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Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« on: May 21, 2009, 10:45:30 am »
Howdy everyone,

I just popped in to check on whether anyone was talking about the American Idol upset last night but didn't find anything so here goes...

I never was a big fan of the show before but Adam Lambert made me take notice. His incredible talent, star power, and down-to-earth genuine niceness (from what others have said and what he projects onstage) were all far above and beyond everyone else on the show.  It was so great to see someone up there who didn't look like everyone else and wasn't afraid to show himself to the world.

It was a no-brainer for him to deserve the title but it appears that America was not ready for a (likely) gay or bi glam-rock goth-looking banshee-wailing musical theater powerhouse of a male singer to win this thing. But Adam will be fine. He's going straight to the top and not looking back and I'm happy for him. I hope he kills as Elvis on Broadway or something like it, and everything else he's got up his sleeve. It's just a bummer that all the teenage girls and conservatives who voted for Kris couldn't appreciate the artistry and talent standing in front of them because they're scared of a little black nail polish and guyliner. Reminds me of the Oscar debacle with Crash. A change is gonna come; I just wonder when.



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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2009, 10:53:41 am »
I've never watched the show but I would have voted for Kris, too, because I think he's cuter.  ;)  ;D

I'd just rather have a cute boy playing acoustic guitar at me than a glam-rocker wailing at me.  ;D

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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2009, 11:11:12 am »
I haven't watched the show since the first season, but I've noticed that the second-place singers often go on to do very well (not in the first season, though).


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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2009, 11:14:38 am »
Agreed, serious crayons.

Here's a good blog post about the whole thing:

http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/realityrocks/178713/america-gets-it-wrong-kris-allen-wins-idol/

and for all those who think Adam is only a glam rocker, he's also done brilliantly with softer ballads like "Dust in the Wind" and religious material (just look on YouTube). Like many have said, he could sing the phone book and put everyone else to shame.
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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2009, 11:57:31 am »
It was also pointed out on the Today show this morning that Adam has been performing since he was, like, 10 years old. He's already a professional. I understood the commentator to tell Matt Lauer and Meredith Vieira that Kris wasn't. So Kris surreptitiously fulfilled the audience's dreams in a way that Adam couldn't.
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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2009, 04:43:22 pm »
All of this: IMO

Adam never improved. WHY? Because he was perfect from the very beginning. I mean TOTALLY PERFECT. He was already in a league above each and every one of the others. He was also quite gorgeous---look at his smile.

The audience saw Kris (cuter than cute Kris) "becoming". They took the trip with him, and it endeared him to people.

I was stunned that Kris won, and I cried because I was happy for him, but I cried because I really think that Adam deserved it so much too. It was very confusing because I was rooting for both of them.

They became good friends and either one would have been happy for the other. Genuinely. Adam was happy for Kris.

They both seem like super nice guys. They'll both do great and they'll both get a recording contract.

Plus---they both got a 2010 Ford Fusion hybrid.  ;D


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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2009, 07:20:40 pm »




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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2009, 07:23:09 pm »


The two AI finalists together. Adam is really tall. He was taller than everyone else on the show.
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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2009, 07:27:48 pm »
It was a no-brainer for him to deserve the title but it appears that America was not ready for a (likely) gay or bi glam-rock goth-looking banshee-wailing musical theater powerhouse of a male singer to win this thing.

I really don't think his sexual orientation is an issue here. But we'll really never know.
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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2009, 07:41:15 pm »
Here's what the New York Times has to say, FWIW:

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It’s possible that “American Idol” viewers’ selection of Kris Allen over Adam Lambert says something about the mood and mores of the country, that viewers are too conformist to anoint a sassy, androgynous individualist. Then again, maybe not: Mr. Allen’s victory may merely reflect the voters’ conventional taste in pop music.

The choice of Mr. Allen, revealed during the two-hour finale on Fox on Wednesday night, wasn’t a breakthrough decision, even if a record 100 million votes were cast. The winsome Mr. Allen sings well, but he sounds like a lot of other good singers. Mr. Lambert, who tops his singing with a soulful screech somewhere between the blues and a smoke alarm, was like no one else.


