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Re: Barack Obama vs. John McCain
« Reply #120 on: May 27, 2008, 05:45:56 pm »
Virginia's James Webb may be a good choice.

I'm studying LA Gov. Bobby Jindal for McCain.
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Re: Barack Obama vs. John McCain
« Reply #121 on: May 30, 2008, 10:49:06 pm »
Looks like the "right" isn't the only side that has trouble with its religious leaders.

What a mouth on Chicago's Father Fleger. Or Pfleger.  :P I've seen it both ways on the news.
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Re: Barack Obama vs. John McCain
« Reply #122 on: May 30, 2008, 10:50:38 pm »
Looks like the "right" isn't the only side that has trouble with its religious leaders.

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Re: Barack Obama vs. John McCain
« Reply #123 on: June 01, 2008, 08:15:29 am »
Barack Obama resigned from his church:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24908975
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Re: Barack Obama vs. John McCain
« Reply #124 on: June 02, 2008, 12:36:54 am »
I would *love* for Obama to win.  And I'm so looking forward to voting *for* someone for the first time in my life rather than voting against the greater of two evils.

But I fear that McCain will win.  And the country will be even further polarized than it already is.  (I really believe that Obama could begin the process of healing and re-uniting us after the debacle - no, embarassment - that has been and continues to be the Bush administration.)

I think there are still too many ignorant people in this country.  I can't tell you how often I hear "I just don't know that having a Muslim president is a good idea."  And from people I thought were well-educated and intelligent!  Not only is he not a Muslim, it wouldn't matter if he were.  Muslims are not the problem.  Religious extremists in all factions are.  I really think that people who say this are at heart anti-black, and feel that it's a more "politically correct" admission to hate/fear Muslims than, certainly, to hate/fear blacks.  And that thought chills me to the bone.

The longer I live in this country, the more I want to leave it.  And that is no exaggeration.  I really worry about what will happen when McCain wins.  I don't see the Draft as being too far in the distant future, for one thing.  My son is now 6 1/2.  12 years and thousands of more lives later, he could very well find himself facing it if we keep electing war mongers like Bush and McCain into office.


I actuallythought I was right wing until we moved here. The right wing here is bordering on fascist.They are so far over to te right,I now think I must be left wing.
I never thought I would hear myself say that.In the U.K the right wing is a lamb compared to here. But it is as well to rmember that it was Tony Blair and his left wing government which took the U.K into war,against the will of pretty welll all the country and on the back of some now disproved facts.
So I think sometimes it is more to do with personality than politics.
Tony Blair was young when he came to power.He ws going to change Britain beyond all recognition.He did, he took us into a war we did not want.He promised no more sleaze and his govenment had some of the worst scandals ever.
I give up on politicians,they all become corrupted by power. That I think is the crux of the matter. It must take a very very strong person to remain uncorrupted by the truly enormous amount of power they have,
Is it possible to be a leader and honest,or is that just a contradiction in terms. If so, then the best option wuld be for a form of coalition government, where there is a counter balance at all times.

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Re: Barack Obama vs. John McCain
« Reply #125 on: June 02, 2008, 03:09:42 am »
I actuallythought I was right wing until we moved here. The right wing here is bordering on fascist.They are so far over to te right,I now think I must be left wing.
I never thought I would hear myself say that.In the U.K the right wing is a lamb compared to here. But it is as well to rmember that it was Tony Blair and his left wing government which took the U.K into war,against the will of pretty welll all the country and on the back of some now disproved facts.
So I think sometimes it is more to do with personality than politics.
Tony Blair was young when he came to power.He ws going to change Britain beyond all recognition.He did, he took us into a war we did not want.He promised no more sleaze and his govenment had some of the worst scandals ever.
I give up on politicians,they all become corrupted by power. That I think is the crux of the matter. It must take a very very strong person to remain uncorrupted by the truly enormous amount of power they have,
Is it possible to be a leader and honest,or is that just a contradiction in terms. If so, then the best option wuld be for a form of coalition government, where there is a counter balance at all times.

I think it's a contradiction in terms. Yes. So far, we have caught ALL THREE candidates in lies, including Barack Obama. By the way, I voted for Barack in the Indiana primaries, and I will vote for him again in the national election this November. But they ALL lie. None of them are honest. Like you said, the enormous power they crave is all too powerful, and they will say or do anything... ANYTHING to obtain it. We can only hope to elect the lesser of the two evils. And in my opinion that would be Barack Obama.

Anybody ANYBODY is better than George Bush. He lied us into a war many Americans opposed in the first place, then attacked the wrong country, and THEN after the TRUTH was revealed, claimed he based the invasion "on the facts at the time". Well alrighty then!

Lord have mercy.  ::)  >:(  >:(
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Re: Barack Obama vs. John McCain
« Reply #126 on: June 02, 2008, 03:41:17 am »
I actuallythought I was right wing until we moved here. The right wing here is bordering on fascist.They are so far over to te right,I now think I must be left wing.

It's okay to be left wing if that's what you want to be, Optom3. That is your choice in a free country. But please don't lump all in the right wing as being the same. All right wingers aren't fascist/all left wingers aren't socialists.

The left wing extremists and the right wing extremists BOTH have their demons.

The rest just have a difference of opinions. If not, we'd be a one-party state like China or Cuba.
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Re: Barack Obama vs. John McCain
« Reply #127 on: June 02, 2008, 03:49:33 am »
I actuallythought I was right wing until we moved here. The right wing here is bordering on fascist.They are so far over to te right,I now think I must be left wing.

It's okay to be left wing if that's what you want to be, Optom3. That is your choice in a free country. But please don't lump all in the right wing as being the same. All right wingers aren't fascist/all left wingers aren't socialists.

The left wing extremists and the right wing extremists BOTH have their demons.

The rest just have a difference of opinions. If not, we'd be a one-party state like China or Cuba.


Well said Shasta!! :)

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Re: Barack Obama vs. John McCain
« Reply #128 on: June 02, 2008, 03:55:24 am »
Well said Shasta!! :)



:) :-*  You and I should run, David.  :P ;D

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Re: Barack Obama vs. John McCain
« Reply #129 on: June 02, 2008, 06:32:52 am »
Please also remember that most people are not "liberal" about everything or "conservative" about everything.

I tend to be "liberal" about social issues and very "conservative" about fiscal issues.

The Bush administration claims to be "conservative," but they spend money like it was water.

It's gotten to the point where the meanings of the terms have become so muddled that their primary value is as epithets.