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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061103/ap_on_re_us/haggard_sex_allegations

Evangelist steps down amid gay sex claim

By CATHERINE TSAI, Associated Press Writer

A leading evangelist and outspoken opponent of gay marriage has given up his post as president of the National Association of Evangelicals while a church panel investigates allegations he paid a man for sex.

The Rev. Ted Haggard resigned as head of the 30 million-member association Thursday and also gave up leadership of his New Life Church pending the investigation into allegations he had monthly trysts with a gay prostitute over the past three years.

Haggard, a married father of five, denied the allegations, but the acting pastor of his church later said that Haggard had acknowledged some of the accusations were true.

"I just know that there has been some admission of indiscretion, not admission to all of the material that has been discussed, but there is an admission of some guilt," Ross Parsley told KKTV-TV of Colorado Springs.

Parlsey did not elaborate, but in an e-mail addressed to congregants, he wrote that the church's four-member board of overseers had since met with Haggard.

"It is important for you to know that he confessed to the overseers that some of the accusations against him are true. He has willingly and humbly submitted to the authority of the board of overseers, and will remain on administrative leave during the course of the investigation," the e-mail stated. A copy was obtained by KMGH-TV in Denver.

Late Wednesday, Haggard told KUSA-TV: "I've never had a gay relationship with anybody, and I'm steady with my wife, I'm faithful to my wife."

The allegations surfaced as voters in Colorado and seven other states get ready to decide Tuesday on amendments banning gay marriage. Besides the proposed ban on the Colorado ballot, a separate measure would establish the legality of domestic partnerships providing same-sex couples with many of the rights of married couples.

Members of Haggard's 14,000-member megachurch were stunned.

"It's political, right before the elections," said Brian Boals, a New Life member for 17 years.

Church member E.J. Cox, 25, called the claims "ridiculous."

"People are always saying stuff about Pastor Ted," she said. "You just sort of blow it off. He's just like anyone else in the public eye."

The accusations were made by Mike Jones, 49, of Denver, who said he decided to go public because of the political fight over the amendments.

"I just want people to step back and take a look and say, 'Look, we're all sinners, we all have faults, but if two people want to get married, just let them, and let them have a happy life,'" said Jones, who added that he isn't working for any political group.

Jones, who said he is gay, said he was also upset when he discovered Haggard and the New Life Church had publicly opposed same-sex marriage.

"It made me angry that here's someone preaching about gay marriage and going behind the scenes having gay sex," he said.

Jones claimed Haggard paid him to have sex nearly every month over three years. He said he advertised himself as an escort on the Internet and was contacted by a man who called himself Art, who snorted methamphetamine before their sexual encounters to heighten his experience.

Jones said he later saw the man on television identified as Haggard and that the two last had sex in August.

He said he has voice mail messages from Haggard, as well as an envelope he said Haggard used to mail him cash. He declined to make the voice mails available to the AP, but KUSA-TV reported what it said were excerpts late Thursday that referred to methamphetamine.

"Hi Mike, this is Art," one call began, according to the station. "Hey, I was just calling to see if we could get any more. Either $100 or $200 supply."

A second message, left a few hours later, began: "Hi Mike, this is Art, I am here in Denver and sorry that I missed you. But as I said, if you want to go ahead and get the stuff, then that would be great. And I'll get it sometime next week or the week after or whenever."

Haggard, 50, was appointed president of the evangelicals association in March 2003. He has participated in conservative Christian leaders' conference calls with White House staffers and lobbied members of Congress last year on U.S. Supreme Court appointees after Sandra Day O'Connor announced her retirement.

After Massachusetts legalized gay marriage in 2004, Haggard and others began organizing state-by-state opposition. Last year, Haggard and officials from the nearby Christian ministry Focus on the Family announced plans to push Colorado's gay marriage ban for the 2006 ballot.

At the time, Haggard said that he believed marriage is a union between a man and woman rooted in centuries of tradition, and that research shows it's the best family unit for children.

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Associated Press Writer Dan Elliott contributed to this report from Denver.

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Re: I know it's probably wrong of me, but I find this *really* funny...
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2006, 11:49:12 am »
"People are always saying stuff about Pastor Ted," she said. "You just sort of blow it off.  He's just like anyone else in the public eye."

HUHN?  ???

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Re: I know it's probably wrong of me, but I find this *really* funny...
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2006, 12:09:53 pm »
"People are always saying stuff about Pastor Ted," she said. "You just sort of blow it off.  He's just like anyone else in the public eye."

Yeah, kinda like how you just kinda blow it off every time someone says George W. Bush is an incompetent idiot, right?

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Well, that explains a lot, doesn't it?
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Re: I know it's probably wrong of me, but I find this *really* funny...
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2006, 12:21:00 pm »
The accusations were made by Mike Jones, 49, of Denver, who said he decided to go public because of the political fight over the amendments.

"I just want people to step back and take a look and say, 'Look, we're all sinners, we all have faults, but if two people want to get married, just let them, and let them have a happy life,'" said Jones, who added that he isn't working for any political group.

Jones, who said he is gay, said he was also upset when he discovered Haggard and the New Life Church had publicly opposed same-sex marriage.

Mike Jones has a lot of courage to come forward like this.  Really, this is the kind of whistle blower needed in this kind of situation - the person who actually was there while the public homophobe has gay sex.  And drugs.  Maybe he'll encourage other people to come forward, because it sure seems like scratch a homophobe, find a closeted gay.

