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Offline Sheriff Roland

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Re: "You're good enough"
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2006, 09:57:37 pm »
Thanks Lee. Your suggestion that "but Cassie, with no better prospects, doesn't accept it" is the best explanation I've heard so far to her happy acceptance of Juniors's evaluation of the situation - but Cassie's gorgeous - it's hard to believe that she can't do better than "unimpressed" Ennis for herself.
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Re: "You're good enough"
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2006, 11:23:31 pm »
*Jess ON TOPIC and being VERY VERY serious and intellectual*

Well, I would think, if you are in fact considering the 'message' that Cassie got when Alma Jr. told her "Your good enough" then as the daughter of a divorced couple I would conjecture that she got "Your good enough but I don't care for you" 

Would not bother Cassie a bit...what difference does Alma's reaction make to her?

I think Junior was being a tad tacky to Cassie.

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Re: "You're good enough"
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2006, 11:29:04 pm »
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Jess! You fibber!! - you spend a lot of time on other forums (admin for one, not to mention ALL the time you spend checking out the images on that little "Anything Goes" forum)

Will anyone ever believe you ever again *chorkle* *nasty larf* ** tee-hee-hee!  :laugh:

I am SURE I don't have ANY idea what you might be talking about!!

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Re: "You're good enough"
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2006, 12:09:56 am »
I've always taken this interchange between Junior and Cassie in a way similar to what Jess said:

"You are good enough but my father is gay...so no matter how good you are, he is looking for what you can not give him"

I am firmly in the 'Junior knew her Dad was gay camp.'

But to me, it's almost like they're having two separate conversations.  Cassie saying 'You get your point across' implies that Cassie understands Junior, when clearly she doesn't.  I think Cassie is hearing something that Junior is not saying - 'no one's really good enough for my dad, but you'll do.'

Cassie dragging Ennis off to dance in the next sequence seems to confirm that she really doesn't understand him at all.  It's enough to make me feel sorry for Cassie, footwear notwithstanding.  :)
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Re: "You're good enough"
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2006, 11:13:59 pm »
Back on topic...being told "You're good enough" is sort of like getting a C in school. Not an outright insult, but it isn't going to make anybody feel very confident in their abilities/attributes. So, Jr. gets her point across, basically saying like Aguirre did, "You're wasting your time here." She gets her point across but Cassie, with no better prospects, doesn't accept it.

I think Cassie takes it as an insult.  I feel like her determination to dance with Ennis **right then** even though Ennis had no interest was Cassie's passive aggressive way of responding.  I think, like many of you have said, that it's hard to tell whether Alma Jr. is demonstrating a dislike for Cassie because she understands that Ennis is gay at this point or for reasons tied to her feelings about Ennis's divorce from Alma.  I think Alma Jr. is also mad because Cassie is one more distraction that means Ennis has even less time to devote to his daughters.  I feel like we can see Alma Jr.'s face and demeanor change when she sees Cassie in the truck when Ennis comes to pick her up.  Alma Jr. knows that she won't be getting Ennis's un-divided attention during this visit.  I think the "good enough" comment might be infused with a little bit of all these issues.

And for the record, I do think that Alma Jr. knew about Ennis... but I'm not sure when she figured it out.   I feel sure she knows by the end, but it's certainly not clear to me how old she was when she first understood.  All of this is part of that pesky "space"... between what we know and believe.
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Re: "You're good enough"
« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2006, 02:18:30 am »
I feel like we can see Alma Jr.'s face and demeanor change when she sees Cassie in the truck when Ennis comes to pick her up.  Alma Jr. knows that she won't be getting Ennis's un-divided attention during this visit.  I think the "good enough" comment might be infused with a little bit of all these issues.
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All of this is part of that pesky "space"... between what we know and believe.

Amanda - you are entirely correct about Junior's disappointment when seeing Cassie is along for her outing with her Dad.  There is no question in my mind about that.  I guess I'm just unclear about the 'why'...Is it because she wants some undivided time to broach the subject of her moving in with Dad? or is it a general dislike of having 'their' time infringed upon?

That pesky 'space'....will we ever think of any psychic or emotional disconnects again without thinking of it???  Sure hope not, myseslf.
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Re: "You're good enough"
« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2006, 04:51:12 am »
And for the record, I do think that Alma Jr. knew about Ennis... but I'm not sure when she figured it out.   I feel sure she knows by the end, but it's certainly not clear to me how old she was when she first understood.  All of this is part of that pesky "space"... between what we know and believe.
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I am of the camp that the girls could hear it all from the living room on Thanksgiving.  They were only about 15 feet away, and their mom and dad were out there alone together, yet overhearable.  What kids of divorce wouldn't be listening as best they could?  And then afterward, "Mom, what were you and Daddy so upset about?"  "Jack Nasty..." 

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Re: "You're good enough"
« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2006, 07:39:51 am »
I am of the camp that the girls could hear it all from the living room on Thanksgiving.  They were only about 15 feet away, and their mom and dad were out there alone together, yet overhearable.  What kids of divorce wouldn't be listening as best they could?  And then afterward, "Mom, what were you and Daddy so upset about?"  "Jack Nasty..." 
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Re: "You're good enough"
« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2006, 07:49:40 am »
wellllll...I always thought that Junior knew that Ennis was gay. So to me it was always an unfinished sentence...I can almost hear the ending..."You are good enough but my father is gay...so no matter how good you are, he is looking for what you can not give him"



I agree with Jess here. I also think Alma Jr. knew or suspect her father wasn't into women. So when she says to Cassie you're good enough, but he's not the marrying kind she means, "if he were into women you'll be perfect, but I don't think he is." If she meant something else, then why would she add the "he isn't the marrying kind" part? She lowers her face when she says that part. I thought she was a bit embarrased. Alma Jr was worried about her father being alone, yet she knew her dad wasn't happy in the company of women. I think that's why she asks him if she can go live with him. I didn't buy her excuse about her mother and Monroe being stritct with her. She knew her father needed help and company. So, IMO if she thought her dad was straight she'd be happy with the idea of Cassie becoming his wife, but she knew that couldn't be and probably imagine Cassie was going to suffer just like her mother did. She was honest when she says to Cassie that she didn't mean to be rude. She was just trying to make a point with out directly telling Cassie what was really going on

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Re: "You're good enough"
« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2006, 08:01:15 am »
I don't think Junior ( or Cassie) knew Ennis was gay.

Often family members are blind to the thought because they love the person so much.    As a gay Teen, I spent alot of time with my Aunt on vacations.   She was a lesbian but I never knew it.    It was only after her funeral that all these other lesbians showed up that I was shocked!     How could I of all people miss that?   Denial?   

My parents had suspected all these years.    But I didn't despite all the clues.   I loved her for who she was.   Her being single all her life was not unusual to me.   To me she was just this non-feminine, athletic, lonely spinster living with 30 or 40 cats.    Go figure.

So I think it is possible that Junior didn't know.    Perhaps she was clinging to the idea her Dad and Mom would get back together eventually?   A lot of kids of divorces wish that.    After she married Monroe however, that hope was dashed.   Then Cassie was just "good enough" yet still in the way of her time with Ennis.

Cassies "I don't get you Ennis DelMar" certainly confirms that she had no clue.   Alot of girls who suspect a boyfriend is gay will dismiss the idea because the guy is having sex with them.   They figure :"If he was gay he wouldn't want sex right?"   Trust me,  I have heard that exclaimed from girls before!