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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2009, 08:28:58 pm »
Well, I strongly suspected Adam was gay, but I was cheering for Kris. And like Shasta, I liked them both and I wish somehow BOTH of them could have won.

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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2009, 08:54:17 pm »
I wanted Adam to win,  :'(
I never thought I would live to see the day, when another vocalist could take a Led. Zep. song and out perform Robert Plant.
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Back on topic, it may well be to Adam's advantage that he did not win, now he can choose to sing whatever he wants, unfettered by the chains of A.I. and the mighty greenback.
I look forward to hearing his amazing voice for years to come and hope that like Will Young, back in the U.K, he will have the courage to come out, loud and proud if that is indeed his inclination.
Kris is cute and can definitely knock out a melody or two, but IMHO he is not in the same league as Adam.


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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2009, 08:56:53 pm »
I was so excited when Ryan Seacrest announced Kris as the winner.  OMG i could not believe it.  I thought for sure Adam would get it, but Im happy Chris did.  Chris is guarenteed a recording deal, but Adam as been approached too.  

AI gave Adam the venue to be noticed and now very famous.  More famous than Chris, but I so loved Chris' rendition of a kanye West's song.  Im not sure of the name of the song, but Chris' performance blew me away.

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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2009, 09:30:27 pm »
I was absolutely astonished when Kris won over Adam. They are not in the same league.

I have watched American Idol all the way thru from the auditions, and always thought Adam stood out.

On the last show, when Kris sang, he sounded like thousands of other singers, nothing unique, nothing exeptional, just a good singer. He may end up a one or two hit wonder, but unless he can come up with something special he will fade into oblivion.

But Adam, he can do anything, and puts his own mark on everything he does. I could easily sit and watch a full show of just him. He definately wont need the American Idol crown to be a super star, and Im sure we will be hearing more of him for years to come.

And, the song that they both sang, which is to become the first single........bloody awful. But no doubt, will become a hit. In my opinion it was not good enough for Adam's talent, but its plainness suited Kris well.

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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2009, 10:42:07 pm »
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Quote from the New York Times: Mr. Lambert, who tops his singing with a soulful screech somewhere between the blues and a smoke alarm, was like no one else.

 :o  Eeeew.  :P
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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2009, 11:08:54 pm »
"Screeches like a smoke alarm"? ???

Wait. Don't tell me. Somebody at the NY Times is pissed about Adam's loss. ;)

 
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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2009, 11:18:37 pm »
While I do think Adam goes for the highest notes at the drop of a hat and too early, I can see that it's worked for him in terms of getting noyiced, and he will probably learn to use it more judiciously so as not to turn people off like it's the only thing he does.

To Shasta, I agree that he came in pretty damn near perfect but he did mention how Kara (and probably others) taught him something about keeping your emotions a bit more internal when performing for the camera vs in the theater when everyone is so far away and you have to ratchet up the reactions so people can "read" you from hundreds of feet away. It's not always obvious that he's using that direction but he seems to take critiques well so how are we to know what he might have done that was even more over the top?

Yes, Adam's been performing since he was 10 but that does not mean he was a household name or had a record contract. He did this show to get his name out there because it was only known in small circles in Cali, and he bloody well deserved to win. Most of the people on the show (and certainly many on other shows like "So You Think You Can Dance") have been training and performing all of their lives but it's not the same as being able to make a decent living at it or have any measure of creative control. I think it says a lot for him that he's been developing himself that way for so long, had the passion to go the distance, and the wisdom to know when he was and was not ready for this stage of his career.
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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2009, 11:41:25 pm »
there is no doubt in my mind that he will become a star....as has happened in the past with other runner ups. I wonder if the spotlight and the expectations of being the winner doesn't cause more harm than good long term. Adam got enormous exposure and name recognition and is now 'free' to develop further and make something out of this.


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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2009, 11:46:39 pm »
I was so excited when Ryan Seacrest announced Kris as the winner.  OMG i could not believe it.  I thought for sure Adam would get it, but Im happy Chris did.  Chris is guarenteed a recording deal, but Adam as been approached too.  

AI gave Adam the venue to be noticed and now very famous.  More famous than Chris, but I so loved Chris' rendition of a kanye West's song.  Im not sure of the name of the song, but Chris' performance blew me away.

