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Paramount dumps Tom Cruise: Finally!
« on: August 23, 2006, 05:45:49 am »
For those who care: Paramounts Pictures dumped Tom Cruise because of his bizarre sofa jumping stunt on Oprah, according to IMDb. 


Paramount Dumps Cruise

Tom Cruise has been unceremoniously dumped by his Paramount studio partners for his sofa-jumping antics on TV. Revered Paramount boss Sumner Redstone has ended his company's 14-year relationship with Cruise/Wagner Productions because he no longer wants to be associated with the movie star. Redstone tells newspaper The Wall Street Journal he believes Cruise's bizarre antics on TV shows like Oprah and Today had a negative effect on the box office take of Paramount's 2005 summer blockbuster War Of The Worlds. He snipes, "As much as we like him personally, we thought it was wrong to renew his deal... His recent conduct has not been acceptable to Paramount."


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Re: Paramount dumps Tom Cruise: Finally!
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2006, 07:52:37 am »

*snigger*

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Re: Paramount dumps Tom Cruise: Finally!
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2006, 09:50:33 am »
yeah, I agree.....his "use by date" is up..........
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« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2006, 10:33:44 am »
Nah nah nah nah
Nah nah nah nah
Hey, Hey!
Goodbye!

Really thought, Tom is okay as long as he keeps his mouth shut.
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« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2006, 09:08:43 pm »
Nah nah nah nah
Nah nah nah nah
Hey, Hey!
Goodbye!

Really thought, Tom is okay as long as he keeps his mouth shut.

........................and stops jumping on couches like a bloody idiot.........
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Re: Paramount dumps Tom Cruise: Finally!
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2006, 09:11:32 pm »
Hey we got a lot to thank Tom for...

Bringing the idiocies of scientology to the forefront of human awareness.

Demonstrating idiocy on the Oprah show which resulted in the classic house term "couch-jumper".
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« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2006, 09:25:19 pm »
Hey we got a lot to thank Tom for...

Bringing the idiocies of scientology to the forefront of human awareness.

Demonstrating idiocy on the Oprah show which resulted in the classic house term "couch-jumper".

And I'm sure Nicole has a lot to thank him for too.....most importantly...LEAVING HER

But we all must spare a thought for teeny bopper groupie Katie......
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« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2006, 10:09:32 pm »
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Re: Paramount dumps Tom Cruise: Finally!
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2006, 10:48:30 am »
Tom was so adorable in Risky Business and then he turned into....Tom Cruise.

Good for Paramount for dumping him. I hope he has invested his millions wisely, I predict his Hollywood career is kaput, at least for now.

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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2006, 06:56:17 pm »
I sure hope some of you realize that scientology is actually quite homophobic and advocates "changing" sexuality. Tom really got on my nerves and his stupidity at Oprah's show was the last straw. I'm glad he help bring scientology in the spotlight where it got exposed to be fraudulant. This was the best dumping in a long time... even better then my bestfriend dumping that abusive ex of hers.

Goodbye, Tom. I hope your career is now shot.

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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2006, 08:31:48 pm »
I recently read that the main reason Paramount dumped him is essentially belt-tightening.  MI:III made a lot of money - especially for Tom Cruise.  He had a cut of the profits and DVD sales, so he cleared like 27 mil for himself.  Studios are not very happy about actors/directors getting a rather large chunk of the profits while not having to put any cash up front - basically not risking any of their own capital for a production.

So, back to Paramount cutting back on the goodies for TC.

And he walked.
 

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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2006, 11:43:05 pm »
Well the studios are obviously putting far more money then individual actors towards it. However, I only think that is one reason. There are other reasons and that does include Cruise's outrageous attitude.

By the way, Mission Impossible III wasn't that big of a money maker..

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=mi3.htm

Counting just the domestic market, it failed to make back its money. It only made $133 million domestically, compared to its $150 million dollar budget. Chances are it did make all its money back in DVD sales, but it was not a success when it cames to the theaters.

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Re: Paramount dumps Tom Cruise: Finally!
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2006, 11:56:02 pm »
I sure hope some of you realize that scientology is actually quite homophobic and advocates "changing" sexuality. Tom really got on my nerves and his stupidity at Oprah's show was the last straw. I'm glad he help bring scientology in the spotlight where it got exposed to be fraudulant. This was the best dumping in a long time... even better then my bestfriend dumping that abusive ex of hers.

