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Re: Article: "Brokeback Mountain Author Slams Movie's Fans"
« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2008, 01:18:14 pm »
I see your point but why expect her to change her personality when faced with obsessive fans.  Even I've been embarrassed by the antics of some of them, the audience members dressed up in cowboy drag when Jake hosted SNL comes to mind.  I guess I just don't take her comments personally because I'm not the one who's been harrassing her with god-awful fanfic (let's face it most of it is terrible), or pestered her about BbM at readings of her other work.

Just speaking for myself, I don't expect her or anybody to change their personality.  But if you're what is often euphemistically described as "blunt and honest", then people are likely to be blunt and honest right backatcha, and that's the way it is. And apart from fanfiction, IMO these quotes do suggest that she's painting everybody with the same brush. 

I'm not sure we're actually disagreeing here; just looking at it from different sides.  The only thing I'd specifically disagree with is that I'm not sure how many people are taking it personally.

And yes, a lot of fanfiction is pretty bad, although to be fair so is quite a lot of published fiction.  On another venue, I read a post in which the poster used Annie's remarks as an occasion to slam types of fanfics that the poster personally disliked; which she "had a right" to do but that doesn't obligate anybody to consider that admirable.

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Re: Article: "Brokeback Mountain Author Slams Movie's Fans"
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2008, 01:23:02 pm »
Obviously, Proulx planted the seed — the original concept from which Ossana and McMurtry worked for the brilliant screenplay.  No Proulx, no Brokeback.  But if fiction writers are riffing more off of the film (and I imagine 99.9999% of them are), Ms. Proulx would probably appreciate it if they sent their stuff to Ossana and McMurtry instead!

So, true, friend Laura. I remember when we asked Annie to come to our Roundup. She replied that she was sure Diana would be happy to come. Diana makes a good nurturer of the fan base, but that would be a role that Annie would be totally uncomfortable with. Also, she does not want or need fans. She appreciates readers, people who "get" her message. Her mission is to tell the stories of rural people and rural geographies. She is not there to glorify them or create pastoral fantasies or get people off. She is more a reporter than an author.

All the uproar about the movie has obscured the facts that Brokeback Mountain was published on October 13, 1997 (we're coming up on the 11th anniversary) in The New Yorker to immediate acclaim and recognition of its strong impact. It won the highest award a short story in a magazine can get (of course AP had already won a Pulitzer Prize). Her peers such as Larry McMurtry immediately realized upon reading it what she had achieved. No directors and few actors felt they could do justice to the work. I was not familiar with Ang Lee at the time that I heard they were going to  make a movie, and my heart sank because I thought they were going to ruin the story. Particularly when I heard that teenybopper heartthrobs were going to be cast. I refused to go see the movie when it came out, until my daughter dragged me to it, and the rest is history!!
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Re: Article: "Brokeback Mountain Author Slams Movie's Fans"
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2008, 01:42:28 pm »
Personally, I see people's points here though.  I think she sounded rude and ungrateful to a large bloc of her fans.  But I also understand how irritiating it must have been to be asked to vet a lot of horribly-written crap.

I think she may have been venting some long-building frustration to the WSJ interviewer.  It could also be that while she was "nurturing and supporting" to individuals as a way to be polite, it may have been the same individuals who — all put together — irritated the heck out of her.

There's the saying "well-behaved women never make history".  And a lot of great creators are also great assholes.  I guess it took a prickly little pain-in-the-ass like Proulx to get under our skins...  8)

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Re: Article: "Brokeback Mountain Author Slams Movie's Fans"
« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2008, 11:08:45 am »
Well, maybe it's just me, but I don't blame Annie one bit for what she said.

We need to keep a few things in mind, I think.

We were all hit very hard by the movie based on her story.  I know a number of people who didn't read the story until after the movie came out.  I was one of them.  I new it existed, but I'm the type of person who always likes the book better.  Rather than ruin the movie, I held off reading the short story until after, so I could enjoy them both for what they were.

Annie, however, wrote that story over 10 years ago.  Any emotional connection she had to the story or characters has long faded.  I'm sure she's written a lot of stuff since then that she's equally proud of, but instead must deal with a constant barage of questions on Brokeback.  Artists evolve, and improve.  I'm sure that while she's still fond of Brokeback, her other work shows different facets of her abilites of an author, and they're being overlooked for work she's done over 10 years ago.

On top of that, other writers are sending remakes of that work, having characters she's created doing things she's never intended them to do.

I write poetry, but have started a slash story.  It's been on the back burner for a while, and I would never even think of sending it to Annie Proulx for her review.


Almost a year ago, The New Yorker was hosting a book signing, and Annie Proulx was one of the featured authors.  The day before there was also a reading featuring Annie.  She read her short story "The Sagebrush Kid", and she answered all questions (including ones regarding Brokeback) very good naturedly.

The next day at the signing, she had the longest line of fans to have their books signed.  We noticed one man on line with approximately a dozen copies of the Brokeback Mountain short story.  We all just looked at each other, knowing they would end up on Ebay.  She graciously signed them all.

