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Ennis & Alma's wedding scene
« on: November 30, 2008, 09:10:12 pm »
The wedding scene between Ennis and Alma is certainly complex and loaded with meaning.  Yet, I don't recall many threads that focus on analyzing this scene in great depth.

So this thread can be a place to discuss everything from the interesting Jolly Minister voice-over transition from Ennis crying in the alley to the wedding scene to details of costumes and extras in the scene.  Who are all these people in the church?  Who's the old guy to the far left on Ennis's side of the church?  Etc.

In another thread here in Open Forum it was observed that Ennis and his best man (presumably K.E... maybe) seem to be sharing one suit.  Ennis wearing the jacket and the best man wearing the pants.

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This level of detail in the scene suggests, that like everything else in BBM, this scene was very carefully crafted.

One thing that I'd like to observe is that there is a man with dark hair seated in the audience behind Ennis's head and in between Ennis and Jack in this photo above... his dark hair is very reminiscent of Jack's hair.  On close inspection the man doesn't look that much like Jack except for the hair.  So, I wonder if this is a variation on the theme of men with black hats haunting Ennis throughout the film.  This man with the dark hair reminds me of this guy...

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from just the previous scene.  The guy who encounters Ennis in the alley, I think, makes almost all first time BBM watchers think of Jack for a split second before they realize that this is a stranger and not Jack coming back to find Ennis.



Maybe this extra in the pew with dark hair is like a little visual cue to the viewer of the movie that Jack (as always) is weighing heavy on Ennis here at this critical moment.

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Re: Ennis & Alma's wedding scene
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2008, 09:24:58 pm »
Alma's maid/matron of honor is oddly dressed, isn't she? Was it really cold in the church?

The best man looks, in a really generic way, quite a bit like Ennis, and the m. of honor looks generically quite a bit like Alma. That makes me think the characters represent the couple's siblings. But it also made me wonder if they were played by the people who served as stand-ins for Heath and Michelle.


 

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Re: Ennis & Alma's wedding scene
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2008, 09:49:09 pm »
I'll bet you're right about the stand-in thing, Katherine.  IMDB probably would have all the credits...

Anyway, yeah - it's interesting that the dark-haired guy is right between Ennis + Alma in the shot!


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Re: Ennis & Alma's wedding scene
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2008, 11:30:07 pm »
Why so many persons as an audience at their wedding ?

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Re: Ennis & Alma's wedding scene
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2008, 12:03:02 am »
I would think that most of the relatives at the wedding are Alma's. The matron of honour is probably her sister and the best man is more than likely her husband. The old couple could be her grandparents. The man standing directly behind the matron of honour has a flower in his lapel which means which means he is probably Alma's father.

We know that Alma's sister lives in the town, from when Alma tells Ennis in the store, that she will get her sister to look after the girls, so its more than likely that this is Alma's home town, and all of her family live there. The crowd there seem typical of what would be a small wedding with relatives and a few close friends.
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Re: Ennis & Alma's wedding scene
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2008, 12:18:42 am »
Alma's maid/matron of honor is oddly dressed, isn't she? Was it really cold in the church?



She does appear to be dressed for the outside with a hat and coat.  I notice a number of women in the crowd wearing hats... Isn't there an old rule of etiquette about women covering their heads in church?  I don't really know, not having been raised as a church-going person.  But, I'd think that a maid of honor would have a more formal looking outfit on.  The coat seems particularly odd.

I think you're right that there's quite a physical similarity between Ennis and the best man and Alma and the maid of honor.  I do think the similar appearance is a good clue that both are meant to be respective siblings of the pair.

I would think that most of the relatives at the wedding are Alma's. The matron of honour is probably her sister and the best man is more than likely her husband.

The only reason I'd disagree with the interpretation that the best man is Alma's sister's husband is that Ennis seems to be sharing a suit with the best man.  Ennis is wearing the jacket and the best man is wearing the pants.  I can't imagine Ennis doing that with anyone other than his brother.


Anyway, yeah - it's interesting that the dark-haired guy is right between Ennis + Alma in the shot!


I love things like this in BBM.  Just so beautifully and subtly crafted.

Here's another shot of the dark-haired guy situated in between Ennis and Alma.  I love the difference in facial expression here between Ennis and Alma.  Ennis couldn't look anymore tense.

