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Re: TOTW 18/08: The lines from the trailer
« Reply #30 on: May 22, 2008, 10:10:34 pm »
I always get the feeling that Jack really believed that one day they'd find that sweet life, and kind of that he thought himself invincible...

*sigh*

If only.  :(
I so agree with ya on this.
I think he was expecting it right up until the end.
I think he gave up at the lake and that is when he turned to Randall.
If only is right  :'(
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Re: TOTW 18/08: The lines from the trailer
« Reply #31 on: May 22, 2008, 11:33:54 pm »
O.K I am going to be swayed a little towards this line of thinking, mainly because it a amuch more positive spin.

I think with me I see it differently sometimes,because I read the story first.I cannot get the "euphoric,bitter air" out of my head.I remember as soon as I read that,my next thought was uh oh. The sentence was preceeded by them having a wonderful carefree time,then just like a roller coaster, you're up with the euphoric then plunged right down with the bitter.You also get to know that Aguirre ha watched them having sex.

My heart sank at that point, in the story,I had no idea where it was going,but I didn't think it was a good direction.

I remeber feeling incredibly sad when reding the story that their idyllic carefree time was immediately tainted.

I guess I then took this perception with me when I saw the film.

I have posted before that I often wish I had seen the film first,in some ways their time on BBM is much less spoiled in the film than in the S.S.
But then in appostion to that,Ennis is more tender and loving with Jack in the S.S than the film.

So I guess,swings and roundabouts,
But as I have had a truly dreadful night so far,I am going to let you all persuade me to the BBM time being perfect.In the hopes it may cheer me up!!!!!

sorry to be off topic for a sec, but I am just curious whether you have read Annie's latest short story?  any of her other work?

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,20354.0.html
(hopefully that is the link to the thread discussing the new short story)

to try to stay on topic... i find it sort of annoying that some scenes in the trailer did not end up appearing in the movie.  has that happened with other movies/trailers?  seems like something that could have been prevented, but perhaps not.
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Re: TOTW 18/08: The lines from the trailer
« Reply #32 on: May 23, 2008, 03:25:54 am »
Rich, I'm hopin it won't be too long before you find yourself in one of those situations where you wish time would stop, and it would just stay like this.

Thanks Clyde. Me too!
I have had a one.
When I went to San Fransisco last year I wish It could have stayed that way.
Everything was new and exciting. I met my Brokie friends in person for the first time and I fell in love with the most wonderful beautiful man I had ever seen.
I wanted it to be just like that always. I feel like that everytime I am with my daughter too.
I know each day that passes she is growing more and taking another step toward adulthood and away from me.
So especially where she is concerned I feel that way!
But alas, reality steals our joy and our happiness sometimes and shows us that nothing is forever.
only bittersweet memories..
That reminds  me of a  couples of lines from The horse whisperer by Nicholas Evans:

“How Frank had wished that now could last forever and how their father had said forever was but a trail of nows and the best a man could do was live each one fully in its turn.”

You are so right.  The tragedy of the story really lies at that fork in the road, after which Ennis and Jack were forced to look back forever on "the road not taken" with regret and (at least for Ennis) the inability to move forward in the direction that he yearned to.  This is an all too familiar story to me personally.  An earlier, less encumbered time, when fear prevented following the heart.  There is no going back, for anyone, and BBM exemplified that all too painful reality.  Regrets are the hardest part of life, at least for me, and I suspect for a lot of people.  In other words, "if you can't fix it you've got to stand it."
Same applies to me, very much spot on!

I don't know, I think what they had on the mountain was perfect.
For the first and only time in their lives they were who they were supposed to be.
They were free to love each other and what  love it was. All new filled with excitement and promise.
They were suspended above ordinary things. The were as the Gods on Olympus.
They may have been seen by Aquirre but they didn't know that.  They were in love and they were free to express it for however short a time it was.
Some people never get that.
However short a time it was, and even knowing later that Aguirre had seen them, that time has been part of their lives, it belongs to them. No-one, nothing can take it  away  from them.
You're right, some people never get that. I know, sadly  I am one of them.

sorry to be off topic for a sec, but I am just curious whether you have read Annie's latest short story?  any of her other work?
I am currently reading The shipping news.




