Your antipodes

[Shuggy]

That flew over my head so fast it parted my hair.

You lost me on that one Shuggy. I'm not a very intellectual person.

Plato, I'm not.

I wish I could understand it because it sounds very interesting. 

Sorry 'bout that. I'll take it in more detail.
injest wondered how primitive people knew it was hot underneath the earth, giving rise to their myth of Hell. I didn't think they were well connected, since New Zealand's indigenous people, the Maori, are familiar with heat coming from the earth and don't have a myth of Hell. (Instead they have an earthquake god, called Ruaumoko, who is a baby suckling at the Earth Mother's breast. He had been taken underground (under her) when her children turned her over to stop her from being tormented by the sight of the Sky Father. She and he had been locked in a (sexual) embrace, but their children didn't like being trapped between them, so they had separated him from her.)

I wondered what the story is in Hawai`i, where molten lava is relatively common. I doubted that myths of Hell were closely connected with actual underground heat. (Hell derives from the Jewish Sheol, and I'm not even sure if that is a hot place.)

"While the magma/lava glows red when it comes out, it doesn't radiate any light anywhere when its in situ." I was thinking that we think of Hell as being an open space, lit by fires (like inside Mt Doom!), but under the earth is hot and dark.

Hell was traditionally thought to be full of lakes of burning sulphur - I think that could be because burning sulphur is sticky, so it gives you very nasy burns. Some skeptical scientist calculated that Heaven was hotter (seven times something or other - going by some biblical verse) than Hell, whose highest possible termperature is limited by the properties of sulphur."

Primitive people very much went by appearances. For example, if anything moved, they thought it must be alive. So when they saw that overhead was something that looked like a dome studded with stars, they decided that what it was. What was on the other side of the shell of the dome? Aha! It must be Heaven! And so they would conclude that Hell was in a diametrically opposite position, under the earth.

[injest]

sorry didn't mean to hijack your Antipod thread...

[David In Indy]

Sorry 'bout that. I'll take it in more detail.
injest wondered how primitive people knew it was hot underneath the earth, giving rise to their myth of Hell. I didn't think they were well connected, since New Zealand's indigenous people, the Maori, are familiar with heat coming from the earth and don't have a myth of Hell. (Instead they have an earthquake god, called Ruaumoko, who is a baby suckling at the Earth Mother's breast. He had been taken underground (under her) when her children turned her over to stop her from being tormented by the sight of the Sky Father. She and he had been locked in a (sexual) embrace, but their children didn't like being trapped between them, so they had separated him from her.)

I wondered what the story is in Hawai`i, where molten lava is relatively common. I doubted that myths of Hell were closely connected with actual underground heat. (Hell derives from the Jewish Sheol, and I'm not even sure if that is a hot place.)

"While the magma/lava glows red when it comes out, it doesn't radiate any light anywhere when its in situ." I was thinking that we think of Hell as being an open space, lit by fires (like inside Mt Doom!), but under the earth is hot and dark.

Hell was traditionally thought to be full of lakes of burning sulphur - I think that could be because burning sulphur is sticky, so it gives you very nasy burns. Some skeptical scientist calculated that Heaven was hotter (seven times something or other - going by some biblical verse) than Hell, whose highest possible termperature is limited by the properties of sulphur."

Primitive people very much went by appearances. For example, if anything moved, they thought it must be alive. So when they saw that overhead was something that looked like a dome studded with stars, they decided that what it was. What was on the other side of the shell of the dome? Aha! It must be Heaven! And so they would conclude that Hell was in a diametrically opposite position, under the earth.

Wow! I never thought about it like that before Shuggy! Thanks for taking the time to explain it to me! 