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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2009, 11:57:49 pm »
Here's what some Sand Diego Opera staff had to say about Adam Lambert:

http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2009-05-12/things-to-do/opera-experts-rate-american-idols-adam-lambert

Opera experts rate “Idol’s” Adam Lambert
Does San Diego's favorite finalist have the chops to become a superstar?

By Valerie Scher, SDNN

As an “American Idol” finalist, San Diego’s Adam Lambert is accustomed to performing for Simon, Paula, Kara and Randy. But he probably never faced a panel of opera experts. Until now.

SDNN thought it would be fun to have an operatic panel assess everything from Adam’s voice and looks to his charisma. The idea isn’t to be snobby or snarky. Everyone knows he’s talented. And nobody expects the guy to be the next King of the High C’s.
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The point is to provide some insights into his appeal and assess whether “American Idol’s” glam prince has what takes to become a superstar.

So meet the judges and find out what they have to say.

Nicolas Reveles, Geisel Director of Education and Outreach at San Diego Opera

Adam’s voice: As an opera professional this is probably going to sound strange, but I love his voice! I imagine he’s a baritone but he masks that with a terrific head voice (falsetto) that is incredibly well trained, fluid and able to communicate emotionally. It’s particularly good in his slower, lyric numbers like “The Tracks of My Tears” and “Mad World”. I also reviewed his performance of “Black and White,” where it seemed to me that at times he was driving the voice a little hard. But one has to accept that with pop and rock singers. His pitch is excellent, even in those crazy “coloratura-like” passages; the only pitch issue I had was with the initial moment of the very last note in “Mad World” but he obviously heard the problem and fixed it on the spot. That was very professional, very self-aware, and it’s something that opera singers often have happen to them as well. So he’s in good company.

His looks: Adam has a distinctive look that makes him stand out from the crowd and this is all to his benefit for a career in pop music. He’s attractive but mysterious and has a kind of “dark” thing going for him that makes audiences want to know more about him. The only thing that I’d caution him on would be that he’s a bit wide in the hips and tends to a bit of pudginess in the face. He’ll have to continually work with hair stylists and wardrobe designers to minimize these features. I foresee what happened to Elvis in his later years if Adam doesn’t carefully watch his physique. But when he wins “American Idol” (that’s “when,” not “if,” as far as I’m concerned), he’ll have plenty of money for a physical trainer!

Charisma: Adam Lambert has the world on a string. He moves with incredible sex appeal but shows us moments of vulnerability and purity as well. The audience obviously loves him, and so does the camera. He knows that and he works it honestly without coming off as a poseur. I feel like he’s serving the song every time he steps up to the mic. He most certainly has that certain something, that rare combination of talent, ability to communicate on many levels, an interior sense of a song, inherent musicianship and cockiness that demands attention from an audience and offers it something new.

Mini-review: I chose “The Tracks of My Tears,” which can be downloaded from iTunes. Adam’s diction in this song is impeccable, something that’s the hallmark of a great singer in any genre (Frank Sinatra and Ella Fitzgerald come to mind, but also Renee Fleming and Bryn Terfel). That ability helps him to bend syllables and color certain words, making the communication of the overall song a joy to experience. He seems as if he’s improvising his embellishments (”licks”) on the spot; it doesn’t matter if they’re plotted within an inch of their lives. He makes it seem completely fresh which, after all, is the whole point. The phrasing makes me realize that he knows this song from the inside and is letting us in on the secret of the song, giving us some precious insight that only he might have known before. The register breaks in his falsetto are masterfully covered so that everything sounds seamless and perfectly legato. A wonderful, engaging and touching performance.

Chances of becoming a superstar: High. This guy’s going to become a major star, no question about it. And I’ll tell you a secret: I will probably buy his first solo album. There. I said it.

Leon Natker, General Director of Lyric Opera San Diego

Adam’s voice: Adam is a Broadway-style lyric tenor. He supports his voice well, which is no small achievement in heavy metal rock. He also doesn’t rely on falsetto tricks in the upper register; he’s really singing the notes with his full voice. His diction in Led Zeppelin’s “Whole Lotta Love” is better than the original recording so he definitely is trying to communicate with an audience. He has been on the road with “Wicked” so we know he has the stamina to last eight performances a week. It’s hard to tell from recorded media how big the voice is but it clearly has potential on a microphone. My questions would be: How long can he do this style of singing and is it the best style for his voice and for a long career? He seems to have the voice under control; I think it’s a matter of choices for him. What does Adam want in ten years?