Goodbye, Tom. I hope your career is now shot.

Yes I agree with you......I dont think he made many "normal" people run out and join up to scientology........maybe they will drop him like paramount did.......
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« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2006, 12:13:08 am »
Why would normal people join scientology? There are plenty of rational explanations out there, and it isn't one of them.

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« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2006, 12:43:54 am »
There are other reasons and that does include Cruise's outrageous attitude.

I suppose, but I'm thinking in context.  Not to defend the nut or anything, but was Cruise's behavior really that 'outrageous'?

He jumped up on a couch, he blathered about psychiatry when he is no expert himself...what else?

Is this kind of attitude/behavior on the same par as getting stoned and waking up in a strange child's bed (Robert Downey, Jr.), getting busted picking up whores(Hugh Grant/Eddie Murphy), actually being a nut, wandering the countryside waiting to be picked up by aliens (Anne Heche), beating girlfriends/wives (Tom Sizemore/Jonathan Rhys-Myers, etc), lying to the grand jury (Lil Kim), shoplifting $1000s (Winona Ryder), running over a little kid in her car (Rebecca Gayhart)?
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« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2006, 01:20:17 am »
This from the Huffinton Post.  I have to say with everything going on in the world, It’s pretty pathetic that Tom-I can’t act –Cruise is still able to make headline news.



Who's Crazier: Viacom or Tom Cruise?

If there’s suddenly a litmus test for insanity to be administered by the owners of Hollywood movie studios, then start with the executive suites. That’s my reaction to the are-you-shitting-me pronouncement by Viacom Inc. chairman Sumner Redstone today that his Paramount Pictures is terminating its 14-year relationship with Tom “Crazy” Cruise’s production company because the actor’s controversial and erratic off-screen behavior hurt the theatrical grosses of "Mission Impossible 3. Of course, the studio's publicity department worked overtime all summer to dispel just that notion whenever entertainment business reporters questioned whether Cruise's loony tunes might affect his appeal. "As much as we like him personally, we thought it was wrong to renew his deal," Mr. Redstone said in an interview with the Wall Street Journal. "His recent conduct has not been acceptable to Paramount."

Granted Redstone was on a Rocky Mountain high, making his remarks in the thin air of Aspen Summit 2006 where his company was presenting before the digital world. And, granted, the octogenarian was seen wandering dazed and confused into the kitchen of The Grill in Beverly Hills not long ago. But, for the moment, I’ll assume he had all his mental faculties intact when he made his statement to the Journal. So, if I were a Viacom shareholder, I’d be asking Ol’ Sumner right now: Are you nuts? Fine, don’t do business anymore with the freakish dwarf actor who’ll never own an Oscar unless he buys one at auction and who gets an exorbitant amount for each movie. But why the fuck are you setting up his legal piranha (Bert Fields, who’s never lost a case) for what could well be the biggest lawsuit ever to hit Hollywood? (UPDATE: Bert's saying he won't sue.)

Already Cruise’s producing partner Paula Wagner called Redstone’s remarks "outrageous and disrespectful" and disputed his account of what happened during the negotiations to renew their studio pact. Not only did she claim Cruise / Wagner Productions terminated their talks with Paramount earlier in the week, but she said the time had come for Cruise and her to strike out on their own with an independent production deal financed to the tune of $100 million by two hedge funds. This might even be true. Meanwhile, everyone inside Paramount was diving for cover after Redstone’s remarks hit the wires, referring reporters to Viacom’s mealy mouthpiece Carl Folta. Studio chief Brad Grey, always the most politic mogul as well as the smallest, is now a eunuch, too, because his geriatric jerk of a boss cut off his balls to cut down Tom Terrible.

C’mon, fire the grinning actor idiot because he’s lost his box office appeal, or because his first dollar gross is so disgustingly huge that no studio has a prayer any more of making money on his motion pictures, or because of any other business reason. And fire him in the usual Hollywood way: with a bland-but-dignified press release about how much these 14 years have meant to both parties, ad nauseum. But, jeez, don’t fire him with this lame stuff that Sumner didn’t like the way Tiny Tom behaved. If that’s true, then no Hollywood studio can ever hire anyone. Drugs, sex, harrassment, mendacity, fraud: Paramount like most major studios has a rich history of horrible behavior by its work-for-hires. I could reel off for you 10 people now with rich studio deals, some at Paramount, who should be in jail or rehab or the Funny Farm but instead are well-paid miscreants.