I have found every single post on this thread  very inspiring.   Thank you all!
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Re: TOTW 18/08: The lines from the trailer
« Reply #33 on: May 23, 2008, 08:34:26 am »
Great thread, everyone!

"There are places we can't return" is of course in distinction from Jack's line "It could be like this, just like this, always." 

Like Rich says, we all have had moments that are so wonderful, we hope they won't end.  But, the world keeps turning. 

It's a theme that has been in the culture.  Jim Croce's "Time in a Bottle" comes to mind.  One of my favorite expressions of this theme is from "Oliver".  There's a song called "Who Will Buy?" about a perfect day, and the wish to keep it. 

How about a little musical interlude?

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3EhsdMUNr8[/youtube]

Who will buy this wonderful morning?
Such a sky you never did see!

Who will tie it up with a ribbon,
And put it in a box for me?

So I could see it at my leisure,
Whenever things go wrong,
And I would keep it as a treasure,
To last my whole life long.

Who will buy this wonderful feeling?
I'm so high, I swear I could fly.

Me, oh my! I don't want to lose it.
So what am I to do
To keep a sky so blue?
There must be someone who will buy...


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Re: TOTW 18/08: The lines from the trailer
« Reply #34 on: May 23, 2008, 08:42:53 am »
"How Frank had wished that now could last forever and how their father had said forever was but a trail of nows and the best a man could do was live each one fully in its turn.”

Wow, this is another lesson of Brokeback Mountain.

Thanks for that, sel.

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Re: TOTW 18/08: The lines from the trailer
« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2008, 11:32:39 am »
Wow, I very nearly posted the lyrics of "Time in a Bottle" yesterday, but decided it was just too depressing.  I always found it ironic and sad that Jim Croce died so young after writing that song.



I did not know that. It is one of my favourite you tube videos of BBM ,Someone had done a video montage of BBM and set it totime in a bottle.It seemed so extraorinarily appropriate,I saved it,then downloade the song onto my MP3 player as it was scarily accurate for my life as well.It is sad to think he dies young. The song will resonate even more deeply with me now.

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Re: TOTW 18/08: The lines from the trailer
« Reply #36 on: May 23, 2008, 12:22:45 pm »
I remember when Jim Croce Died. My Mamma cried and we listened to his records all day.
I think when I was that age my favorite songs were Rapid Roy and Ya Don't Mess around with Jim.
I think Time In Bottle is a very appropriate BBM song.
It's amazing how many songs do fit.
I guess heartache, regret and missed opportunities are universal themes.
"The biggest obstacle to most of us achieving our dreams isn't reality, it's our own fear"

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Re: TOTW 18/08: The lines from the trailer
« Reply #37 on: May 23, 2008, 01:53:58 pm »
I remember when Jim Croce Died. My Mamma cried and we listened to his records all day.
I think when I was that age my favorite songs were Rapid Roy and Ya Don't Mess around with Jim.
I think Time In Bottle is a very appropriate BBM song.
It's amazing how many songs do fit.
I guess heartache, regret and missed opportunities are universal themes.

I guess they are more's the pity.

