Author Topic: so bright. new observation of first tent scene. (Read 8962 times)

starboardlight · « **on:** April 05, 2006, 01:36:59 am »

I'm watching the dvd on my PowerBook, and it's so bright. Even the Arclight projection isn't as bright. I can see the details of the first tent scene quite well. I've never noticed before that Jack has his right hand holding Ennis's the entire time. For some reason, that physical connection is significant to me. Besides the sex, Jacks still wants a tender intimacy in holding Ennis's hand. And I can finally see his facial expressions, in that scene.

mlewisusc · « **Reply #1 on:** April 05, 2006, 01:41:34 am »

N, I'm only here for a BRIEF time, but I'm really looking forward to gettin' my DVD for exactly this reason: the theaters were always TOO DARK during this scene!

henrypie · « **Reply #2 on:** April 05, 2006, 01:47:34 am »

UGH mine hasn't come yet.
Can't read any of these threads.
Gotta wait.

Sheyne · « **Reply #3 on:** April 05, 2006, 01:55:54 am »

Quote from: starboardlight on April 05, 2006, 01:36:59 am

I'm watching the dvd on my PowerBook, and it's so bright. Even the Arclight projection isn't as bright. I can see the details of the first tent scene quite well. I've never noticed before that Jack has his right hand holding Ennis's the entire time. For some reason, that physical connection is significant to me. Besides the sex, Jacks still wants a tender intimacy in holding Ennis's hand. And I can finally see his facial expressions, in that scene.

Oh god... more details please!! MORE!! I've got one good photo that tent scene from my Oscars booklet that I bought on eBay - just kills me the way the guys just stare into each others eyes.. there's almost a fear on jack's face and this confusion on Ennis's.. I never noticed that he was holding Ennis's hand though?!?!? I had sort of figured he was just putting Ennis's hand back on you-know-where..

montferrat · « **Reply #4 on:** April 05, 2006, 02:05:34 am »

Where Sheyne?

Nicole · « **Reply #5 on:** April 05, 2006, 02:16:29 am »

Lol Paul.....yes Sheyne, tell us where you were referring to, because I just can't figure it out!

Sheyne · « **Reply #6 on:** April 05, 2006, 03:28:02 am »

Errrr.. *blush* gosh... *fumbles with hair nervously*

Uhmm... *stutter...splutter*

Gee...

ON HIS BELLY BUTTON WHERE THE SCHMICK DO YA THINK!!!!!!!!!!!

dmmb_Mandy · « **Reply #7 on:** April 05, 2006, 03:32:01 am »

*still pondering as to where Sheyne is referring to*

I noticed that too starboard, and I LOVED it! I just love his facial expressions

vkm91941 · « **Reply #8 on:** April 05, 2006, 05:23:30 am »

Quote from: starboardlight on April 05, 2006, 01:36:59 am

I'm watching the dvd on my PowerBook, and it's so bright. Even the Arclight projection isn't as bright. I can see the details of the first tent scene quite well. I've never noticed before that Jack has his right hand holding Ennis's the entire time. For some reason, that physical connection is significant to me. Besides the sex, Jacks still wants a tender intimacy in holding Ennis's hand. And I can finally see his facial expressions, in that scene.

The theater I saw in the very first time was state of the art and we could see everything! The way Jack holds on to Ennis, the way Ennis yearns toward Jack even when he's saying what are you doing...both their facial expressions, the way Jack beats the floor of the tent, and that lovely symphony of sighs and moans..my god that scene is hot! and yet you never actually see a thing...it's all very deftly implied so that you KNOW what you've seen. Brillantly conceived, directed and ACTED!

Sheyne · « **Reply #9 on:** April 05, 2006, 06:29:42 am »

I hear ya, Victoria..

BTW, has anybody else noticed the way Ennis collapses onto Jack's back, just before they cut to Jack pounding on the floor and then he collapses on him again, just before it cuts to the exterior of the tent??

kills me... every time...

Jeff Wrangler · « **Reply #10 on:** April 05, 2006, 08:59:30 am »

In the theater the scene was so dark I never noticed Jack pounding the floor, but I did see the mixture of fear and longing on his face.

