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What day does June 21 mark for you?
« on: June 23, 2018, 03:44:05 pm »
I've heard this day called many things, some of them unique to BetterMost. Most confusing is calling it midsummer, when there are three months of summer to come! I'd like your opinion, please.
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Re: What day does June 21 mark for you?
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2018, 06:46:12 pm »
I've seen the term "midsummer" as well, and like you, found it confusing.
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Re: What day does June 21 mark for you?
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2018, 08:05:43 pm »
Shakespeare called it midsummer in "A Midsummer's Dream".  We will be celebrating MidWinter in the city next Saturday. It should have been last Saturday (closest to the shortest day) but there was an All Blacks versus France Rugby Match on in the city Stadium so MidWinter was put off  ;D
We had some snow yesterday morning and the official maximum temperature was 8'C but that was in the afternoon. I went down to the city about midday and it was only showing 5'C. Saturday is forecast 11'C and 12'C on Sunday but then back to the usual 10'C for this time of year.
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Re: What day does June 21 mark for you?
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2018, 09:46:36 pm »
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Re: What day does June 21 mark for you?
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2018, 09:22:39 am »
Quote from: Front-Ranger on June 23, 2018, 03:44:05 pm
I've heard this day called many things, some of them unique to BetterMost. Most confusing is calling it midsummer, when there are three months of summer to come! I'd like your opinion, please.

Quote from: CellarDweller on June 26, 2018, 06:46:12 pm
I've seen the term "midsummer" as well, and like you, found it confusing.

I'm completely going off memory here, and we all know how [un]reliable that can be, but I think I read somewhere that some peoples divided the year into only two seasons, winter and summer, so that made the summer solstice "midsummer."

You can look at this the other way 'round, too. There is a famous and quite lovely Christmas carol by Christina Rossetti called "In the Bleak Midwinter." Of course, Christmas and the winter solstice are no more in the middle of winter than the summer solstice is the middle of summer. (The tune for the carol is "Cranham," by Gustav Holst.)
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Re: What day does June 21 mark for you?
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2018, 06:43:14 pm »
Quote from: Front-Ranger on June 26, 2018, 09:46:36 pm
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Re: What day does June 21 mark for you?
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2018, 06:13:26 pm »
If June, July and August comprise summer, then shouldn't midsummer be on July 15?
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Re: What day does June 21 mark for you?
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2018, 06:21:40 pm »
Quote from: Front-Ranger on July 12, 2018, 06:13:26 pm
If June, July and August comprise summer, then shouldn't midsummer be on July 15?


I found this online, not sure how correct it is.


Q:  I always found it strange that the day which marks the beginning of the season of summer is called "mid-summer", which I understand would mean "middle of summer". While midsummer is on the summer solstice (June 20–21), the actual middle of summer would be about August 6, no?

So why is the first day of summer called midsummer?


A:  The word midsummer comes to us from Old English, and it has a Dutch cognate midzomer, and Scandinavian cognates (e.g. midsommar in Swedish), so it may even come from an older Germanic language. Both the old Anglo-Saxon calendar and the old Icelandic calendar had two seasons, summer and winter. For these calendars, "Midsummer's Day" would have fallen near the middle of summer (probably not the exact middle ... summer started in mid-April in the old Icelandic calendar, and on a full moon in the old Anglo-Saxon calendar).

The Anglo-Saxon calendar also explains why summer and winter are words which have roots in Proto-Germanic, while fall and spring were not used for the seasons until Middle English, and autumn is originally a Latin word.