When I reached her, she signed my copies of "Bad Dirt" and "Brokeback Mountain" I asked her about "The Sagebrush Kid".  The first thing she did was enthusiastically thank me for attending the reading, and then went on to tell me it was from her next collection of shorts, called "Fine Just The Way It Is".

When MaineGirl (Sue) reached her with her books to be signed, she looks Sue in the face and complimented her on her beautiful eyes.



Here is a group shot of us after Annie signed all our books!  If you look carefully, you can see her in the background, signing someone else's.  Thanks to Meryl, who spotted this shot.




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Re: Article: "Brokeback Mountain Author Slams Movie's Fans"
« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2008, 12:00:40 pm »
Almost a year ago, The New Yorker was hosting a book signing, and Annie Proulx was one of the featured authors.  The day before there was also a reading featuring Annie.  She read her short story "The Sagebrush Kid", and she answered all questions (including ones regarding Brokeback) very good naturedly.

The next day at the signing, she had the longest line of fans to have their books signed.  We noticed one man on line with approximately a dozen copies of the Brokeback Mountain short story.  We all just looked at each other, knowing they would end up on Ebay.  She graciously signed them all.

Wish I'd been there last year -- so far I haven't been able to hear her lecture or meet her in person, though I did attend a very good Q&A session Diana Ossana hosted at a nearby college.  Unfortunately, if I do get the chance, I'll now feel like I have to be sure and keep being a Brokeback fan a secret.

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Re: Article: "Brokeback Mountain Author Slams Movie's Fans"
« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2008, 04:51:50 pm »
Geez, folks, I certainly did not mean to stir up this kind of controversy, simply by posting the WSJ article.  I honestly had no opinion, either way, as to whether or not I thought she was a bad person or a justified person for saying what she did as an author.  I was just posting to put it out there because it was quite topical, related to all of us.  Hope folks aren't getting too mad and heated at each other debating this.
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« Reply #26 on: September 26, 2008, 03:28:20 pm »
No reason to feel that way -- given the focus of this forum, it would be surprising if no one brought it up.

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Re: Article: "Brokeback Mountain Author Slams Movie's Fans"
« Reply #27 on: September 26, 2008, 04:17:57 pm »
Geez, folks, I certainly did not mean to stir up this kind of controversy, simply by posting the WSJ article.  I honestly had no opinion, either way, as to whether or not I thought she was a bad person or a justified person for saying what she did as an author.  I was just posting to put it out there because it was quite topical, related to all of us.  Hope folks aren't getting too mad and heated at each other debating this.

Heavens, no! I wouldn't even have been aware of Annie's comments if you hadn't posted the article. I appreciate you bringing it to my attention. Really, I do!  :)
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« Reply #28 on: September 26, 2008, 04:46:45 pm »
So what?  My point is that she is a blunt person who doesn't seem to give a hoot what people think.  You can't expect her to be a delicate nurturer with BbM fans.

Couldnt agree more with this. I would add that she already expended her energy on those characters something like ten YEARS ago when it came out. She has moved on, WAY on, come out with a couple other books since then, it s got to be weird and frustrting that all that work she done and folks just want to talk about Brokeback which for her must be ancient history.

Yeah it is nice to get recognition for your hard work but when some work deeply touches a person its a combination of things, about half of which is your own history making you react so emotionally, and the story or movie or whatnot is just one component of that, and the writer of the original take that only makes up half that equation has no idea of any of that. So imagine how exhausting it must be be buttonholed over and over again by some emotionally worked up stranger who got this image of yur work in their head that after all that obsessing might not have much to do with the original at all by then.
Dont know what Id say in such a situation myself.



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Re: Article: "Brokeback Mountain Author Slams Movie's Fans"
« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2008, 05:36:41 pm »
Well, maybe it's just me, but I don't blame Annie one bit for what she said.

We need to keep a few things in mind, I think.

We were all hit very hard by the movie based on her story.  I know a number of people who didn't read the story until after the movie came out.  I was one of them.  I new it existed, but I'm the type of person who always likes the book better.  Rather than ruin the movie, I held off reading the short story until after, so I could enjoy them both for what they were.

Annie, however, wrote that story over 10 years ago.  Any emotional connection she had to the story or characters has long faded.  I'm sure she's written a lot of stuff since then that she's equally proud of, but instead must deal with a constant barage of questions on Brokeback.  Artists evolve, and improve.  I'm sure that while she's still fond of Brokeback, her other work shows different facets of her abilites of an author, and they're being overlooked for work she's done over 10 years ago.

On top of that, other writers are sending remakes of that work, having characters she's created doing things she's never intended them to do.

I write poetry, but have started a slash story.  It's been on the back burner for a while, and I would never even think of sending it to Annie Proulx for her review.