And the same combination on Ennis's face in the second tent scene.

chefjudy · « **Reply #11 on:** April 05, 2006, 09:22:17 am »

all four times that I saw the movie in theatres, I could not make out exactly what was happening, although I got the gist of it - when my dvd finally arrives (soon, like today, I hope) I will at last be able to see what y'all are taking about - until then I will just have to use my imagination.....................

EnnisDelMar · « **Reply #12 on:** April 05, 2006, 09:24:43 am »

I just can't think til I know what Sheyne was talking about...

serious crayons · « **Reply #13 on:** April 05, 2006, 01:41:20 pm »

Last time I saw it in a theater, I couldn't make out the hand-holding either. However, I have seen it many times in "Four Nights in 20 Years" on YouTube.

My interpretation is that, right after Jack pounds on the ground, Ennis reaches down and grabs his hand as a gesture of comfort and support. That's why I find it so touching; it shows Ennis feels they are both in this together and is concerned about Jack's feelings as well as his own.

YaadPyar · « **Reply #14 on:** April 05, 2006, 01:48:38 pm »

There was an amazing clip of the first tent scene on YouTube (might still be there) where the lighting was amazing and the hand-holding...everything...was clearly visible.

I jsut received my pre-ordered DVD from Amazon, so those of you waiting for them - take heart. Mine shipped March 31, and was here by 10:00am this morning, along with the Story-to-Screenplay, Best in Show & Spinal Tap.

WooHoo...YeeHaw!

chefjudy · « **Reply #15 on:** April 05, 2006, 01:54:46 pm »

Hi Celeste - mine was shipped from Amazon on 3/31 also, so I hope both BBM and The Phantom of the Opera both arrive today! Gerard Butler is one fine man also - WOOF.......................................

sparkle_motion · « **Reply #16 on:** April 05, 2006, 01:58:59 pm »

WOWOW! I never knew that detail. Isn't Jack pounding the floor with his right hand? How can Ennis be holding it? How long does he hold it?

I still get embarrassed about the time I asked if Ennis was hitting Jack in the back. I didn't realize it was Jack pounding the ground until Elle (I think it was Elle) corrected me on it.

starboardlight · « **Reply #17 on:** April 05, 2006, 02:05:03 pm »

we think Jack is pounding on the ground, but we just don't see it. in any case, after we hear the pounding, the camera shifts back and we see his hand holding on to Ennis's very tightly. After the grunt, Jack other hand joins and both his hands grip Ennis's.

DeeDee · « **Reply #18 on:** April 05, 2006, 02:08:03 pm »

Wow, you just pointed out something else I didn't see. I can see Jack pounding the ground, and I see Ennis grab his hand, but I didn't see both of Jacks hand grab Ennis.

newyearsday · « **Reply #19 on:** April 05, 2006, 02:10:00 pm »

Quote from: vkm91941 on April 05, 2006, 05:23:30 am

Quote from: starboardlight on April 05, 2006, 01:36:59 am
I'm watching the dvd on my PowerBook, and it's so bright. Even the Arclight projection isn't as bright. I can see the details of the first tent scene quite well. I've never noticed before that Jack has his right hand holding Ennis's the entire time. For some reason, that physical connection is significant to me. Besides the sex, Jacks still wants a tender intimacy in holding Ennis's hand. And I can finally see his facial expressions, in that scene.

The theater I saw in the very first time was state of the art and we could see everything! The way Jack holds on to Ennis, the way Ennis yearns toward Jack even when he's saying what are you doing...both their facial expressions, the way Jack beats the floor of the tent, and that lovely symphony of sighs and moans..my god that scene is hot! and yet you never actually see a thing...it's all very deftly implied so that you KNOW what you've seen. Brillantly conceived, directed and ACTED!

Wow, I can't wait to see this scene again (I know, I've had the early DVD for two weeks but haven't watched, I was preparing for Big Theater withdrawal!) I had no idea he had his hand on Ennis. But wait, he pounds the floor with his right hand doesn't he??

And yes, Vic, I have only recently seen Ennis' leaning towards Jack even as he's saying "whaaryuun" -- such great acting to show confusion and desire co-mingling. This scene gets better and better.

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Oh god... more details please!! MORE!! I've got one good photo that tent scene from my Oscars booklet that I bought on eBay - just kills me the way the guys just stare into each others eyes.. there's almost a fear on jack's face and this confusion on Ennis's..