Far be it from me to judge whether Cruise belongs in a straitjacket or not, or whether Scientology is a cult or a religion, or whether he’s gay or not, or whether MI3 would have done a lot more business in theaters if another big star had been the lead. But it’s absurd for Redstone to make an issue of Cruise’s conduct like he has. My god, Sumner himself was openly shtupping one of his producer girlfriends on the lot for years, and his own son is suing him. And Redstone looked the other way when Les Moonves carried on a long adulterous affair with employee Julie Chen and then married her after dumping his wife in the process. Which are all violations of so many corporate codes of conduct that I don’t think I can count that high. And let’s not forget how the old guy’s studio is still in business with Robert Evans who not only was a hopeless cocaine addict and regular client of Heidi Fleiss’s prostitution call girl ring for years but pled the Fifth Amendment in connection with a murder rap no less. And let's not forget that Redstone didn't blink when Brad Grey's name surfaced in that Anthony Pellicano (the thug P.I.) mess. So lemme get this straight: Cruise’s jumping around on Oprah’s couch is worse?

But the fact is that even Cruise’s recent moves, the ones done after he’d made Scientology the publicly avowed cause celebre of his life personally and professionally, and after he declared Katie Holmes the love of his life and knocked her up without benefit of marriage, are still top earners since 2000. Cruise did better for his studios with MI3, War of the Worlds, Collateral, The Last Samurai, Minority Report, Vanilla Sky and MI2 than almost any other star, including George Clooney, Brad Pitt, Angelina Jolie, Nicole Kidman, Russell Crowe, Adam Sandler. My best guess is only Tom Hanks and Johnny Depp and Mel Gibson did better box office.

Let’s talk about Gibson. Last week, an erroneous report swept the Internet that Disney wasn’t going to distribute Gibson’s Mayan epic Apocalypto because of his drunken anti-Semitic tirade during his Malibu arrest. The corporation’s network ABC already had stopped Mel’s production company from producing a docudrama about The Holocaust. But the truth was that Disney movie toppers Dick Cook and Oren Aviv both called Gibson’s people to reassure that no way were they cutting Mel off at the knees when he was on his knees seeking the Jewish community’s absolution. For crissakes, it’s part of Hollywood lore that Walt Disney himself was an anti-Semite who reformed.

So go ahead, Tom, sue. (Or, better yet, get the litigious Scientology attack dogs to sue first). Get Sumner for all he’s worth. Which may be a lot in monetary terms but not even a penny in human ones.

 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/08/22/paramount-dumps-tom-cruis_n_27805.html

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Re: Paramount dumps Tom Cruise: Finally!
« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2006, 01:27:25 am »
and this from Fox News

Q Scores: Tom Cruise's Popularity Has Dropped

Thursday , August 24, 2006

 

 
LOS ANGELES  — This hasn't been a few good days for Tom Cruise.

First, Paramount Pictures announced its 14-year relationship with Cruise's production company is history.

Then, there are the Q scores. Those are a way of rating celebrity popularity.

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An executive with Marketing Evaluations Incorporated, the company that calculates the scores, says Cruise's positive perception has fallen about 40 percent in the last year. And his negative perception has jumped nearly 100 percent.

But in the opinion of at least one producer, Peter Guber, Q scores or not, Tom Cruise will remain a big star, at least in the "near term."

Guber worked with Cruise on "Rain Man" and "A Few Good Men."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,210292,00.html

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Re: Paramount dumps Tom Cruise: Finally!
« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2006, 01:37:12 am »
I suppose, but I'm thinking in context.  Not to defend the nut or anything, but was Cruise's behavior really that 'outrageous'?

He jumped up on a couch, he blathered about psychiatry when he is no expert himself...what else?

