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Really OT: United 93
« on: April 05, 2006, 08:51:08 pm »
The movie United 93 about 9/11........is it too early?  Too early to have a film about it?  NYC theaters are pulling the trailer from their theaters......what do you think?

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Re: Really OT: United 93
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2006, 08:52:06 pm »
I think it's too early..but I'll probably still go see it.

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« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2006, 08:55:34 pm »
Agreed.....I'll have to see it no matter what.....I'm kind of lookin forward to it but I can also understand why New York of course would be upset about it...

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Re: Really OT: United 93
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2006, 08:57:49 pm »
There's another one coming out later this year called World Trade Center I believe

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Re: Really OT: United 93
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2006, 08:59:54 pm »
Yep Oliver Stone.....sometime in the summer. 

Lots of Controversy over that too...

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Re: Really OT: United 93
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2006, 09:08:12 pm »
Yep. You would think they could have come up with a better name though doncha think? World Trade Center is a little too blunt IMO. September would've been nice.

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Re: Really OT: United 93
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2006, 09:13:18 pm »
LOL....I agree 100%.....its not real creative and like you said.....blunt! 

MI:III, Pirates, X-3, Da Vinci Code, Superman.....its gonna be a good summer!  :) ;) ;D

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Re: Really OT: United 93
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2006, 09:19:27 pm »
can't stand Tom Cruise so I won't be seeing MI3..but the rest look good, especially x3..even though I haven't seen the other 2 lol

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Re: Really OT: United 93
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2006, 09:21:58 pm »
I can't stand Tom either but im a MI fan.....

You haven't seen X-Men or X2?  You gotta check em out.....expecially before you see X3 otherwise it won't make any sense...... ;D

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Re: Really OT: United 93
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2006, 09:23:37 pm »
Yep Oliver Stone.....sometime in the summer. 

Lots of Controversy over that too...

Just put Oliver Stone's name in connection with it and controversy is a gven!  It's enough to make me keep my money. He's really over-rated as a director IMO

I'm with ya though on  Pirates, X-3, Da Vinci Code, and Superman...I spend no money on Cruise, if HBO shows MI-3 then I'll prob watch it of a Satruday night.

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Re: Really OT: United 93
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2006, 09:24:20 pm »
Too early for me.

I watched the documentaries that came out after and read one book and it was too much.

The fact that I'm terrified of flying doesn't make watching or reading about it any easier.

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« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2006, 09:25:37 pm »
Agreed on the Stone thing Vic....

I'll see them all whether I like it or not.....I'll bet my left leg that Pirates leads the box office this year though.....cha ching! 

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Re: Really OT: United 93
« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2006, 09:27:28 pm »
I haven't seen any of the Pirate movies, but Verbinski is a good director
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Re: Really OT: United 93
« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2006, 09:28:06 pm »
My sister's boyfriend's brother was on that plane.  He had a pilot's license and was in the aviation safety industry.

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« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2006, 09:29:06 pm »
You haven't seen Pirates either?  

Oh man your missin out on some great flicks!  Johnny Depp is funny as hell...

You gotta see the Pirates before you see Pirates 2....

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Re: Really OT: United 93
« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2006, 09:29:32 pm »
Hey Chris...Did you ever get to see the Libertine?  I'm still haven't spoken to a real person who's seen it.  I love Johnny Depp but not so much I'll waste my time and cash if it's as bad as they say.  anyone?

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« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2006, 09:30:26 pm »
No I really don't have much of a desire to see Pirates, but we have it here..

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Re: Really OT: United 93
« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2006, 09:31:37 pm »
Hey Chris...Did you ever get to see the Libertine?  I'm still haven't spoken to a real person who's seen it.  I love Johnny Depp but not so much I'll waste my time and cash if it's as bad as they say.  anyone?

No I never saw it.....got mixed reviews though.....I'll buy it on DVD..

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« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2006, 09:44:41 pm »
Hey Chris...Did you ever get to see the Libertine?  I'm still haven't spoken to a real person who's seen it.  I love Johnny Depp but not so much I'll waste my time and cash if it's as bad as they say.  anyone?

My best friend is a Johnny Depp fan and she saw it.  Said it was OK.  Not as bad as I told her some of the reviews were.

The minute the Mission Impossible movies became a single person vehicle for Tom Cruise I stopped watching.  The whole Mission Impossible thing was originally about team-work not one guy who's the super-spy.

Plus I already watch movies about a super-spy who can do anything and everything - but he dresses better.  They're called 'James Bond' movies.

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« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2006, 09:46:22 pm »
Plus I already watch movies about a super-spy who can do anything and everything - but he dresses better.  They're called 'James Bond' movies.

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Re: Really OT: United 93
« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2006, 09:52:42 pm »
I'm dying to see X-3, big X-fan here.  The second one rocks.  As far as this United 93 movie, the biggest problem I have with it is that it seems so speculative.  Aside from a few bittersweet last phone calls, what can we really know about what happened on that flight? 

As a NYer, I'd be more interested in seeing something that handles how people deal with life afterwards or get through their grief and loss.  I guess I'll wait and see what kind of reviews this one gets.

