Tale of a 19th-century abortion provider

[Mikaela]

No, it isn't. I should rather have said; This article reinforces my view.

[serious crayons]

No, it isn't. I should rather have said; This article reinforces my view.

OK, thanks. That's what I figured you meant, but I wanted to make sure. 

[Penthesilea]

Thanks for asking back, K and for clarifying, M. I also wondered.

[delalluvia]

Denying women free and easy access to contraception and/or abortion is and has always been repression of women, pure and simple and heinous. Patriarchal society, taking the control of their bodies away from the women themselves. It represents misogyny and nothing else. That is and will remain my personal opinion.

Articles such as this one does nothing to change my view.

Calling the repression of women pro-life is and has always been disingenuous IMO. I wonder how many children born because Ann Lohmann couldn't provide her services any more did actually receive support,compassion and help to improve their lives from Mr. Comstock and his ilk? I bet all those male pillars of morality ever contributed was shaming the unwed mothers (and making ample use of their services if they were forced into prostitution to support themselves and their child), and making sure those children felt the stigma of being illegitimate all their lives.

Agree.  It's all about control, IMO.  I've stopped calling them "pro-life" and started calling them "anti-choice".

[Monika]

Agree.  It's all about control, IMO.  I've stopped calling them "pro-life" and started calling them "anti-choice".

I fully agree

[Mikaela]

Yup. I'm calling them anti-choice too, have done so for quite a while, because that's what it's really all about.

I've been chagrined to see how easily both sides in the debate has accepted and respected the abortion opponents' use of "pro-life".

I remember driving into Denver last year I saw a car in front of us with this big bumper sticker with the picture of a foetus and the words "Woman, behold your son" pus some "pro-life" logo. It made a deep impression on me to witness a person who would use his religion to try to make random women who saw that sticker feel guilt and remorse over making a very difficult personal choice. To me that was all about trying to shame vulnerable women he happened to come across, and making them doubt their own decision-making powers, robbing them of their integrity. He probably felt like a bigger, better person for displaying that sticker. 

[delalluvia]

It made a deep impression on me to witness a person who would use his religion to try to make random women who saw that sticker feel guilt and remorse over making a very difficult personal choice. To me that was all about trying to shame vulnerable women he happened to come across, and making them doubt their own decision-making powers, robbing them of their integrity. He probably felt like a bigger, better person for displaying that sticker.

And robbing them of their peace of mind.  Basically it was a below the belt emotional punch.  You're exactly right, Mikaela, that's exactly what that bumper sticker's message was.  The driver probably not only felt self-righteous about that bumper sticker, he - and it was likely a he - was all about showing women their "place" - at the mercy of a shame culture.

[Mikaela]

It was a "he" - I caught a few glimpses of the driver.

[Shasta542]

Agree.  It's all about control, IMO.  I've stopped calling them "pro-life" and started calling them "anti-choice".

With the pro-life and the pro-choice monikers---both are noted as positives. If you choose to call the pro-lifers "anti-choice" -- then you won't mind being called "anti-life"?

[Monika]

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Aren´t you forgetting that the person in this scenario, that is undoubtfully "alive" is the woman?