Is this kind of attitude/behavior on the same par as getting stoned and waking up in a strange child's bed (Robert Downey, Jr.), getting busted picking up whores(Hugh Grant/Eddie Murphy), actually being a nut, wandering the countryside waiting to be picked up by aliens (Anne Heche), beating girlfriends/wives (Tom Sizemore/Jonathan Rhys-Myers, etc), lying to the grand jury (Lil Kim), shoplifting $1000s (Winona Ryder), running over a little kid in her car (Rebecca Gayhart)?

You are right, you know, and not wanting to sound two faced, i too, thought the same thing, when i added my bit of "nasty to tom" two cents worth a few days ago....

Maybe the fact is we just dont like the guy, maybe he is so presumptuous that everything he does is so correct, that we dont like that about him, and we were glad that in a moment of weakness (or however you like to describe it), he jumped on a couch and made a complete fool of himself, and so damaged his self rightious, always right, always in control image.

I must admit i have not seen many of his movies, because he is starring in a moive, doesnt necessarily want me to run out and see it....i did like him in "A Few Good Men", but was completely outshone by Keiffer Sutherland and Jack Nicholson.

As an Australian I was among the throng that were secretly amoured that he married one of ours (Nicole), and came out here regularly to visit, and adopted us as his second him, as we adopted him as our favourite "son in law"....but once they split, he wasnt our favourite anymore.

Yes, the fact is, I just dont like him.....but then again, I only know of him, what i read in newspapers and magazines, and i should be intelligent enough not to take too much notice of them....maybe we are all a little unfair....but im sure Tom probably doesnt care one iotta what we think anyway.
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« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2006, 02:13:16 am »
I suppose, but I'm thinking in context.  Not to defend the nut or anything, but was Cruise's behavior really that 'outrageous'?

He jumped up on a couch, he blathered about psychiatry when he is no expert himself...what else?

Is this kind of attitude/behavior on the same par as getting stoned and waking up in a strange child's bed (Robert Downey, Jr.), getting busted picking up whores(Hugh Grant/Eddie Murphy), actually being a nut, wandering the countryside waiting to be picked up by aliens (Anne Heche), beating girlfriends/wives (Tom Sizemore/Jonathan Rhys-Myers, etc), lying to the grand jury (Lil Kim), shoplifting $1000s (Winona Ryder), running over a little kid in her car (Rebecca Gayhart)?

Don't think I'm excusing their behavior. Tom had a lot of the spot light on him too... and it puts out a negative image.

In fact I'm insulted you think that I'm excusing their behavior.

I simply do not like Tom Cruise. I think he's a douche.

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« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2006, 05:19:02 am »
Maybe the fact is we just dont like the guy, maybe he is so presumptuous that everything he does is so correct, that we dont like that about him, and we were glad that in a moment of weakness (or however you like to describe it), he jumped on a couch and made a complete fool of himself, and so damaged his self rightious, always right, always in control image.

Sorry, Katie, but I don't think the Oprah fiasco was any "moment of weakness" at all.  I don't think Tom Cruise has taken an unscripted, unplanned breath in his life.  I totally believe that embarrassing, couch-jumping, floor-pounding crap was a deliberate move by him to MAKE us think it was unplanned and unscripted.  That the "old, controlling" Tom Cruise has been a man reformed by true love. 

Madonna has been showing us for decades that the only way to stay on top is to constantly re-invent your image.  Tom Cruise only has one image - this groomed, scripted, spin-doctored control freak. And I do mean freak.  I believe his appearance on Oprah was a botched attempt at showing this "new carefree Tom".  But he pushed it too far.  He made a total dick of himself. And, sorry, didn't convince me for a second.  You can tell so much by a person's eyes. And while he grinned like a fool and punched the floor, his eyes - when they were actually able to be seen by the camera - were like stones.  And the cynic in me couldn't decide whether Oprah was in on it or not..

Giancarlo, it might interest you to know that the Church of Scientology is only one of MANY religious institutions that offer "sexual rehabilitation" programs for its members who find themselves attracted to the same sex, so that they may learn to live "straight and normally".  Oh I just LOVE that among the values churches inculcate in their members, tolerance and acceptance always get missed.  ???  >:(

And Del, Cruise's behaviour on Oprah may not have been as outrageous as any of those awful ones you mentioned, but I think what makes it more outrageous than Downey, Ryder, Sizemore or Heche is that NONE of them did what they did to be a media-whore and grab the attention Cruise was obviously after.  I've always been suspicious - why would some privacy-nut like Tom Cruise be SO keen to publicise this romance if it was genuine? He protected Nicole and his kids with a fervor that was bordering on scary. I've felt the whole TomKat thing was just cooked up to offset the gay rumours that have plagued him. And now they roped some young and overly-ambitious starlet in and worse, brought a child into it.  Now THAT'S outrageous.  :o
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« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2006, 08:17:39 am »
Well that was an intersting read Shonna, and I see what you are saying about Tom.....

