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Re: Gay Marriage Sinks Miss California's shot at Crown
« Reply #170 on: May 01, 2009, 09:11:42 am »

Just to state for the record, I hate Perez Hilton, he's nothing but a talentless gossip monger.

However, according to pagent procedure, twelve questions are submitted prior to the pageant, and six are then chosen to be randomly drawn from a hat and asked to the top 5 contestants.

Hilton did not make up that question, it was submitted beforehand, and picked randomly.

The information was found on the Fox news site.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,517281,00.html

Good, if it's on Fox then the cons might believe it.  ;)

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Re: Gay Marriage Sinks Miss California's shot at Crown
« Reply #171 on: May 01, 2009, 09:22:24 am »
Yup, as I said earlier in the thread - she was just unlucky that she chose that one out of the big fishbowl!
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Re: Gay Marriage Sinks Miss California's shot at Crown
« Reply #172 on: May 01, 2009, 11:03:26 am »
I'm sorry, but I don't remember: Who actually started making the fuss that her views on gay marriage cost her the crown? Was it the contestant herself? Was it that anti-gay marriage group? Was it the media? Was it Perez Hilton just mouthing off for the publicity he could gain from it himself? Or did he mouth off in response to a question from other media types?

Since I don't remember I'm asking because I think Jess may have made a valid point: If Perez Hilton had kept his trap shut, perhaps Carrie Prejean wouldn't now be a poster girl for the forces of bigotry.  :-\
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Re: Gay Marriage Sinks Miss California's shot at Crown
« Reply #173 on: May 01, 2009, 12:10:39 pm »
Miss California's Breast Implants Funded By Pageant: CONFIRMED

Looks like Mario knows what he's talking about.  If it isn't the hate-mongering, it's the chicken cutlets!


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/01/miss-californias-breast-i_n_194385.html


Friday morning a Miss California Pageant official confirmed previous reports that controversial contestant Carrie Prejean received free breast implants, organized and paid for by the pageant, weeks before the Miss USA competition.

In an interview on "The Early Show," Keith Lewis, the co-Director of the Miss California Pageant, admitted to helping Prejean get the boob job.

"We assisted when Carrie came to us and voiced the interest in having the procedure done," Lewis told "Early Show" co-anchor Maggie Rodriguez.

"We want to put her in the best possible confidence in order to present herself in the best possible light on a national stage."

Full transcript is below:

MAGGIE RODRIGUEZ, CO-ANCHOR: A question we're going to put to Keith Lewis, the co-director of the Miss California organization, who joins us this morning from Los Angeles. Good morning to you, Mr. Lewis.

KEITH LEWIS, CO-DIRECTOR, MISS CALIFORNIA PAGEANT: Good morning.

RODRIGUEZ: First of all, can you settle this once and for all? Did you pay for or help pay for Miss California's breast implants?

LEWIS: We assisted when Carrie came to us and voiced the interest in having the procedure done, yes.

RODRIGUEZ: Why?


LEWIS: Well, you know, first off, it's not something that we endorse, nor is it something that we suggest. But when we meet with the titleholder when she's crowned Miss California, we put to her a litany of questions about how she feels about herself, what she feels she needs to work on, what she may need to change, what is good, what is not good. We want to put her in the best possible confidence in order to present herself in the best possible light on a national stage.

RODRIGUEZ: Why is the best possible confidence involve getting breast implants? Why does that improve her odds of winning? Why in that meeting don't you discourage her from going that route, rather than help her to pay for breast implants?

LEWIS: Well, we would never encourage her to go that route, but...

RODRIGUEZ: But why not discourage her?

LEWIS: ... it's a personal choice. Well, I think that it's about how a woman feels about herself. In terms of, for me, it's not a personal choice that I would recommend. But at the same time, I know so many women that have done the procedure and feel better about themselves and the way they present themselves.

And I think that's the question is, whether or not, when you're looking at that procedure as an option, am I going to feel better about myself? It's not about one night. It isn't about one night of competition. And doing a procedure like that for one night of competition would be foolish. But...

RODRIGUEZ: But don't the judges look at proportion when they're judging the swimsuits? Wouldn't she have a better chance of winning if she were more proportioned?

LEWIS: Well, of course she does. But there's plenty of ways of getting to more proportion without doing breast implants.