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The guy in the church between Ennis and Alma reminds me of the later phenomenon of the dark-hat-wearing guy between Ennis and Cassie during their initial meeting.

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Why so many persons as an audience at their wedding ?

I wonder if the large number of people (relative to what we know of Ennis's social life and family situation) might in some ways represent Society with a capital "S".  The crowd maybe represents the societal pressure Ennis always feels. 



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Re: Ennis & Alma's wedding scene
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2008, 04:55:05 pm »

She does appear to be dressed for the outside with a hat and coat.  I notice a number of women in the crowd wearing hats... Isn't there an old rule of etiquette about women covering their heads in church?  I don't really know, not having been raised as a church-going person.

Up until quite recently, most women would feel it obligatory to wear a hat to a church wedding. Some would also wear gloves. As this wedding is taking place in the sixties, I'm not surprised that most of the women are wearing hats. What surprises me is that Ennis's best man - I agree with those who think it is supposed to be Ennis's brother - is so casually dressed. Why is that, I wonder? A sign of how little money the del Mar family has?





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Re: Ennis & Alma's wedding scene
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2008, 10:35:20 pm »
You know, I never even really noticed the best man at the wedding, or even thought to care about who he is I guess.  I'm bettin' it's K.E.  I wonder who the old man is behind K.E. though...

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Re: Ennis & Alma's wedding scene
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2008, 11:26:55 pm »
Probably the closest elder male relative (maybe an uncle) since he has a flower in his lapel.

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Re: Ennis & Alma's wedding scene
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2008, 11:29:23 pm »
OK, now who wants to explain the weird Jolly Minister?   ???




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Re: Ennis & Alma's wedding scene
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2008, 11:31:26 pm »
He must obviously be Alma's minister who's had a secret crush on her for ages. To be replaced by Monroe in time.
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Re: Ennis & Alma's wedding scene
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2008, 11:33:53 pm »
He must obviously be Alma's minister who's had a secret crush on her for ages. To be replaced by Monroe in time.


Do you mean that Monroe replaces the minister as the holder of an Alma crush? Or that Monroe replaces Alma in the minister's affections?


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Re: Ennis & Alma's wedding scene
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2008, 11:35:56 pm »
He must obviously be Alma's minister who's had a secret crush on her for ages. To be replaced by Monroe in time.


I think the Jolly Minister is foreshadowing of Monroe...  Maybe the minister illustrates Alma's longstanding ability to attract slightly pasty, dorky guys.  :laugh:

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Re: Ennis & Alma's wedding scene
« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2008, 12:10:16 am »
You are all funny.  I never thought the Jolly Minister represented anything...  Just a Minister being a Minister...adding some comic relief to what are usually very serious and intense moments.

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Re: Ennis & Alma's wedding scene
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2008, 12:13:28 am »
You are all funny.  I never thought the Jolly Minister represented anything...  Just a Minister being a Minister...adding some comic relief to what are usually very serious and intense moments.


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Re: Ennis & Alma's wedding scene
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2008, 12:14:44 am »
We three are happy to entertain you, friend Eric! Think of it as your BBM comic relief!!
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Re: Ennis & Alma's wedding scene
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Re: Ennis & Alma's wedding scene
« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2008, 12:30:05 am »
I think this is Alma's home town, where she was probably born, and the minister has probably been a family friend for most of her life, as is likely to happen in small towns back then.

His comments were that of a close family friend, any thought of a crush on her are pretty preposterous.

I think the wedding scene was no more than it was intended to be...a small family wedding on a tight budget. I dont think the bloke with the dark hair was placed in the shot on purpose nor were there any hidden meanings or interpretations, hidden in the scene.

It was there to show the next path that Ennis followed after his adventure with Jack on Brokeback Mountain. It showed that life went on as had been planned before Brokeback and that Ennis was committing to a life that was considered the normal life he should be leading.....regardless of what was going on in his head at the time.





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Re: Ennis & Alma's wedding scene
« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2008, 12:42:21 am »
You are all funny.  I never thought the Jolly Minister represented anything...  Just a Minister being a Minister...adding some comic relief to what are usually very serious and intense moments.


Yes, I do think there's some comin relief intended with the Jolly Minister.  But, I think his comment about "if you don't, I will" about kissing Alma probably went right to the heart of Ennis's insecurities.  It's like the Minister is reading Ennis's mind in lack of desire to kiss Alma.  I'm not saying that the minister could "tell" that Ennis was gay.  But, the Minister seems to be verbalizing Ennis's reluctance here.