Maybe I was naeve enough to think that the couch jump was fair dinkum...im not too much aware of these "spins" that actors do for publicity.....

And its funny you mentioned the "gay" thing about Tom, only the other day I was talking to a lady about Tom Cruise, and she said something very similar to you about that.....

Well all i can add, is thank goodness Ang never picked him to play the part of Ennis or Jack........OMG the thought of that makes me want to throw up.....
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« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2006, 09:13:43 am »
I, for one am convinced that he is gay. I think he is having an ongoing affair (my bet: 3 years now) with the son of the Australian guy who died last spring...when he went to the funeral and Katie was 8+ months pregnant and looked about to pop.

My 2 cents, not that anyone cares.

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« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2006, 05:23:43 pm »
Giancarlo, it might interest you to know that the Church of Scientology is only one of MANY religious institutions that offer "sexual rehabilitation" programs for its members who find themselves attracted to the same sex, so that they may learn to live "straight and normally".  Oh I just LOVE that among the values churches inculcate in their members, tolerance and acceptance always get missed.  ???  >:(

And you don't think I know that?

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« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2006, 06:08:40 pm »
I, for one am convinced that he is gay. I think he is having an ongoing affair (my bet: 3 years now) with the son of the Australian guy who died last spring...when he went to the funeral and Katie was 8+ months pregnant and looked about to pop.

My 2 cents, not that anyone cares.

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Wow, Leslie....that sure rocked my socks a bit......the guy you are talking about is James Packer, now one of Australias richest men, since his father, Kerry Packer died last year.

He is in the news a lot here in Australia, has been since he was a young boy, but there has NEVER been any signs, rumours or indications that HE is gay...he has been married, but now divorced, and for the last few years been dating a popular model.

The Packer family, although rotten rich, have been quite a popular family in Australia, making their money from owning television stations and newspapers...Kerry Packer (the one who died) was a very popular man, very down to earth, and very generous to people less fortunate to him....Many years ago, he had a heart attack at a polo game and was saved only be the fact that the ambulance that answered the emergency call, had a heart firbralator (i think thats what its called)......Kerry Packer survived, and donated enough money so that EVERY ambulance in Australia was then fitted with the fibralators.He donated millions to charity.....he was also a well know big time gambler, his bets of millions of dollars made headlines here often.......

James Packer, is a quiet, intelligent knock about type of bloke, also popular with the australian public....he is also into scientology, but doesnt make a big deal about it....

Like  I said, I have never heard or read anything ever, indicating that he may be gay....and of course, I realize, that becaus he owns the newspapers, magazines and television stations, that he is probably shielded from any news that he may not want the public to know.....

On the other hand, if he was gay, I couldnt see it making any difference to the way he does business or carries on with his life, so if he was, i dont think he would need to keep it a secret anyway.

I think the link he has with Tom Cruise is the scientology thing.....that to me is the only thing they seem to have in common.....I have often wondered how someone as nice as James Packer could even be friends with such a dick head as Tom.
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« Reply #24 on: August 25, 2006, 06:55:42 pm »
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Maybe the fact is we just dont like the guy, maybe he is so presumptuous that everything he does is so correct, that we dont like that about him, and we were glad that in a moment of weakness (or however you like to describe it), he jumped on a couch and made a complete fool of himself, and so damaged his self rightious, always right, always in control image.

You put your finger right on it.  Tom has long been in charge of his own money, his own career and his own life and he’s been entirely successful at it.  With that success came fame, money and power.  However, not everyone reacts well to having too much success.  Tom is a case in point.  He had run-ins with Steven Spielberg, another man long in charge of his own money, very successful career and life.  Is it any wonder he had issues with the man?  Irresistable force Tom meeting immovable object Spielberg.