His looks: I know the “Idol” staff styles these kids and I have to wonder what they’re really going for with Adam’s “look.” We all can tell that they’re thinking of him as a Rock Star but are the make-up and the funky hair the best they could do? Appearance in the pop scene is very important; I just don’t see whom this look appeals to.

Charisma: I’m probably the wrong person to ask this. He has a great deal of energy and charisma when he performs. He clearly is comfortable in front of an audience. I just don’t know whom it appeals to. Of course I’m not in the business of selling pop CDs to a very young age demographic.

Mini-review: I watched his performance of Led Zeppelin’s “Whole Lotta Love.” His voice was right on pitch and well supported, his diction was excellent and for that type of number I think his phrasing was good. Many rockers breathe at awkward moments because they’re pushing the voice and are out of breath. Adam doesn’t have this issue. I think it’s a good rendition of that heavy metal style of singing.

Chances of becoming a major star: Medium.

Valerie Scher, the SDNN Arts & Entertainment editor and a San Diego correspondent for London-based Opera magazine

Adam’s voice: Impressive. But not easy to categorize. Adam has tenor-like qualities along with some of the darker shadings of a baritone. He can also soar into the stratosphere with a fearless falsetto. Lean, supple and attractive, his voice is versatile enough for a variety of styles. And his attentiveness to pitch, phrasing and breath control indicates he’s combining his musical instincts with a firmly grounded technique. That should prolong his career.

His looks: Dark nail polish and glittery guyliner may not work for everyone, especially someone singing Mozart or Massenet at New York’s Metropolitan Opera. But it works for Adam. If anything, his kind of androgynous chic has expanded his fan base. Combine the shaggy black hair, skin-tight pants and leathery jackets with an unpretentious, nice-guy persona and you get a singer who looks like a bad boy without being scary.

Charisma: Are you kidding? Adam oozes charisma. If he could bottle the stuff, he would make a fortune. That kind of allure can’t be faked. Some of it has to do with confidence, the way a performer takes command of the stage. Legendary opera singers from Caruso to Pavarotti had that ability. Adam has it, too. He seems comfortable with who he is and attuned to his own aesthetic. He almost dares you to watch and see what he can do. And people are watching, by the millions.

Mini-review: I picked “Born to Be Wild,” the Steppenwolf classic that’s often credited with being the first heavy-metal song. What I like about Adam’s version is that it blends wildness and control, passion and sophistication. Much like an opera singer enhances a melodic line with ornamentation, Adam supplies his own virtuosic flair. He bends notes, makes wide leaps, adds elaborate embellishments and pumps up the volume to an ear-tingling fortissimo. It’s all proof of his vocal mastery.

Chances of becoming a major star: Medium to high. The reason I’m hedging is that the pop music world is notoriously fickle. Unlike opera, where singers often perform year after year, even decade after decade, pop music is always hungry for the next big thrill, the newest sensation. Yet one thing appears certain. Adam has loyal fans in San Diego. And they appreciate him for all he has to offer. Rock on, Adam!

Valerie Scher is the SDNN Arts & Entertainment editor.
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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2009, 09:15:16 am »
Last evening AOL News had an analysis of Adam's loss, five reasons why he didn't win, that sort of thing. I wish I'd saved or copied it, but the most memorable point--or, rather, the point that stuck with me--was that perhaps Kris is simply more the type that teenage girls go for than Adam.

Like the teenage girls swooning over Robert Pattinson in Twilight. ...