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Re: TOTW 18/08: The lines from the trailer
« Reply #38 on: May 23, 2008, 02:12:06 pm »
I guess they are more's the pity.
Yes, it is a pity. Seems like it's all part of the human condition.
This song reminds me of the boys for some reason and the topics we have been discussing in this thread.
See what Y'all think


These are the days
Sugarland

It's written on our palms and
It's written on our hearts
It's written in our songs and
It's written in the stars
Sometimes all we can do
Is stand up tall
When they're standing in line
Just to watch us fall

Chorus:
Whoa
We can't forget, these are the days
Whoa, don't be afraid
We can't forget, these are the days

Well, we got each other and that's all we need
From here on out it's just you and me
Two hometown hearts up against the world
That don't stand a chance against these boys
We faced 'em down, fought bigger fights
And I know babe we're gonna be alright

Whoa
We can't forget, these are the days
Whoa, don't be afraid
We can't forget, these are the days


Well, it feels like we're living from pay check to check
And we wake up wondering what might happen next
Yeah, someitmes it feels like we won't make it through
But the hard times pass
Like the good ones do
Baby wrap your fingers and
Hold on tight
I'll be right here beside you tonight
Baby climb up here
Watch the city glow
Let's make a wish on the fireworks below
We're making moments that we won't forget
And feeling ones that haven't happened yet



Whoa
Don't be afraid
We can't forget these are the days
"The biggest obstacle to most of us achieving our dreams isn't reality, it's our own fear"

"Saint Paul had his Epiphany on the road to Damascus, Mine was on Brokeback Mountain"

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Re: TOTW 18/08: The lines from the trailer
« Reply #39 on: May 23, 2008, 03:24:25 pm »
Yes, it is a pity. Seems like it's all part of the human condition.
This song reminds me of the boys for some reason and the topics we have been discussing in this thread.
See what Y'all think


These are the days
Sugarland

It's written on our palms and
It's written on our hearts
It's written in our songs and
It's written in the stars
Sometimes all we can do
Is stand up tall
When they're standing in line
Just to watch us fall

Chorus:
Whoa
We can't forget, these are the days
Whoa, don't be afraid
We can't forget, these are the days

Well, we got each other and that's all we need
From here on out it's just you and me
Two hometown hearts up against the world
That don't stand a chance against these boys
We faced 'em down, fought bigger fights
And I know babe we're gonna be alright

Whoa
We can't forget, these are the days
Whoa, don't be afraid
We can't forget, these are the days


Well, it feels like we're living from pay check to check
And we wake up wondering what might happen next
Yeah, someitmes it feels like we won't make it through
But the hard times pass
Like the good ones do
Baby wrap your fingers and
Hold on tight
I'll be right here beside you tonight
Baby climb up here
Watch the city glow
Let's make a wish on the fireworks below
We're making moments that we won't forget
And feeling ones that haven't happened yet



Whoa
Don't be afraid
We can't forget these are the days


I do think they suit our boys very well.
I have to admit to not knowing the song,but I will look it up.
There is a Queen track which I love and some of the lyrics are crucifyingly appropriate,It is a beautiful song anyway and Freddie Mercury has one of the best voices of all time IMO.
 It is interesting to me how many gay men are simply breathtaking artists of one sort or another,George Michael, Freddie of course,Elton John,our very own Artiste!!! Plus some pretty well known English actors.All those gay bashers should open their tiny little minds for just a split second and consider our world without so many of these wonderful people.I could go on and on with the list . Sir Ian McKellan(actor) Frederick Ashton ballet director.On and on but I am straying off topic here.
If you don't know this song,please give your ears a treat,it is heartbreaking though so be prepared to shed a tear.
 



WHO WANTS TO LIVE FOREVER.

There's no time for us
there's no place for us
what is this thing that builds our dreams yet slips away from us

who wants to live for ever
who wants to live for ever

there's no chance for us,
it's all decided for us
this world has only one sweet moment set aside for us

who wants to live for ever
who wants to live for ever

who dares to love for ever
oh when love must die

but  touch my tears with your lips
touch my world with your finger tips
and we can have for ever
and we can love for ever,
 forever is our today

who wants to live for ever
who wants to live for ever
forever is our today

Who waits for ever anyway.




Jack and Ennis had their one sweet moment on BBM and it was all decided for them, by Ennis's crippling fear and the worlds prejudice.But I do think they loved forever in each others hearts.