Tom is an artiste, well known as taking his acting as a serious art form, requiring devotion to his craft.  I remember reading Mimi Rogers saying Tom once thought of giving up sex to ‘rechannel’ his sexual energy into acting.  I also read something about how he experimented on an underwater scene, considering how the bubbles should look like coming out of his left and right nostrils.

That’s a man who’s detail-oriented to the point of being obsessively anal. 

I am not surprised this kind of obsessive, detail-oriented control extends to the man’s personal life.  Where is Suri?  I’m sure Katie would like to take her out strolling in the park like a normal person.  I’m sure Suri’s grandparents would love to have the kid for the weekend, take her to church and show off the grandchild to their friends and neighbors.

Do you see that happening while Tom is calling the shots?

The problem comes in when Tom – like Michael Jackson – being so successful in life, no longer listens to any advice other than his own.  He is the final word, the decision maker in his own life.  He’s made a success of that, why should he listen to others?  So if Tom decides to read up on psychiatry, he’ll go about in an obsessive way, form his own opinion and decide he’s right.  No one else can counter his position without him thinking they don’t know what they’re talking about.  They’re just being ‘glib’.  Tom has made his decision.  No one else is right.  And because Tom – like Michael Jackson - is surrounded by people who depend on him for their livelihood, no one is going to disagree with him either.  So Tom will do whatever he wants to do because Tom wants to do it, no matter how bizarre it might seem to others or how it might reflect on him.  Other opinions don’t matter, only his because he is King of the World.   ::)   

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Don't think I'm excusing their behavior. Tom had a lot of the spot light on him too... and it puts out a negative image.

In fact I'm insulted you think that I'm excusing their behavior.

Well don’t be.  I was merely countering your statement that Tom’s behavior was ‘outrageous’ and must have had something to do with the breakup with Paramount.  I merely pointed out that Tom’s behavior compared to other actors' behavior seems a bit tame in comparison.  I didn’t say that you were excusing the others.  The Huffington article Vickie posted really brings this point home.

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think what makes it more outrageous than Downey, Ryder, Sizemore or Heche is that NONE of them did what they did to be a media-whore and grab the attention Cruise was obviously after.  I've always been suspicious - why would some privacy-nut like Tom Cruise be SO keen to publicise this romance if it was genuine? He protected Nicole and his kids with a fervor that was bordering on scary. I've felt the whole TomKat thing was just cooked up to offset the gay rumours that have plagued him. And now they roped some young and overly-ambitious starlet in and worse, brought a child into it.  Now THAT'S outrageous

Tom is a media-whore.  But that’s the name of the game isn’t it?  Playing the media to keep yourself in the headlines, keep yourself in the public eye, keep yourself in demand?  Media whores are the most successful public figures out there.  They know how to play the media and the public.  While I feel exactly the same way about the Katie thing as you, the truth is, she’s pushing 30 years old.  She isn’t a Lindsey Lohan ingénue.  She’s a grown woman and if she didn’t know what she was doing, getting roped in by a Svengali, blinded by the Tom Cruise posters of her childhood with stars in her eyes, then she has no one to blame but herself.  She had her family there, disapproving of Tom from the beginning.  Sad to say, she’s made her bed and now she has to deal with it.  As for the whys…first thought was that the guy was going through a mid-life crisis.  Men do strange things during that time of life.  They run off to Tahiti, buy Ferarris, have affairs with young things. [shrugs]  Who knows?
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Re: Paramount dumps Tom Cruise: Finally!
« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2006, 08:37:49 am »

I think the link he has with Tom Cruise is the scientology thing.....that to me is the only thing they seem to have in common.....I have often wondered how someone as nice as James Packer could even be friends with such a dick head as Tom.

Maybe it is just Scientology, but...who knows? This from msnbc:

Grooming his successor
Has Tom Cruise snagged the promise of more big bucks for Scientology?

The “Mission Impossible” star has been honored for being the biggest donor to the religion, and is said to have raised more than $1.6 million for a controversial detox program for firefighters in New York that is linked to Scientology. But the real money may be yet to come.

While filming “The Last Samurai,” Cruise became chummy with James Packer, whose billionaire father, Kerry Packer was the richest man in Australia. The elder Packer died this week, and James Packer is widely believed to be inheriting his father’s empire.