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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2009, 10:27:04 am »
It was directly stated on the Australian nation-wide evening news tonight that, with his mascara and black nail varnish, Adam lost because he was just "too gay for America."   :-\
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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2009, 10:36:05 am »
It was directly stated on the Australian nation-wide evening news tonight that, with his mascara and black nail varnish, Adam lost because he was just "too gay for America."   :-\

Interesting. I thought the whole "emo-kid"/metrosexual thing was in right now. Maybe its just not popular with that broad a fan-base yet.
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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2009, 10:59:48 am »
Thank you, milomorris, for the great reprint of the review of Adam's voice and charisma from the Opera professionals. Very enlightening!
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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #24 on: May 22, 2009, 11:16:57 am »
"TV GUIDE vieweres disaree wtih who won. 

Lambert Finishes First With TV Guide
Though he was America’s runner-up, Adam Lambert tops TV Guide magazine’s list of most desired Memorial Day guests. Among their choices of invitees from the television and reality realm, Lambert beat out Pam and Jim from NBC’s The Office and Bree Hodge from ABC’s Desperate Housewives as the most sought after weekend guest for TV’s all-star BBQ.

Lambert was also a winner according to the magazine’s online hot topic poll for the day. In response to the question, “Do you think America got it right on American Idol?” 53% responded “No.” "

http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid85195.asp

Personally, I think after the Ms California thing, many of the Christian right types thought this would be a chance for payback. Afterall, they think gays are on a roll (with new states granting same sex marriage, civil unions, etc etc).

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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #25 on: May 22, 2009, 11:47:28 am »
Personally, I think after the Ms California thing, many of the Christian right types thought this would be a chance for payback. Afterall, they think gays are on a roll (with new states granting same sex marriage, civil unions, etc etc).

"Payback???" I really don't think we know enough about the voting audience of American Idol to say that there was any anti-gay factor in this. Besides, do we know for sure that Lambert is gay? Do we know that he is perceived to be gay by the voting audience?

There might not be any trouble here from a gay/straight perspective, and I don't think its wise to stir any up.
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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #26 on: May 22, 2009, 05:47:24 pm »

 A cute Post-finale moment...  :)


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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #27 on: May 22, 2009, 08:28:55 pm »
Awesome, just awesome. That speaks volumes for Adam's and Kris's sweet, genuine down-to-earthness and I'm glad for them. May they stay that way!!

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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #28 on: May 22, 2009, 08:55:25 pm »
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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #29 on: May 22, 2009, 09:52:23 pm »
uh oh...

http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/realityrocks/215180/aikens-lambert-rant-claymate-turns-to-clayhate/
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Clay Aiken and Adam Lambert's names have been linked quite a bit in the media lately--not just because of rumors (reported in the Chicago Sun-Times last week) that Clay actually wanted to record a duet with Adam, but because after Adam's shocking second-place finish on American Idol this week, many Lambert supporters have predicted that Adam will follow in Clay's footsteps and ultimately be more successful than the singer who actually won this year, Kris Allen.

But yesterday on his official website, ClayOnline.com, Clay Aiken made it clear in a personal blog titled "Silence Broken" that he is not a Lambert supporter at all.

Posting in the subscription-only "Ultimate Membership" section of his site, Clay responded to a fan's query about his opinions on Wednesday night's Idol finale with this rant:

"Now that it's all over, and for the record.... I couldn't be happier about the way AI ended this year. I only turn the show on once a season, and only to see what the set looks like each year. This year, I happened to turn it during the minute that Adam Lambert was singing 'Ring of Fire' and, at that moment, thought my ears would bleed. Contrived, awful, and slightly frightening! I wasn't really a fan and found myself surprised whenever folks told me that they liked him. Granted, I never saw another performance (and many folks who I trust said that he was great) but I can't imagine I would have enjoyed it. Just not my cup of tea at all. To each his own. I never saw Kris sing on the show, but whether he was good or not is really relative. It's usually a matter of taste, right? But Idol is not always a matter of musical taste only. It's about the person you like. From what little I saw, Kris seemed likable. (That's not to say that Adam isn't just as likable as anyone.. maybe more so... I don't know) When Ruben and I were standing next to each other every night (many years ago) you had two equally talented, equally unlikely, equally unpolished contestants.... so it really was a matter of taste as to who was voted for. While some may argue that one of us was hyped more than the other, I don't feel that was the case. However, this year, there was an obvious bias. Not even having watched the show, I can tell you that I was WELL aware of the bias from the judges as to who should win. In my opinion, that is awfully unattractive. I don't think I am alone."