Hmmmm...well I've been thinking about this after reading the article on the other thread about it posted today. I'd agree entirely. I saw the movie first, and to be honest that was a pure fluke at the time, because my friend and I tend to just pick a day to go to the cinema after work and we go and watch whatever's starting next when we get there. That day it just happened to be Brokeback. I'd heard it mentioned vaguelly as "the gay cowboy film", but I'd no idea what it was about really and just went along with no particular expectations really. Sometimes we go and happen to chance on a really good film, other times whatever it is ends up being total crap (after the last one we went to see, "Pathology", I've been told I'm not allowed to chose again if there's two starting at the same time - it was totally awful!  :laugh:)

The day after I saw the movie I went out and bought the book, partly because having seen the movie and thinking it was fantastic I felt I needed to read the story too, and partly because one of the guys that works with my friend I went to see BBM with said he'd not seen it, but he'd read the story and how fantastic that was. Having now seen the film many times, and read the story many times, I can't say that I prefer one over the other. There's something special about both of them, and I love them both for different reasons.

Thinking back to when I was younger when I used to go to a local writers group, I always used to hate it when they did the group critique sessions because whenever anyone said to me that they thought I should change how a story happened, or what a character did, I always felt like saying (and I think I actually did say on more than one occasion), "Look, it's my damned story and these characters are in my damned head, and I'll tell it the way I want!" As others have said, if Annie's being bombarded with fanfics, often of dubious quality, I'm not surprised she's more than a little pissed off by it!

Until BBM I was never really a fan of fanfics, but since reading some of the BBM fanfics I've kind of revised my opinion. There's some I think are great, some are okay, and others, well, I haven't got past the first page with them. Earlier this year I did start writing a fanfic myself (currently on the back-burner due to work commitments etc.) which was something I never thought I'd do, but when Jack and Ennis appeared in my head one lunch time at work, they were demanding to be written about. What I'll do with it when it's finished, I don't know. I'll possibly share it with the Brokie community, but I wouldn't dream of sending it to Annie Proux. I remember reading Stephen King's autobiography a few years ago, and one of the things he said was that people often asked him why he wrote, and he said it was because he had to. When that story and those characters appear in your head you just have to write about them or they carry on bugging you until you do.

In that respect I guess Annie's no different to any other writer, she writes because she has to on one level. Yes, she's a published author and her work's widely known now, in large part I guess due to BBM, but I guess that even if all the world's publishing houses folded tomorrow and the government banned publishing, she'd still have to write, even if it wasn't published, because that's what she is - a writer. I suppose, like anyone, she's quite proud and pleased that people like her work, but I'm guessing that chances are even if the public weren't there to read it, she'd still have to write it. As others have said, when 10 years+ later people are still badgering you about something you wrote way back when, as though that's the only thing you've ever written it would become very tiresome after a while. Going back to that writer's group I used to go to - we got a book of our work published - I had a short story and a couple of poems in it. It was a very limited print run, but had ISBN number and the works, and most of the copies I guess got sold to friends and families of people in the group who knew they were in it. I've got a couple of copies of it around here somewhere, and I guess there may be a bookshop or two somewhere who stocked it who may have a copy or two gathering dust on a shelf somewhere, or in some dark stock room, but I don't get constant questions about it. Many of my poems and some of my stories are on my website, and I get emails from people all over the place asking if they can use my poem "X" for whatever, but if suddenly I started getting a deluge of emails saying , "So what about 'A stone in the water'? Why did you write those particular ones?" I'd be thinking, and possibly saying, "Well actually I have written other stuff since then y'know!"

Everyone's different though. Some people are pretty tolerant, and others have a lower tolerance level and different reactions. On my forum, one of my now ex moderators is very outspoken and tends to just say what she thinks. That's just her. It annoys some people, and on occasions, as boss of the place, I've been a bit miffed with her reactions to decisions I've taken on how I run the forum, but at the end of the day, that's just part of her personality. Maybe it's not her best quality, but she's other qualities that more than make up for that. On the whole, I tend to be more tactful, but recently after members repeatedly pissed me off with some of their antics I finally snapped and sent out a strongly worded announcement that shocked members, because they're not used to me talking to them like that (it did the trick though - they've been perfectly behaved since then  ;)).

Like the lady said, if you can't fix it, you gotta stand it, and she's had to stand the constant questions and attention about BBM since 2005, but when one too many "pornish" manuscripts lands on your doormat, and one too many reporters asks you about Brokeback, it must be enough to test the patience of a saint! Of course the other thing to remember is that (not that I'm saying the media are biased in any way or anything), the quotes in that article are just a couple of sentences from what may have been a lengthy interview. We're not to know that she didn't infact say "...They constantly send ghastly manuscripts and pornish rewrites of the story to me, expecting me to reply with praise and applause for 'fixing' the story. They certainly don't get the message that if you can't fix it, you've got to stand it....that's just a very vocal and irritating minority though. Generally Brokies are all really nice people and I'm pleased that so many people have enjoyed the story and gained a lot from it..." or something along those lines. Let's face it, "Brokeback Mountain Author Slams Movie's Fans" is a much better attention grabbing headline than "Brokeback Mountain Author Says Brokeback Fans Are Great But It's A Pity About A Small Minority Of Them"  ::) We only read what the press want us to read, and there's any number of ways you can slant an article to get the desired effect by taking phrases out of context or only reporting the bits you consider are "newsworthy".


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