“James Packer was spotted around a Scientology campus in Australia, has made frequent trips in Los Angeles where Scientology is headquartered, and reportedly spent time in Scientology counseling sessions in Sydney — and Tom Cruise is his pal,” Cultnews.com’s Rick Ross tells The Scoop. “Practically everything that Tom Cruise does has some connection to Scientology. The thinking is that Cruise has groomed this guy to be a big giver to follow in Cruise’s footsteps. After all, Tom Cruise is the biggest giver Scientology has.”

And this is from an Australian newspaper....

In response, James Packer adopted a lower profile in Sydney and increased his trips to the US, where he frequently vacationed with Cruise at his Telluride, Colorado, estate.

A few weeks after the death of Kerry Packer on Boxing Day, James again packed his snow gear and headed to Telluride.

Although Cruise was not close to Kerry Packer, he flew to James's side in his private Gulfstream jet on Thursday for Friday's memorial service at Sydney Opera House.

He checked his pregnant partner Katie Holmes into the Park Hyatt before dressing in khaki T-shirt and jeans and slipping out to attend a private cocktail party at the Packer family's Bellevue Hill compound.

By nightfall, the men were packing bags for a helicopter flight to the family property Ellerston, near Scone.

Cruise's friendship and the likely and ongoing influence of Scientology have, say friends, given Mr Packer a newfound sense of "peace and focus".

It appears that Mr Packer has found the man who will help coach and support him through the next phase of his life.



Just my 2 cents but it sure seems interesting that "the men" are spending all this time together on private vacations and such...."coach and support" --  interesting euphemism, if you ask me.

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Re: Paramount dumps Tom Cruise: Finally!
« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2006, 06:04:50 pm »

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Well don’t be.  I was merely countering your statement that Tom’s behavior was ‘outrageous’ and must have had something to do with the breakup with Paramount.  I merely pointed out that Tom’s behavior compared to other actors' behavior seems a bit tame in comparison.  I didn’t say that you were excusing the others.  The Huffington article Vickie posted really brings this point home.



Okay.. you are clearly not reading my posts. I have said it is one of the factors. Most of his behavior is indeed outrageous, and has received substantial media spotlight. That is one the reasons why it is damaging business. And Mission Impossible III as I stated was not that great of a money maker. It utterly fell behind in the domestic market (and failed to make back its budget).

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Re: Paramount dumps Tom Cruise: Finally!
« Reply #27 on: August 26, 2006, 07:56:04 pm »
Okay.. you are clearly not reading my posts. I have said it is one of the factors. Most of his behavior is indeed outrageous, and has received substantial media spotlight. That is one the reasons why it is damaging business. And Mission Impossible III as I stated was not that great of a money maker. It utterly fell behind in the domestic market (and failed to make back its budget).

LOL!  And you're not reading my posts either.  I was well aware you said it was one of the factors.  That's why I said you said it had 'something' to do with the break with Paramount.  Not that it was the overweening cause.

We're going to have to agree to disagree about what we each consider 'outrageous'.  His pushing his own religion, getting stupidly overexcited about his lovelife and being egomaniacal is hardly IMO 'outrageous' comparatively speaking.

That ANYthing out of Hollywood has received substantial media coverage doesn't mean what is reported over and over again is substantially newsworthy in the first place.

Example, Brad Pitt getting caught naked on his balcony by the paparazzi.  The pictures circulating in tabloids and the internet.  This went on for some weeks.

Newsworthy?

Pitt has a penis and here's the proof? (to quote Brad himself).

Hardly.

MI:III did not make its budget in the U.S., but it did so handily with overseas business and that wasn't including the DVD sales as I recall reading.

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Re: Paramount dumps Tom Cruise: Finally!
« Reply #28 on: August 27, 2006, 05:12:02 am »
Wow, Leslie....that sure rocked my socks a bit......the guy you are talking about is James Packer, now one of Australias richest men, since his father, Kerry Packer died last year.

He is in the news a lot here in Australia, has been since he was a young boy, but there has NEVER been any signs, rumours or indications that HE is gay...he has been married, but now divorced, and for the last few years been dating a popular model.