Wow! And...MEOW!

Surely some will jump to the conclusion that Clay's bitter post was spurned by his un-amicable split with BMG and 19 Entertainment, or by 19's rumored attempts to prevent Clay from collaborating with Adam. And it does seem that if there's any "feud" going on here, it's between Clay and the Idol machine, not Clay and Adam himself.
The blog continues:

"In my opinion, it all often comes down to that last night of voting. Until the finale, folks are voting for the contestant that they want to see continue. But, I believe that on that last night, the dynamic changes. No longer forced to choose one person that they want to see win, the audience can effectively vote AGAINST the person that they don't want to see win. In the case of season two this might have happened. There may have been some folks who voted for myself or Ruben because they didn't like the other of us. I was the nerdy little girly boy who some didn't want to see win, so they may have voted for Ruben. I don't know. .. But again, I feel that Ruben and I were fairly matched. We both had our detractors and negatives, but I feel we were both very worthy of being on that stage in that moment, and either of us would have been worthy of winning. The show was different then, and folks made it in seasons 1-3 because they were 'real' people who happened to sing/entertain well. But, somewhere along the way, AI stopped being about real people.

In a battle between David and Goliath, my money is on David!

I think many voters got sick of being 'told who to vote for'. I think many were turned off by the blatant favoritism shown towards one contestant. Therefore, on that last night, they used their votes against a contestant that they were tired of hearing about and for the contestant who had been written off. And, at the same time, I think they voted AGAINST an American Idol that has, for four years now, been more about the slick productions and polished contestants than it has been about finding the raw talent that it did in its first three seasons.

Those votes for Kris were also votes to return the show to its roots of finding 'real' contestants with undiscovered talent and giving them the chance to grow and shine. They were votes that said 'we're tired of seeing contestants who already seem to know it all'.

Will American Idol choose to listen to the resounding and clarion call that those voters gave them?.... 'Enough with the pretention. More Rubens, more Clays, more Fantasias and Tamyras and Kellys please.' My faith has always been in the voters. I think they have gotten it right every year (mine included). It's now up to American Idol to decide if it will finally REALLY listen to the folks that keep it on the air."

Hmmm...but you know, maybe Clay's motives aren't so sinister after all. Maybe (despite his claim that he never saw Kris perform on the show, which seems odd) he just prefers Kris Allen's music--which, like Clay's, is pretty safe, sweet, and mellow. However, if Clay WAS trying to record a duet with Adam, this blog sure isn't going to help his chances. Maybe he should try to collaborate with Kris instead?

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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #30 on: May 22, 2009, 11:36:31 pm »
Thats a hell of a lot to say about someone who he only saw one performance of.

If he had seen any more, he would realize that a new Super Star is on the horizon.
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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #31 on: May 22, 2009, 11:59:15 pm »
Thats a hell of a lot to say about someone who he only saw one performance of.

If he had seen any more, he would realize that a new Super Star is on the horizon.

I am not sure what his problem is!

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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #32 on: May 23, 2009, 12:04:26 am »
I am not sure what his problem is!

Cant stand the competiton I guess. Maybe the thougt that people will buy Adam's recordings, and he might miss out.

For ANYONE, anyone......anyone, to say that Adam has not got talent, he must be tone bloody deaf and half bloody blind.
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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #33 on: May 23, 2009, 12:25:28 am »
Cant stand the competiton I guess. Maybe the thougt that people will buy Adam's recordings, and he might miss out.

For ANYONE, anyone......anyone, to say that Adam has not got talent, he must be tone bloody deaf and half bloody blind.

so you are saying you voted for Kris then?

 ;D ;D :laugh:

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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #34 on: May 23, 2009, 02:05:03 am »
so you are saying you voted for Kris then?

 ;D ;D :laugh:

hahhahahha.......we cant vote from Australia.
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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2009, 02:29:30 am »
hahhahahha.......we cant vote from Australia.

Why not Sue? That doesn't seem fair! >:(

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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #36 on: May 23, 2009, 03:01:39 am »
Well, we dont get it live.......live would be at 10am in the morning, so we dont get it until 7.30 our night, so thats nine and a half hours after America. Same with the result shows, so I look it up on the news, and know the result before I watch the show.