I think that Ennis looks almost as miserable in this scene as he does in the divorce scene... but with different emotional inflections.  In the wedding he seems tense enough to burst, where as in the divorce he seems mostly dejected.  Although, both scenes involve crying in an interesting way... since the wedding scene is introduced with the shot of Ennis crying in the alley with the ministers voice-over.

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Re: Ennis & Alma's wedding scene
« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2008, 12:51:43 am »
Yes, I do think there's some comin relief intended with the Jolly Minister.  But, I think his comment about "if you don't, I will" about kissing Alma probably went right to the heart of Ennis's insecurities.  It's like the Minister is reading Ennis's mind in lack of desire to kiss Alma.  I'm not saying that the minister could "tell" that Ennis was gay.  But, the Minister seems to be verbalizing Ennis's reluctance here.

And I think it's significant that he's a man of the cloth. It's almost like a slight foreshadowing of the "fire and brimstone crowd" scene. Sort of like, if Ennis doesn't kiss Alma, there'll be a religious consequence to pay.

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I think that Ennis looks almost as miserable in this scene as he does in the divorce scene... but with different emotional inflections.  In the wedding he seems tense enough to burst, where as in the divorce he seems mostly dejected.  Although, both scenes involve crying in an interesting way... since the wedding scene is introduced with the shot of Ennis crying in the alley with the ministers voice-over.

Yes, they do seem bookendish, don't they.


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Re: Ennis & Alma's wedding scene
« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2008, 04:49:00 am »
I think this is Alma's home town, where she was probably born, and the minister has probably been a family friend for most of her life, as is likely to happen in small towns back then.

His comments were that of a close family friend, any thought of a crush on her are pretty preposterous.

I think the wedding scene was no more than it was intended to be...a small family wedding on a tight budget. I dont think the bloke with the dark hair was placed in the shot on purpose nor were there any hidden meanings or interpretations, hidden in the scene.

It was there to show the next path that Ennis followed after his adventure with Jack on Brokeback Mountain. It showed that life went on as had been planned before Brokeback and that Ennis was committing to a life that was considered the normal life he should be leading.....regardless of what was going on in his head at the time.







I think your right dead-on with this. Theres no heavy symbolism, because the players are loaded enough with significance all by themselves: the townspeople that Alma has known her entire life, her folks, her sister (remember the grocery store scene where you first meet Monroe, her sayng, "Monroe, Im so sorry, Ill clean this up soon as I call mys sisiter to come get the girls") the jolly minister likely tthe very one that baptised her. These people represent Society and Public Opinion. They are the holders of the standards that Ennis must meet in positive and negative ways.

A small town like that, the other folks are your lifeline in a rural isolated community, the people you lean on. To transgress their codes is to become a man without a country, unthinkable for someone like Ennis, who if you remember is an orphan. The man standing with him is his brother KE; remember in the credits theres one for KE DelMar) and in the screenplay theres a mention of Alma's "little parents" on the bride side, and Ennis's "rawboned brother and sister" on his side. Thats perceptive to notice the shared suit, the best man is in his clean working clothes, so the groom can wear theone suit between them they can afford. I figure the other folks rounding out the groom side is the ranch foreman, maybe some friends of his from work, and his brothers wife and inlaws.

For Ennis has no other family. To lose the few other connections he has by proxy is a fearful thing to this boy, why even the possibility of being shunned for one of the worst transgressions of the code is unthinkable for him. I dont think these are conscious thoughts to him I doubt that Ennis is any more articulate in his own thoughts than he is in his words. he has vague feelings.

Alma is purely happy, a woman would be on her big day, biggest day of her life, for a girl like that back then, not too much glamor and bright lights for poor country girl in Wyoming back then. Far as she knows, everyhting in life just fell into place, and its happily ever after. They might not have money but she loves Ennis and at this point, imagines whatever life thows their way, she'll make it happy for their little family. Likely Ennis's lonely childhood, losing his folks so young, touched he heart, and she was going to fix it, build him up, give him the happy home he lost.