Katie, clearly you haven't been reading the same gossip rags as my mum cause James Packer HAS been plagued by gay rumours and has copped them for YEARS!!!! There was some huge scandal with his breakup with Kate Fischer - you might remember they were engaged and then she suddenly and mysteriously "changed her mind" about marrying him and was given $10 million dollars to "never speak about, write about or discuss any aspect of her relationship" with James.  Hmmm....   *raises eyebrows"

And then he married Jodhi Meares, an extremely well-endowed swimsuit model. James virtually gave her unlimited access to the Packer fortune to start her own swimsuit design business - Tigerlily (they have great swimwear actually) and then 2 years after the business was off the ground, James and Jodhi divorced.  Same deal - HUGE sum of cash for Jodhi to never speak about her relationship with James.

Hmmm again... *taps pencil on desk*

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Re: Paramount dumps Tom Cruise: Finally!
« Reply #29 on: August 27, 2006, 08:50:32 am »
Gee Shonna, its all new to me.....maybe i have been living in the country too long, or not reading the right magazines.....(i would guess that any newpaper or magazine, carrying such stories, would NOT be Packer owned)......

I can honestly say, I have never read anything about James being gay....I remember the break ups with Kate and Jodhi......but in the news I read, it didnt mention it.

My thoughts, though, if James is gay, what the diff, he seems like a nice enough bloke, as are most gay guys, my only point of view on that subjuect would be still.......How could he get tangled up with a dick head like Tom.......
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Re: Paramount dumps Tom Cruise: Finally!
« Reply #30 on: August 27, 2006, 12:03:03 pm »
Hearing about the money actually makes me wonder if Tom is just 'grooming' him to get at his money!

the gay thing not withstanding...there are gold diggers everywhere...

I know Tom has a lot of money but he doesn't strike me as one who ever has enough...

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« Reply #31 on: August 27, 2006, 12:52:26 pm »
Katie, clearly you haven't been reading the same gossip rags as my mum cause James Packer HAS been plagued by gay rumours and has copped them for YEARS!!!! There was some huge scandal with his breakup with Kate Fischer - you might remember they were engaged and then she suddenly and mysteriously "changed her mind" about marrying him and was given $10 million dollars to "never speak about, write about or discuss any aspect of her relationship" with James.  Hmmm....   *raises eyebrows"

And then he married Jodhi Meares, an extremely well-endowed swimsuit model. James virtually gave her unlimited access to the Packer fortune to start her own swimsuit design business - Tigerlily (they have great swimwear actually) and then 2 years after the business was off the ground, James and Jodhi divorced.  Same deal - HUGE sum of cash for Jodhi to never speak about her relationship with James.

Hmmm again... *taps pencil on desk*

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Very compelling and suspicious Sheyne to be sure...hmmmm.

The only other thing I can think of is that he automatically pays off any woman he's with so that they don't go to the tabloids or write a book about their love life with him.  It may be to save his family reputation from tabloids stories about how he likes to dress in diapers and have his girlfriends spank him or get buttercream baths or etc. 

It may not be about being gay but about just being eccentric.

Sometimes a very wealthy famous man's relationship with women is such that the strength of their love and then friendship is enough to keep them from being sucked in by the tabloids - JFK Jr comes to mind - but sometimes its just hard cash - and a legal release.

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Re: Paramount dumps Tom Cruise: Finally!
« Reply #32 on: August 27, 2006, 02:37:01 pm »
LOL!  And you're not reading my posts either.  I was well aware you said it was one of the factors.  That's why I said you said it had 'something' to do with the break with Paramount.  Not that it was the overweening cause.

We're going to have to agree to disagree about what we each consider 'outrageous'.  His pushing his own religion, getting stupidly overexcited about his lovelife and being egomaniacal is hardly IMO 'outrageous' comparatively speaking.

In my eyes it is, especially when it is getting the media spotlight in the that great amount. I always have maintained it is one of the various causes that made Paramount sever ties with him. And also the fact that an increasing amount of the public is taking a negative viewpoint of the actor personally.

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MI:III did not make its budget in the U.S., but it did so handily with overseas business and that wasn't including the DVD sales as I recall reading.

Not exactly. The money made overseas usually stays with the distributors from what I know. Either way, it wasn't that good of a money maker. It didn't make huge amounts of money it should of.