The FINAL result show was live here though, so I had to watch in shock as Kris won.

We have our own version over here....Australian Idol, which should start in the next month or so, and I watch that from the auditions as well.....and we can vote in that......but I never have voted.
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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #37 on: May 23, 2009, 07:19:23 am »
Awesome, just awesome. That speaks volumes for Adam's and Kris's sweet, genuine down-to-earthness and I'm glad for them. May they stay that way!!



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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #38 on: May 23, 2009, 07:29:16 am »
A cute Post-finale moment...  :)


[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vdrl66RI0bc[/youtube]
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« Reply #39 on: May 25, 2009, 06:35:17 pm »
http://tv.yahoo.com/contributor/2461071/news/urn:newsml:tv.tvguide.com:20090525:1006316__ER:1

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If you thought Adam Lambert looked like a natural fit with iconic rockers Queen during American Idol's finale, you weren't the only one.

Hours after it was announced that Lambert was Season 8's runner-up last week, widespread speculation began circulating that the 26-year-old singer had been offered a job as Queen's new front man. While that's not true yet, guitarist Brian May isn't ruling out the possibility.

"Amongst all that furor, there wasn't really a quiet moment to talk. But [drummer Roger Taylor] and I are definitely hoping to have a meaningful conversation with him at some point," May told Rolling Stone. "It's not like we, as Queen, would rush into coalescing with another singer just like that. It isn't that easy. But I'd certainly like to work with Adam. That is one amazing instrument he has there."

Queen recently ended a four-year relationship with Paul Rodgers, who was handling the vocal duties for the band.

Lambert auditioned for Idol with Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody" and instantly became a buzzed-about contender for the show's Top 36. His revved-up, glam-rock numbers and hauntingly restrained ballads made him the front-runner all season before ultimately coming up short. While the show has produced more pop artists than rockers, May recognizes that springboard it provides young artists.

For now, Lambert must first complete the 50-city tour with his fellow Top 10 members, and the Idol producers, 19 Entertainment, will likely have first dibs on anything Lambert does next. May said whatever happens, he's excited to see what Lambert and Idol winner Kris Allen (who also shared the stage during "We Are the Champions") do next.

"Both those boys are well worthy of big success," May said. "So it's pointless for someone like me to stand on the sidelines jeering. I'm confident Adam will make great use of this wonderful opportunity. I hope I'm there to see it."

what do you think?

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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #40 on: May 25, 2009, 06:44:11 pm »
I caught wind of this the night of the final results on blogs...I would imagine that Adam might do a song with them to see what happens, maybe a single, like a re-release of an old Queen song or something, but I think it's premature to speculate on something long term like that right away for Adam given the wide-open possibilities and the short-term obligations he has with 19E. He probably wants his own band, or a solo career, and might also really want to do something on Broadway, which could last a long time. Personally I just hope he and Allison Iraheta do a duet on his/her first album. That will rock.

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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #41 on: May 27, 2009, 11:35:29 am »
So the final vote WAS rigged after all. Interesting:  http://perezhilton.com/2009-05-27-idol-controversy-att-cheats


According to The New York Times, recently crowned champ Kris Allen may have had some help winning American Idol courtesy of corporate sponsor AT&T.

AT&T provided free phones for text messaging at two finale parties supporting Kris Allen in Arkansas. The phone company even showed guests how to "power text," which allows one to text 10 votes at the touch of a button and violates the show's rules.

No free texting services were offered to Adam Lambert supporters which has caused speculation that the competition was rigged!

Fox has not commented on the accusations but AT&T stated, "In Arkansas, we were invited to attend the local watch parties organized by the community. A few local employees brought a small number of demo phones with them and provided texting tutorials to those who were interested."

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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #42 on: May 27, 2009, 12:29:17 pm »
I know!  I read this its right on my Yahoo homepage.  Wonder how this is all gonna pan out for Chris and Adam?!

IMO I think Chris and Adam are more than just friends.  I one of the hollywood gossip channels Paula said there's a love affair going on.

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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #43 on: May 27, 2009, 02:22:47 pm »
I know!  I read this its right on my Yahoo homepage.  Wonder how this is all gonna pan out for Chris and Adam?!