His thoughts...way more complicated. I wouldnt say he looks sad so much as solemn. Hes taking the next step, doing what a man does, marrying and becoming head of a household, and be seen now as  a man among men, something he would of always had secret doubts on, dating back to that first view of old Earl in that drainage, all stirred up by Jack Twist on the mountain. That wedding ring is the officila stamp of approval, but its also a symbol of his weighty new responsibilities. He is now a breadwinner, and bottom line, hes an uneducated laborer with not a lot of prospects, though hes young enough that he dont yet feel the slimness of his chance of escape from the grind of poverty. He still has that dream of a spread of his own, no sickly daughter yetand bills to put it a little further out of reach every payday.

I imagine Jack Twist crosses his mind, but not like those fanfics where Ennis is all but quoting the lines from "I Meant Every Word He Said". To Ennis, Jack and the mountain is already some neverland place, not unlike Lureens cynical description of a pretend place where bluebids sing, somewhere not real, not of the everyday world of your wife, your boss, the guy at the feed store, the people in church and all there implied judgements. It gets a little further away all the time, locked in that room in his mind he only goes to when hes drifting away to sleep or lost in his chores and all alone.

Im pretty sure on this, because I lived it myself. That was me, some twenty or so years ago in my startched uniform, the chaplain and crossed swords instead of a drafty little prairie church in November, but I have been there and I know what went thru his head, and thats why it kills me too, to see her all radiant in her princess dress smiling tenderly at him. He was hoping it would "fix" him for good and all. Yet 4 years later, a few lines from Jack on the back of a postcards brings the whole thing down on there heads, shows what a house of cards it was, a house of cards built on sand.

The wedding is also the end for Jack and Ennis, the end of the idyll. He was still up there in Lightning Flat in those months, likely thought all the time on getting in his truch and making the drive, but being around that father of his, grinding all his big plans and schemes to powdr, he was never going to have anymore nerve than he did in that parking lot outside Aguirres trailer. But in those weeks between coming down off Broke back and "I do", there was still breathing room, in theory anyways. After "I do" the walls that would keep them forever apart were set in stone

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Re: Ennis & Alma's wedding scene
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2008, 05:29:02 am »
The man standing with him is his brother KE; remember in the credits theres one for KE DelMar)

I can´t believe I´ve never noticed that in the credits. Maybe I´ve just been to busy bawling my eyes out :laugh:
Thanks for pointing it out!

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Re: Ennis & Alma's wedding scene
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2008, 12:37:08 pm »
The credit "Steffen Cole Moser  -  K.E. Del Mar, Age 11" is for the boy in the flashback Earl scene. 

(In any case, I agree that the man next to Ennis must be K.E.)

Great post, JudgeHolden.

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Re: Ennis & Alma's wedding scene
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2008, 03:15:55 pm »
I have just one question about the part of the film with the Minister in it:

1. When we hear the Lord's prayer in the voice over, is there any significance in the fact that we don't hear it from the beginning, but from the middle. This is what we get to hear from the congregation:

      ...and forgive our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. Lead us not into temptation, but
      deliver us from evil. For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory, forever. Amen.

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Re: Ennis & Alma's wedding scene
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2008, 05:43:10 pm »
When we hear the Lord's prayer in the voice over, is there any significance in the fact that we don't hear it from the beginning, but from the middle.

Well yeah, of course!


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  ...and forgive our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory, forever. Amen.

The voice-over begins as Ennis is crouched prostrate in the alley, on his knees as if in prayer.  Why is he in that position?  He's wrestling with all his feelings: confusion, anger, grief, and guilt.  As JudgeHolden said, he's "transgressed the codes" of his society.  This specific part of the prayer deals with confessing our sins and asking forgiveness.

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Re: Ennis & Alma's wedding scene
« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2008, 07:08:39 pm »
Judge Holden.....only someone who has gone through it could have worded and explained the wedding scene as perfectly as you have. Thank you for your insight, and I have no doubt that your interpretation is very accurate, from the visuals we see and also what thoughts Ennis was probably thinking.

And your final paragraph, oh god yes, how true, that it spelt the beginning of 20yrs of frustration and anxiety for both Ennis and Jack. Little did we know that, as we watched that wedding scene. Little did Ennis know either what it was the beginning of.