Does anyone remember the article that we used to post as replies to homophobic trolls at IMDb, about the corellation between gay-hating and being gay-repressed?  I'd love to send that to all of these rightwing religious public gay-bashers.


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Re: I know it's probably wrong of me, but I find this *really* funny...
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2006, 12:40:41 pm »
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scratch a homophobe, find a closeted gay.

That point is what makes me profoundly sad in reading this newest story, rather than just angry and annoyed. The fear, shame and anger that probably must be behind behaving so dishonestly, - deliberately hurting himself and many, many others in the process, continuing the ugly cycle of prejudice and hatred by means of his preaching and how it impacts others....
« Last Edit: November 03, 2006, 12:50:26 pm by Mikaela »

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Re: I know it's probably wrong of me, but I find this *really* funny...
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2006, 02:25:33 pm »
I agree, Mikaela.  And that's exactly what I meant in saying that it's probably very wrong of me to find it funny.  You're absolutely right - the hate that these folks propagate by behaving in such a manner is something to feel angy and sad about, indeed.

Do you know what also makes me angry?  Is when the Republicans inevitably (and they already have) come out and say about such things, "The timing is suspect."  Well, no DUH.  In this case, the whistleblower deliberately did it when he did for political reasons and says so.  But the thing is THIS IS NOT THE POINT.  The point is that the right wing is the biggest bunch of hypocrites that ever walked the face of this planet.  Doesn't matter when someone blows the whistle - what matters is that there is reason to at all.  Sheesh.

And besides, the Republican Party wrote the friggin' book on dropping 11th hour bombshells.  How they *dare* to say one word about a member from the other side doing the same is beyond mind-blowing.

I'll say it again.  7 November cannot get here fast enough.
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Re: I know it's probably wrong of me, but I find this *really* funny...
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2006, 03:50:39 pm »
Barb, I don’t think it’s wrong to ridicule/laugh at people who are hypocrites.  Hypocrite is what Ted Haggard is, who denounced others for their “sins” when he was engaging in it.  Let that be having a gay relationship or using methamphetamine.

Whether everything Mike Jones said is true still needs to be proved, but at least there is some truth in the allegation since “the church's Acting Senior Pastor, Ross Parsley said that Pastor Haggard has admitted to some of the indiscretions claimed by Mike Jones, but not all of them. “  The question that people wonder now is what those indiscretions were.

I tried to post the link of the video that he denied the allegation before words getting out that he admitted some guilt, but the link won’t work.  You can check out the video via the CNN story ( http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/03/haggard.allegations/index.html).  Again, what a hypocrite!

Some past video of Ted Haggard preaching on homosexuality:
http://www.kktv.com/news/headlines/4557411.html

A friend forwarded me more comments on the blog of a gay columnist.  I was laughing out loud reading some of comments.
http://www.thestranger.com/blog/2006/11/better_and_better.php
http://www.thestranger.com/blog/2006/11/stiff_upper_lip_or_c.php
http://www.thestranger.com/blog/2006/11/some_of_the_allegati.php

« Last Edit: November 03, 2006, 03:55:43 pm by JennyC »

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Re: I know it's probably wrong of me, but I find this *really* funny...
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2006, 04:03:22 pm »
NPR had a story about Haggard this morning. One of the church members talked about how Haggard would be "exonerated." Like it's a crime to be gay. Like being gay is worse than being a hypocritical bigot.

The saddest part is that, somewhere, there is a kid who goes to the New Life Church, and he/she is sitting there listening to his or her parents rant about the people accusing their pastor of being gay, and the kid is just dying inside, because he/she is just coming to realize that he/she is attracted to men/women. (Maybe it's a boy who has been fantasizing about the art on the church walls that the blogger linked to.) And whatever happens with the election, that kid is going to bear the scars of all this hatred.

I know people who have relatives who go to that church. I get fliers in the mail from them. Those poor kids.
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Re: I know it's probably wrong of me, but I find this *really* funny...
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2006, 04:12:56 pm »
I hear that, Naky.  The issue here of course is not that he *is* gay, but that he preached against being what he is.  That would be like me preaching against being a straight woman.  The only thing they should be considering exonerating him for is lying to them in the first place.

And yes, I feel bad for the children who have had and will have to listen to all the anti-gay ranting and raving.  Their parents are already too far gone for pity.
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Re: I know it's probably wrong of me, but I find this *really* funny...
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2006, 05:04:58 pm »
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he/she is sitting there listening to his or her parents rant about the people accusing their pastor of being gay, and the kid is just dying inside, because he/she is just coming to realize that he/she is attracted to men/women.

..and when that kid grows up, there's a certain likelihood he/she will become active in continuing the cycle. Fighting equal marriage acts, preaching against gay relationships, doing everything to make the load heavier for those more courageous ones who've dared to come out. While himself/herself either living in total denial, or dying inside at living such a hypocritical lie. **Groan** It's all just so horribly depressing to think about it.

That said, I had a look at some of the links related to Mr. Haggard specifically, including one interview with him on YOuTube. Urgh!!!  6 minutes and I just wanted to hit something or run away screaming, based on what he was saying, and how he was saying it - and all that entirely unrelated to the recent (alleged) hypocricy. I had never heard of this person before, lucky me. What an unpleasant acquaintance.


One of the other links, an article on his church, says:
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No pastor in America holds more sway over the political direction of evangelicalism than does Pastor Ted, and no church more than New Life.

If that is really true, dare one hope that something good might come out of the current story - that the political direction of evangelicalism exercise a bit of humility and take a long, good, hard look at their own hypocricy and prejudices? Nah. It's probably to much to hope for.... :-\