[injest]

Sorry 'bout that. I'll take it in more detail.
injest wondered how primitive people knew it was hot underneath the earth, giving rise to their myth of Hell. I didn't think they were well connected, since New Zealand's indigenous people, the Maori, are familiar with heat coming from the earth and don't have a myth of Hell. (Instead they have an earthquake god, called Ruaumoko, who is a baby suckling at the Earth Mother's breast. He had been taken underground (under her) when her children turned her over to stop her from being tormented by the sight of the Sky Father. She and he had been locked in a (sexual) embrace, but their children didn't like being trapped between them, so they had separated him from her.)

I wondered what the story is in Hawai`i, where molten lava is relatively common. I doubted that myths of Hell were closely connected with actual underground heat. (Hell derives from the Jewish Sheol, and I'm not even sure if that is a hot place.)

"While the magma/lava glows red when it comes out, it doesn't radiate any light anywhere when its in situ." I was thinking that we think of Hell as being an open space, lit by fires (like inside Mt Doom!), but under the earth is hot and dark.

Hell was traditionally thought to be full of lakes of burning sulphur - I think that could be because burning sulphur is sticky, so it gives you very nasy burns. Some skeptical scientist calculated that Heaven was hotter (seven times something or other - going by some biblical verse) than Hell, whose highest possible termperature is limited by the properties of sulphur."

Primitive people very much went by appearances. For example, if anything moved, they thought it must be alive. So when they saw that overhead was something that looked like a dome studded with stars, they decided that what it was. What was on the other side of the shell of the dome? Aha! It must be Heaven! And so they would conclude that Hell was in a diametrically opposite position, under the earth.

maybe hell was not a good example...and I am not talking about primitive as in the Maori..I was thinking more of very ancient people. Cavemen and such (before written history)

[Shuggy]

maybe hell was not a good example...and I am not talking about primitive as in the Maori..I was thinking more of very ancient people. Cavemen and such (before written history)

Well I don't know if cave men had a myth of Hell. As I say, I think the myth of a hot Hell with devils is a Christian invention, helped by artists like Bosch - quite recent. These things get grafted on to each other, in the same way that no image of Santa's sleigh would now be complete without a red-nosed reindeer.

[Shuggy]

I've now made a version for T-shirts, etc. and they're at http://www.cafepress.com/ahua/2090491.
But someone's posted one ex Wikipedia which is transparent, and that's so much better. Damn, I'll have to redo it.

So now I have and it looks like this. Someone's already bought two t-shirts of it. I hope they like what they get, because it may not be quite what they asked for.

And I like the idea so much of a dog wearing a T-shirt with a map showing it where to dig that I've moved that one to the top:

[David In Indy]

So now I have and it looks like this. Someone's already bought two t-shirts of it. I hope they like what they get, because it may not be quite what they asked for.

And I like the idea so much of a dog wearing a T-shirt with a map showing it where to dig that I've moved that one to the top:

Is he your dog Shuggy?? He's adorable!!!

What a cutie!! 

[Shuggy]

Is he your dog Shuggy?? He's adorable!!!

What a cutie!! 

Don't let my husband hear that. He's always on at me to get a dog. No, he's a generic dog: he models that T-shirt with any image you upload and select "Dog T-shirt" as one of the products you want to sell it on.

[dot-matrix]

So now I have and it looks like this. Someone's already bought two t-shirts of it. I hope they like what they get, because it may not be quite what they asked for.

And I like the idea so much of a dog wearing a T-shirt with a map showing it where to dig that I've moved that one to the top:

I know who just bought the those 2 T-shirts and she'll be very happy with them!  No Worries Shuggy 

[Shuggy]

I know who just bought the those 2 T-shirts and she'll be very happy with them!  No Worries Shuggy 

Thank you. My best wishes to her. I think that was the fastest sale I ever made. I wish I knew the secret of bringing the right people to my pages. I tried Google advertising but it had no visilble effect on sales. I am no entrepreneur, and when I try I just look silly. Yesterday someone was talking to me about business models for publicising and bringing people to another of my creations, and it just made my head hurt. My forte is creating the images.