I agree too, with Chowhound about the voice over of the Lords Prayer, starting while Ennis was still crouched in the alley way....beginning with the end of his Brokeback experience and ending with the beginning of the "normal" life he was committing himself to with Alma. It signifies the religious boundaries of one way of life against the other.
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Re: Ennis & Alma's wedding scene
« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2008, 11:59:47 pm »
And your final paragraph, oh god yes, how true, that it spelt the beginning of 20yrs of frustration and anxiety for both Ennis and Jack. Little did we know that, as we watched that wedding scene. Little did Ennis know either what it was the beginning of.

I think Ennis probably had at least a little sense that getting married wasn't the best idea from the prespective of personal desires and happiness.  Yes, the wedding set into motion a lot of misery for himself and Jack, but also for Alma.  It does seem very true that Ennis is going through with this marriage out of his characteristic desire to try to have a "normal" life that won't freak out the "people on the pavement"... or to appease Society (as I believe the gathering in the church represents).  I think he knows this is all a very dicey situation even during the ceremony, which is why he looks so pained.

It's also interesting to wonder at exactly what point Ennis understands all the ramifications of his emotional breakdown in the alley.  He mentions to Jack (in the story) that it "took me about a year a figure out it was that I shouldn't a let you out a my sights. Too late then by a long, long while."  So, by the November wedding, Ennis probably hasn't made a lot of progress in processing his emotions regarding Jack. 

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Re: Ennis & Alma's wedding scene
« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2008, 01:29:29 am »
It's also interesting to wonder at exactly what point Ennis understands all the ramifications of his emotional breakdown in the alley.  He mentions to Jack (in the story) that it "took me about a year a figure out it was that I shouldn't a let you out a my sights. Too late then by a long, long while."  So, by the November wedding, Ennis probably hasn't made a lot of progress in processing his emotions regarding Jack. 



Maybe he realized after a year married to Alma, that he was not getting the fullfillment or the satisfaction that he had got with Jack. Maybe he thought that once he got married, the time on Brokeback would be just a faint memory, and when it wasn't after a year, he knew that it was in his soul forever, and that he had definately gone in the wrong direction, but now could find no way out of it.
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Re: Ennis & Alma's wedding scene
« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2008, 12:14:01 pm »
Katie and Holden, your thoughts are so well put. "In his soul forever..."  Totally.


You are all funny.  I never thought the Jolly Minister represented anything... 

IMO, there was one major telling moment with the minister:

"I now pronounce you man and wife"
[Ennis leans in to kiss Alma, then straightens up as minister speaks again]
"You may kiss the bride."
[Ennis leans in again, then straightens up as minister speaks again]
"And if you don't, I will."
[Ennis laughs weakly with the group, then finally kisses Alma]

It's a microcosm of Ennis's dilemma; he can't express love without outside approval.

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Re: Ennis & Alma's wedding scene
« Reply #29 on: December 03, 2008, 12:24:09 pm »
It's a microcosm of Ennis's dilemma; he can't express love without outside approval.

Ooooooooooooo, this is really good Laura!  What a good, concise way to describe Ennis's frame of mind when it comes to love and convention.




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Re: Ennis & Alma's wedding scene
« Reply #30 on: December 03, 2008, 01:14:49 pm »
I think Ennis probably had at least a little sense that getting married wasn't the best idea from the prespective of personal desires and happiness.  Yes, the wedding set into motion a lot of misery for himself and Jack, but also for Alma.  It does seem very true that Ennis is going through with this marriage out of his characteristic desire to try to have a "normal" life that won't freak out the "people on the pavement"... or to appease Society (as I believe the gathering in the church represents).  I think he knows this is all a very dicey situation even during the ceremony, which is why he looks so pained.

I'd like to add to that --

People often go through with weddings that something tells them on some level is a mistake.  I had a cousin who did that -- huge, elaborate wedding and they got divorced six months later, and he admitted afterward that he'd known within a few weeks of the wedding that they shouldn't go through with it.  Ennis probably wasn't as direct with himself about marrying Alma being, ultimately, a mistake but something like that could have been going on underneath.

As I recall, my cousin remarked that he'd 'hoped it would all work out anyway', which is what Ennis might be doing with his own half-admitted doubts at that point.

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Re: Ennis & Alma's wedding scene
« Reply #31 on: December 03, 2008, 01:17:45 pm »

She does appear to be dressed for the outside with a hat and coat.  I notice a number of women in the crowd wearing hats... Isn't there an old rule of etiquette about women covering their heads in church?  I don't really know, not having been raised as a church-going person.  But, I'd think that a maid of honor would have a more formal looking outfit on.  The coat seems particularly odd.