https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/117183/etymology-of-midsummer-why-is-the-first-day-of-summer-called-middle-of-summ
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Re: What day does June 21 mark for you?
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2018, 08:04:42 pm »
And of course, thanks to Julius Caesar's astronomers, the whole business got out of whack. The Christian Church set Christmas on Dec. 25, because it was thought to be the winter solstice, and St. John Baptist's Day on June 24, because it was thought to be the summer solstice.
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Re: What day does June 21 mark for you?
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2018, 06:09:10 pm »
Always fun to have a messed up calendar!   ;D
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Re: What day does June 21 mark for you?
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2018, 09:52:42 am »
The reason I ask is because I'm always saying to myself, "I can't believe I haven't put away winter clothes yet and it's not even midsummer!" (as an example)
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Re: What day does June 21 mark for you?
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2018, 09:56:30 pm »
I'm just waiting for the temps to drop!
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Re: What day does June 21 mark for you?
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2021, 11:50:50 am »
This was the only topic I could find that relates to the summer solstice. I'd like to wish everyone a happy summer solstice. For me, it's a time of disquiet. There was rain last night and the temperature has a tinge of fall to it. I feel sad and am dragging myself around. But I have a date to take my grandsons to the swimming pool later today so that will surely cheer me up. What are your summer solstice plans?
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Re: What day does June 21 mark for you?
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2021, 02:01:37 pm »
I found out the full Strawberry Moon is on Thursday. That explains a lot.  :-\
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Re: What day does June 21 mark for you?
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2021, 06:35:24 pm »
Hiya Lee!

Jeff and I posted in a different thread, here.


http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,2788.0.html
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Re: What day does June 21 mark for you?
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2021, 05:59:15 pm »
August 2 marks 6 weeks since the beginning of summer (June 21). I'm thinking it might be a good time to celebrate midsummer. Or is there an ancient holiday celebrated around that time? Maybe this will relieve the confusion, for me anyway.
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Re: What day does June 21 mark for you?
« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2021, 08:34:13 am »
Quote from: Front-Ranger on July 07, 2021, 05:59:15 pm
August 2 marks 6 weeks since the beginning of summer (June 21). I'm thinking it might be a good time to celebrate midsummer. Or is there an ancient holiday celebrated around that time? Maybe this will relieve the confusion, for me anyway.

August 1 is Lammas for Christians, Lughnasadh for Neopagans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lammas
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Re: What day does June 21 mark for you?
« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2023, 07:52:22 pm »
Summer Solstice is getting close, 20 days.


Then we celebrate "ShorterDays".   :laugh:
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Re: What day does June 21 mark for you?
« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2023, 10:54:25 am »
The solstice is this week! It's been nearly a year since I used my tarot cards; I'm thinking about getting them out, if I can remember where they are.

I wonder if you can order lightning bugs to be sent in the mail. Sure miss them from my childhood.

A good thing about shorter days: I might be able to get a little more sleep in the mornings.
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Re: What day does June 21 mark for you?
« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2023, 03:52:50 pm »
I never feel any immediate noticeable change with either solstice. The reason Dec. 21 is great is because it suggests the light, literally, at the end of the tunnel. I'm trying not to think about how we're heading toward its forbidding opposite.
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Re: What day does June 21 mark for you?
« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2023, 10:31:37 am »
Tomorrow is Midsummer Day (or Sainte-Jean-Baptiste Day).

I can never remember if we're supposed to light a bonfire tonight (the eve of the day), or tomorrow night.  :(
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Re: What day does June 21 mark for you?
« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2023, 11:55:22 am »

According to Google:


Bonfires are lit on Midsummer's Eve to ward off witches and evil spirits and warm up late-night revelers. Build your own (even a small campfire will do) as a way to keep bad luck at bay.
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Re: What day does June 21 mark for you?
« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2023, 02:28:56 pm »
Quote from: CellarDweller on June 24, 2023, 11:55:22 am
According to Google:

Bonfires are lit on Midsummer's Eve to ward off witches and evil spirits and warm up late-night revelers. Build your own (even a small campfire will do) as a way to keep bad luck at bay.

I guess I'm in trouble, then. I should at least have lighted a candle last night.  :(
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Re: What day does June 21 mark for you?
« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2023, 10:49:12 pm »
Ah, do it a day late, it will be fine!

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