IMO I think Chris and Adam are more than just friends.  I one of the hollywood gossip channels Paula said there's a love affair going on.


Cute couple if it's true.  I can't believe that Adam is apparently publicly in the closet yet privately out of the closet, whatever that means.  ??? (Anyway, he's too fey to be an androphile   ;D)

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Re: Adam the New Front Man for Queen??
« Reply #44 on: May 27, 2009, 02:56:50 pm »
http://tv.yahoo.com/contributor/2461071/news/urn:newsml:tv.tvguide.com:20090525:1006316__ER:1

what do you think?

Actually I didn't know Queen was still around at all. I can't quite picture Paul Rodgers as being their singer. Paul Rodgers was great with The Firm, Bad Company, and Free and even did well by himself. However, Queen's music seems like it is in a different vein than these other groups. Now as far as Adam goes, I guess I would have to see that, but it does seem more fitting. Although in the long run you cannot really ever replace Freddie Mercury as the lead singer of Queen.

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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #45 on: May 27, 2009, 02:59:20 pm »
I know!  I read this its right on my Yahoo homepage.  Wonder how this is all gonna pan out for Chris and Adam?!

IMO I think Chris and Adam are more than just friends.  I one of the hollywood gossip channels Paula said there's a love affair going on.

That would be funny. Would that be like a uniting of the red and blue states  :laugh:

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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #46 on: May 27, 2009, 07:41:14 pm »
I know!  I read this its right on my Yahoo homepage.  Wonder how this is all gonna pan out for Chris and Adam?!

IMO I think Chris and Adam are more than just friends.  I one of the hollywood gossip channels Paula said there's a love affair going on.

you know I had that thought the other night....that would be something wouldnt' it?

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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #47 on: May 27, 2009, 09:26:05 pm »
(Anyway, he's too fey to be an androphile   ;D)

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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #48 on: May 27, 2009, 11:20:11 pm »
you know I had that thought the other night....that would be something wouldnt' it?

Oh codswallop.......just because a bloke who is presumed gay, puts his arm around another bloke, does not mean they are into a relationship.
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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #49 on: May 27, 2009, 11:37:45 pm »
Oh codswallop.......just because a bloke who is presumed gay, puts his arm around another bloke, does not mean they are into a relationship.

yeah, well my intuition was telling me something...and obviously I wasn't the ONLY one!

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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #50 on: May 28, 2009, 03:11:29 am »
I know!  I read this its right on my Yahoo homepage.  Wonder how this is all gonna pan out for Chris and Adam?!

IMO I think Chris and Adam are more than just friends.  I one of the hollywood gossip channels Paula said there's a love affair going on.

Huh? Say what?

I'm intrigued.

What else did she say? Don't stop now honey! :D

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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #51 on: May 28, 2009, 03:15:31 am »
yeah, well my intuition was telling me something...and obviously I wasn't the ONLY one!

Me too Jess!

I'd love to hear more about it. Adam has been pinging my gaydar since God was a child... but Kris?

Please keep us updated! This is fascinating! :D

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Re: Adam loses to Kris on Idol...reminiscent of anything?
« Reply #52 on: May 30, 2009, 02:37:00 am »
well Adam's sexuality is no longer a question:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/29/adam-lambert-openly-gay-p_n_208983.html

American Idol' runner-up Adam Lambert is not only openly gay, he is planning a Rolling Stone cover to confirm it after months of speculation, reports the NY Post.

'Idol' judge Kara DioGuardi is on a pretaped 'View' airing Friday, and during her sit-down she says he is out.

"I don't think that Adam was ever in [the closet]," she tells the ladies. "I think he was always openly out."

Meanwhile, Friday's NY Post reports he will be on the cover of next week's Rolling Stone.

    "AMERICAN Idol" runner-up Adam Lambert has steadfastly refused to talk about his sexuality despite photos of him on his Web site tongue-kissing men and dressed in full drag -- but not for much longer. A well-placed magazine source tells Page Six that Lambert will be coming out officially on the next cover of Rolling Stone.

Neither Rolling Stone or Lambert's rep confirmed the cover news when called by the paper.
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