Author Topic: Did Jack's Love "Wear Out"  (Read 7967 times)

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Re: Did Jack's Love "Wear Out"
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2009, 02:55:01 am »
Yes, of course he would have always gone to Ennis, whenever he invited him.

I think so too. That´s what the shirts convey in the end of the movie. Jack´s love was of the forever kind.

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Re: Did Jack's Love "Wear Out"
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2009, 10:33:29 am »
I think Jack communicated this when Lureen asked him why Ennis couldn't come down to Texas and fish, and he replied "Because the Big Horn Mountains ain't in Texas." He said Big Horn, but he was thinking Big Heart.  :)
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Re: Did Jack's Love "Wear Out"
« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2009, 09:56:25 pm »
I think jack's love for Ennis never died. He simply was incapable of "quitting" him. Time and circumstance may have led him down a different path, but his heart so long ago given to Ennis, remained just where it had always been since that first meeting. Maybe I am just an old romantic, but I truly beleve Jack was so in love with Ennis that no matter how many miles or years, he only truly ever had one love.
Life made that love an impossible dream, it did not kill it.

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Re: Did Jack's Love "Wear Out"
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2009, 03:22:35 pm »
Yes, of course he would have always gone to Ennis, whenever he invited him.

Yes, I agree he would go whenever Ennis invited him too... no matter what.  I think it's part of his short leash.  Even if he resolved in his head to not respond to Ennis... I think he'd ultimately be unable to resist running back to Ennis.  The short leash is part of Jack.  

And, I always think the "I wish I knew how to quit you" line is very profound and self-aware.  He knows he can't break up with Ennis (maybe even at odds with some of his more exasperated wishes).  Jack's no more able to break his short leash than Ennis is able to overcome his own attachments to the relationship.  Even when Ennis is saying "get off me"... he's hugging Jack tight.



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Re: Did Jack's Love "Wear Out"
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2009, 03:30:03 pm »
Yes, I agree he would go whenever Ennis invited him too... no matter what.  I think it's part of his short leash.  Even if he resolved in his head to not respond to Ennis... I think he'd ultimately be unable to resist running back to Ennis.  The short leash is part of Jack.  

And, I always think the "I wish I knew how to quit you" line is very profound and self-aware.  He knows he can't break up with Ennis (maybe even at odds with some of his more exasperated wishes).  Jack's no more able to break his short leash than Ennis is able to overcome his own attachments to the relationship.  Even when Ennis is saying "get off me"... he's hugging Jack tight.

Excellent post, Amanda!  I love the way you worded that:  "The short leash is part of Jack."  Exactly.  It was internal - not something Ennis "put" on him.   And I really like the point you make that  Even when Ennis is saying "get off me"... he's hugging Jack tight.  That's Ennis.
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Re: Did Jack's Love "Wear Out"
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2009, 03:34:15 pm »
Excellent post, Amanda!  I love the way you worded that:  "The short leash is part of Jack."  Exactly.  It was internal - not something Ennis "put" on him.   And I really like the point you make that  Even when Ennis is saying "get off me"... he's hugging Jack tight.  That's Ennis.

Thanks Marie! :)  :-*

Those late scenes of the movie (lake side fight, Jack's mysterious facial expression at the end of that scene, Ennis's later behavior, etc.) are endlessly interesting to think about.


And I agree that the leash isn't something Ennis put on Jack.  Jack had the leash from the very beginning when they're walking to the bar in Signal... and they barely knew each other then.  So, I think it was already there in Jack's character/personality.  Jack wanted attachments and a relationship. He craved the full connection and the full life together.  I think the leash metaphor may be part of this.




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Re: Did Jack's Love "Wear Out"
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2009, 04:32:41 pm »
Like others here, I don't believe Jack's love was "wearing out".  As Southendmd has pointed out, Jack doesn't say that he's quitting Ennis but "I wish I knew how to quit you". In this moment of emotional exasperation with Ennis, Jack may well wish to be quit of Ennis but, as he acknowledges, he doesn't know how. I suspect that once things have settled down, all thoughts of even trying to quit Ennis will have disappeared.

Nevertheless, this is an important scene as it is directly connected to the second tent scene  and, because of this link, we can look back over the whole of the movie and possibly forward as well.The link is provided by Jack. In the second tent scene, as Jack starts to hold Ennis, he murmurs to him "it's all right...it's all right". In the quarrel scene, as Jack once more takes Ennis in his arms, he again says to him "it's all right...it's all right". The difference , however, is that after the second "all right", Jack adds "damn you, Ennis". However, Jack's addition of"damn you" here is not, I think, a suggestion that he's about to walk away but an expression of emotional frustration that  something that started in that second tent scene has never, for Jack at least, reached a satisfactory conclusion even after nineteen years.

However, if the quarrel scene is a way of looking back, it also leaves open the question of what will happen next. Will anything change?i I think it's possible that it isn't Jack who changes but Ennis When Ennis sends Jack that final postcard suggesting that the two of them meet up at Pine Creek on Nov. 7. it looks as though this is the first time that Ennis has been the initiator in arranging their meetings, This, I think, is significant. Also, he's had the whole summer to think things over and recognize that Jack has even mentioned the notion that he might quit Ennis. Then Ennis's family obligations for his daughters are lessening. By the time of the quarrel scene, Alma Jr is at least seeing her first boyfriend, Troy, if not her husband-to-be, Kurt. Jenny can't be far behind. If his child support payments stop at 18, then he'll have stopped paying money for Alma Jr by the time of the quarrel scene and the same will be true of Jenny in a year or so. As well, in society, things are changing. "83 is not '63 and by '83, gay men are integrating a little more easily into society compared to twenty years ago. Even Ennis must be vaguely aware of this.

For all these reasons, I believe that Ennis, at that November meeting, might well have been prepared to offer Jack more of that "sweet life" than he had ever been prepared  to before. If I'm right, of course, the tragedy is, that all of this came a few months too late.

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Re: Did Jack's Love "Wear Out"
« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2009, 11:59:45 am »
...I think it's possible that it isn't Jack who changes but Ennis When Ennis sends Jack that final postcard suggesting that the two of them meet up at Pine Creek on Nov. 7. it looks as though this is the first time that Ennis has been the initiator in arranging their meetings, This, I think, is significant. Also, he's had the whole summer to think things over and recognize that Jack has even mentioned the notion that he might quit Ennis. Then Ennis's family obligations for his daughters are lessening. By the time of the quarrel scene, Alma Jr is at least seeing her first boyfriend, Troy, if not her husband-to-be, Kurt. Jenny can't be far behind. If his child support payments stop at 18, then he'll have stopped paying money for Alma Jr by the time of the quarrel scene and the same will be true of Jenny in a year or so. As well, in society, things are changing. "83 is not '63 and by '83, gay men are integrating a little more easily into society compared to twenty years ago. Even Ennis must be vaguely aware of this.

For all these reasons, I believe that Ennis, at that November meeting, might well have been prepared to offer Jack more of that "sweet life" than he had ever been prepared  to before. If I'm right, of course, the tragedy is, that all of this came a few months too late.


Very insightful post, friend, and you are right, it's a case of "too little, too late." Ennis is ready to give his love, but alas, Jack is gone. It's ironic and tragic.
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