RODRIGUEZ: Well, but if...

LEWIS: Many of the girls use chicken cutlets.

RODRIGUEZ: ... if you have a flat chest, what are you supposed to do?

LEWIS: You use chicken cutlets. You use tape. You use anything that you can to enhance the line. There's lots of tricks of the trade.

It's just a matter of whether or not you want to go to that next level.

RODRIGUEZ: I wonder if you should change the rules and maybe not judge it so much on proportion.

LEWIS: Well, it's a beauty pageant, and the swimsuit competition is part of that beauty pageant. So, I agree with you, I think that we have to look at the way that we perceive real women and whether that needs to be changed in the media.

But you see it in television. You see it in advertising. It may be part of this pageantry, as well. But I think it's prevailing to everywhere, not just in one area.

RODRIGUEZ: It is, and that is unfortunate. Keith Lewis, thanks for your time.

LEWIS: You're so welcome.

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Re: Gay Marriage Sinks Miss California's shot at Crown
« Reply #174 on: May 01, 2009, 12:19:36 pm »
I'm sorry, but I don't remember: Who actually started making the fuss that her views on gay marriage cost her the crown? Was it the contestant herself? Was it that anti-gay marriage group? Was it the media? Was it Perez Hilton just mouthing off for the publicity he could gain from it himself? Or did he mouth off in response to a question from other media types?

Since I don't remember I'm asking because I think Jess may have made a valid point: If Perez Hilton had kept his trap shut, perhaps Carrie Prejean wouldn't now be a poster girl for the forces of bigotry.  :-\

I'm starting to have more respect for Perez Hilton just because everyone is so down on him because of this situation.
The first post quotes him as saying this, which sure doesn't seem controversial to me:

"The way miss California answered her question lost her the crown, without a doubt!" Perez told Access Hollywood after the pageant. "Never before that I'm aware of has a contestant been booed at Miss USA."

I'm still incredulous that a revolting Beauty Pageant, an embarrassment at the best of times, should garner such attention.

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Re: Gay Marriage Sinks Miss California's shot at Crown
« Reply #175 on: May 01, 2009, 01:21:22 pm »
Chicken cutlets?  ???

 :P
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Re: Gay Marriage Sinks Miss California's shot at Crown
« Reply #176 on: May 01, 2009, 01:23:54 pm »

Perez H. asked the question the contestant chose randomly, right?  He did not formulate the question on the spot to trick her into airing her beliefs, right?  At least, that is my understanding.

As I see it, the problem is not that she was asked to express her views on gay marriage.  She gave an answer that I and many others disagree with.  Fine.

The problem is Perez Hilton.
He could have withheld from calling her "a dumb bitch" in an interview and posting nastigrams about her on his vlog.  He was undoubtedly (& unfortunately) perceived by some, as the face of 'gay activism' in this case.   His juvenile attitude turned what could've been a passing comment into much more.  The reaction - Miss Cali becomes a 'martyr to her beliefs' and the new Anita Bryant for the 'anti-gay marriage movement'.  He should've known better.

As for Miss California, she has been quoted as saying:
"... I think that there should be rights for people, you know, especially in California. I think that people that are homosexual should have some rights, you know, hospital rights, and things like that."   (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,518574,00.html)

Dang. How touching. 



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Re: Gay Marriage Sinks Miss California's shot at Crown
« Reply #177 on: May 01, 2009, 02:15:23 pm »
As for Miss California, she has been quoted as saying:
"... I think that there should be rights for people, you know, especially in California. I think that people that are homosexual should have some rights, you know, hospital rights, and things like that."   (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,518574,00.html)

Dang. How touching. 

Wow. She must be a graduate of the Sarah Palin School of Public Speaking.
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Re: Gay Marriage Sinks Miss California's shot at Crown
« Reply #178 on: May 01, 2009, 02:47:00 pm »
Chicken cutlets?  ???

 :P

I'm trying to figure out if they are the frozen ones and if they are... do they unfreeze them before the pageant event and do they get reused?  Also, "cooked or uncooked"?
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Re: Gay Marriage Sinks Miss California's shot at Crown
« Reply #179 on: May 01, 2009, 02:55:24 pm »
Also, "cooked or uncooked"?

My guess would be raw.  :P
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