Many churches had that requirement; but if we're assuming that was a Methodist church, I don't think they ever did.

But IMO that might be explained by this being 1963.  At that time, women still wore hats at festive occasions.  And the outfit looked to me more like a dressy ensemble that included a coat-like jacket.

One thing I didn't notice was how old Alma's mother appeared to be -- the actor in the first pew looked more like she'd be Alma's grandmother. Maybe Alma's mom was no longer living and a grandparent was standing in.

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Re: Ennis & Alma's wedding scene
« Reply #32 on: December 03, 2008, 03:01:56 pm »
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Theres no heavy symbolism, because the players are loaded enough with significance all by themselves...

I agree that the players and the occasion are quite significant. And there may not be heavy abstract symbolism (as in "the green, orange & white in the stained glass window each represents...").  But this is the largest ensemble scene in the film (2nd only to the July 4 scene) with very significant players – some of whom we see for the only time.  And this is Ang Lee!  8)  So I do think the blocking and the angle would be set up carefully, with a consistency and carry-through regarding the rest of the story.



There is something noticeably unique about the blocking!  Normally, the best man and maid of honor act in parallel – either turned in the same direction or mirroring each other. Here, the maid of honor faces inward toward the wedding party, while the best man faces forward.
I think this is a visual shorthand for the roles they play. Alma's sister will be a personal, practical help for the couple, looking after their offspring.  K.E. – who faces the priest and the altar, and faced Earl with Ennis – provides a male role model and reinforces convention. He + Ennis are separated in the frame by the priest – possibly illustrating how they come down on opposite sides of a major moral rule?

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Re: Ennis & Alma's wedding scene
« Reply #33 on: December 03, 2008, 03:15:21 pm »

Check out the angle here.  Ennis, surrounded on all sides by the congregants, is next to a clear window.  Alma has nothing between her and the door – the exit, the escape.

Who left the marriage?  Who had a legitimate 'escape route'?   Alma.

For Ennis, there is no escape from the expectations and conventions.  He can only 'gaze out windows' (at what he feels to be impossible dreams, as Katie & Holden aptly pointed out).  When Alma later asks why he hasn't married again, he gazes out the window.  When Alma Jr. tells him of her impending marriage, he gazes out the window. 
What's the last shot of the film?  Out Ennis's window.

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Re: Ennis & Alma's wedding scene
« Reply #34 on: December 03, 2008, 03:44:45 pm »

Check out the angle here.  Ennis, surrounded on all sides by the congregants, is next to a clear window.  Alma has nothing between her and the door – the exit, the escape.

Who left the marriage?  Who had a legitimate 'escape route'?   Alma.

For Ennis, there is no escape from the expectations and conventions.  He can only 'gaze out windows' (at what he feels to be impossible dreams, as Katie & Holden aptly pointed out).  When Alma later asks why he hasn't married again, he gazes out the window.  When Alma Jr. tells him of her impending marriage, he gazes out the window. 
What's the last shot of the film?  Out Ennis's window.

What a great post Laura. Love the windows theme. They sure are important in BBM. Some more window-themed observations come to my mind. How about making it a new thread: "Views and windows" ? Your post could be a good jump-off point.


Another thought on Ennis and the door: the only thing blocking Ennis from the door is Alma. Once she's out of the picture (and the marriage), the way to the door is seems open to Ennis. And that's exactly what Jack thinks when he drives up twelve hundred miles, post-divorce.


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Re: Ennis & Alma's wedding scene
« Reply #35 on: December 03, 2008, 03:49:45 pm »

I also love your post, friend. I noticed a couple of other things. Ennis' diagonally striped tie tells of his ambivalence, like his plaid shirts. Also, Alma appears to have two halos...the flowered one on her head, and then the half-moon window.

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Re: Ennis & Alma's wedding scene
« Reply #36 on: December 03, 2008, 04:09:25 pm »

Laura, these really are great observations and avenues for discussion.  I agree with what you say about this being a rather elaborate, ensemble scene.  And you're also right that it is one of the only chances we get to have any sense of Ennis and Alma's wider family/social circle.

But, your pics here are coming through as red "X's" for me. :(  Maybe it's because I'm looking at this at work.  :-\

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