I know Sheyne!!! I love this picture! It is SO missed during the movie b/c it;s too dark. They are totally staring deeply at each other in the most intense way. We should--one of should--scan it for the others to see. The next big project (well not so big, but you know...)

The fun continues...

serious crayons · « **Reply #20 on:** April 05, 2006, 02:19:29 pm »

Quote from: newyearsday on April 05, 2006, 02:10:00 pm

And yes, Vic, I have only recently seen Ennis' leaning towards Jack even as he's saying "whaaryuun" -- such great acting to show confusion and desire co-mingling. This scene gets better and better.

Yes, I finally noticed that too only after someone else pointed it out. Now it is one of my favorite things in the movie. Partly because for me that whole moment is one of the most profound and moving in the film. In that moment, Ennis allows himself to acknowledge how attracted he is to Jack, and to set aside all the prejudices and fears he has held all his life so he can follow his desires instead. Yay!

sparkle_motion · « **Reply #21 on:** April 05, 2006, 03:58:02 pm »

I've very excited about seeing this part. I've been thinking about it all day and it seems like it wouldn't fit the scene for Ennis to grab Jack's head. I think it seems too intimate and considering how he acts the next morning, he wasn't in to being intimate on that level yet.

RingerFanatic · « **Reply #22 on:** April 05, 2006, 07:32:19 pm »

Yep! I was so happily surprised to actually see some stuff happening in that first tent scene on my dvd. The theaters were waaaay too dark. You also see a clearer shot of Jack & Ennis sleeping in the tent with Ennis' arms around Jack at their last trip. So sweet! Everything on the dvd looks better lighted.

serious crayons · « **Reply #23 on:** April 06, 2006, 01:10:44 am »

>>You also see a clearer shot of Jack & Ennis sleeping in the tent with Ennis' arms around Jack at their last trip. So sweet!

Oh, thank god! It's the only hopeful moment in the last half of the film; I'd love to see it more clearly.

Ellemeno · « **Reply #24 on:** April 06, 2006, 03:26:17 am »

You guys are not describing my DVD

Mine is very dark. This is the one that Jenny newyearsday bought at that place in New York. Maybe my Amazon one will be better. I hopes. I want to see the handholding.

vkm91941 · « **Reply #25 on:** April 06, 2006, 06:03:47 am »

Hey Elle

Some folks were implying that there may be a problem with the copies ordered from Amazon...Similar to the Wal-Mart issue. BUT I got mine from Amazon and it's perfect...but I have an almost new ( 1 year old) 36 inch Digiital-Stereo Flat Screen TV soooo? Who knows. But I could SEE and HEAR everything perfectly. It was an almost

religious

experience

David · « **Reply #26 on:** April 06, 2006, 06:56:13 am »

Well, you know the old expression Vic, size matters! ROTFLOL

YaadPyar · « **Reply #27 on:** April 06, 2006, 07:39:15 am »

Quote from: vkm91941 on April 06, 2006, 06:03:47 am

BUT I got mine from Amazon and it's perfect...but I have an almost new ( 1 year old) 36 inch Digiital-Stereo Flat Screen TV soooo? Who knows. But I could SEE and HEAR everything perfectly.

DVD from Amazon + 6 yrs-old 20' Sony Vega = perfect pic

No problem with my Amazon DVD whatsoever, but am wondering if I need a bigger tv! The picture on these Sony Vegas is excellent though, so probably won't spend the $$.

welliwont · « **Reply #28 on:** May 18, 2006, 01:48:42 am »

ok, I admit there may be a few threads I have not read entirely, but this seems like a good place to pose this question: at the end of the FNIT scene, just before Ennis drops his head on to Jack's back, there is a a final grunt, and I know why this exquiste noise is uttered, but by whom? Is it Jack, or is it Ennis? I can't figure it out! Anybody???

Aussie Chris · « **Reply #29 on:** May 18, 2006, 03:28:54 am »

Quote from: J on May 18, 2006, 01:48:42 am

ok, I admit there may be a few threads I have not read entirely, but this seems like a good place to pose this question: at the end of the FNIT scene, just before Ennis drops his head on to Jack's back, there is a a final grunt, and I know why this exquiste noise is uttered, but by whom? Is it Jack, or is it Ennis? I can't figure it out! Anybody???

My guess: Ennis as he... <ehem>. No reason, only a guess.

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