of my coworkers swallowed a bunch of pills about 10 years ago - sedatives, painkillers (she'd been prescribed) and Tylenol.  She was transported to the hospital (because she herself callled 911).  They pumped her stomach.  Did whatever it was they had to do to get the sedatives and painkillers out of her system.  But it was the Tylenol - acetominaphen - that they could not clear.  Her liver shut down because of it, and everything else followed.

He told me that about five years ago, and to this day, I swear by Motrin.
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Re: I know we've talked about this before, but
« Reply #27 on: July 24, 2008, 11:04:01 pm »
Frankly, these legal drugs can kill you. I never take Tylenol, aspirin, or any of them.
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Re: I know we've talked about this before, but
« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2008, 11:08:36 pm »
Louise....not 8 grams.

One Tylenol 3 tablet has 300 mg acetaminophen, 15 mg caffeine, and 30 mg codeine phosphate.

30 mg codeine = 0.03 gms (grams)

Even if you are thinking of the old-fashioned measurement system of grains, 30 mg is equal to 0.5 (1/2) grain. No where near 8.

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I definitely did not mean grams!  I thought it was 8 mg.

Okay - just looked it up - acetominophen with codeine, OTC in Canada, can contain UP TO 8 mg.  Anything over 8 mg has to be by prescription.  That is where I got the figure!  Thank goodness for Google!
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Re: I know we've talked about this before, but
« Reply #29 on: July 25, 2008, 11:15:05 am »
When I lived in Belfast for a year, I was quite shocked at the small sizes of OTC medicine, such as the paracetomol Fiona was mentioning above.  I was also told by my fiance who I was living with, that you could only buy so much of it during any one transaction at the store.  For instance, if you needed paracetomol, you had to buy it like 20 at a time.  You couldn't buy 3 x 20 at one time at the checkout counter.  So I guess you'd have to go in the store, buy 20, take them to your car, go back in the store, buy 20 more, etc., etc.  When he came to America, and saw bottles of Tylenol on the shelves, with like 250 tablets in one bottle, he was blown away.  I remember one Christmas, that's what I took over to give him as a present, so he wouldn't be bothered with continuously buying such small amounts.  He probably still has that giant bottle to this day.  Guess their rationing policy was done as a means to keep people from choosing to overdose, or overdosing accidentally.  But I saw it as being wrong for consumer's rights.  Stuff's always cheaper when you buy in bulk.  Why not be given the choice?
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