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« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2006, 09:54:03 pm »
Aside from a few bittersweet last phone calls, what can we really know about what happened on that flight? 

I know what you mean.....I guess thats what makes it historical fiction....

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Re: Really OT: United 93
« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2006, 10:57:22 pm »
it is waaaaay too early.  and unnecessary.  we all lived through it.  they can start making movies about it in 20 years.  it just comes off as nothing but exploitative this soon.  why would we want to watch a movie about it when we saw it with our own eyes and everything that has come from it?  sorry just the thought of it makes my blood boil.

on a lighter note, x3 should be awesome.  i'm not a video game nerd or anything, but silent hill is the best video game ever and the movie actually looks really fuckin cool  (can we cuss on here?)  also excited as hell for dreamgirls. 
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Re: Really OT: United 93
« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2006, 12:59:31 am »
it is waaaaay too early.  and unnecessary.  we all lived through it.  they can start making movies about it in 20 years.  it just comes off as nothing but exploitative this soon.  why would we want to watch a movie about it when we saw it with our own eyes and everything that has come from it?  sorry just the thought of it makes my blood boil.

My father had a meeting at the World Trade Center that morning, but his flight got in late.  He was in a taxi telling the cabbie to hurry up when he saw the first plane hit.  My brother was working at the Pentagon (he's a journalist) when it was hit.  I couldn't get through to anyone in my family for hours.  A really, really bad day.  But we all came out of it okay. 

9/11 had a massive impact on me, as it did so many others.  I haven't stopped grieving.  However, I don't think that it's too early to address it.  In fact, I'm frankly surprised that it's taken this long.  (Recall how many people declared that America wasn't yet ready for Brokeback)  I believe so strongly that art has not only a right, but also a responsibility to tell the stories of our times.  One can certainly make the argument that the studio that financed United 93 is looking at the bottom line, and not at the artistry or cultural relevance.  Nevertheless, it appears to be a film put together with the utmost sensitivity - every single one of the families of the victims signed off on the film.  Not one has said that this film shouldn't have been made.  In fact, many of them have articulated just how vital it is that we take the time to remember, how important and respectful the film is.

I dunno.  It won't be nearly as much fun as Pirates or Superman, and I expect the jokes will be thin on the ground.  But I'll still go see it.  And I will remember.  And I will remind myself that though the current administration would like us to believe many things about terrorism and its purveyors, a more honest reflection of its reality can be no bad thing.

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Re: Really OT: United 93
« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2006, 01:04:04 am »
Hey Chris...Did you ever get to see the Libertine?  I'm still haven't spoken to a real person who's seen it.  I love Johnny Depp but not so much I'll waste my time and cash if it's as bad as they say.  anyone?

My best friend is a Johnny Depp fan and she saw it.  Said it was OK.  Not as bad as I told her some of the reviews were.

The minute the Mission Impossible movies became a single person vehicle for Tom Cruise I stopped watching.  The whole Mission Impossible thing was originally about team-work not one guy who's the super-spy.

Plus I already watch movies about a super-spy who can do anything and everything - but he dresses better.  They're called 'James Bond' movies.

Hey Del Thanks for the notes on The Libertine, and Re Cruise verseses Bond...touche'....Bond is a class act all the way no matter who portrays him, althought I still have my doubts about Daniel Craig being right for the part...time will tell. 

After all.. I was one of those fools who cried "Jake Gyllenhaal and Heath Ledger what the hell are they thinking"!  Never been so pleased about being wrong in my life!
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Re: Really OT: United 93
« Reply #25 on: April 06, 2006, 01:10:13 am »
At the end of this month I'm singing in some performances of John Adams On the Transmigration of Souls, a big piece for chorus, children's chorus and orchestra whose text is made up of snippets from missing persons signs made by people looking for their family members after September 11.  It is so haunting.  I'm much more interested in a piece of music than a movie, in this case.  My nervous system is... I don't know.  Nervous.

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Re: Really OT: United 93
« Reply #26 on: April 06, 2006, 01:14:56 am »
I believe so strongly that art has not only a right, but also a responsibility to tell the stories of our times.  One can certainly make the argument that the studio that financed United 93 is looking at the bottom line, and not at the artistry or cultural relevance.  Nevertheless, it appears to be a film put together with the utmost sensitivity - every single one of the families of the victims signed off on the film.  Not one has said that this film shouldn't have been made.  In fact, many of them have articulated just how vital it is that we take the time to remember, how important and respectful the film is.

when you put it that way, you have a valid point.  all i had seen was the trailer and it just drove me insane.  we are in iraq, still, on false pretenses.  we can not find bin laden.  many members of this administration have been or are being investigated for multiple crimes (someone in the dept of homeland security arrested today for pedophilia) and that's barely the tip of the iceberg.  but we can make a movie out of 9/11.  we can't fix it, we can't solve it, but we sure can exploit it.  it may end up being a great movie, who knows.  but the fact is the administration is using it to their advantage, as they have from the beginning, and making a movie so soon just seems to me to be feeding off of the fear-mongering the administration provokes.

of course we have to remember, how could anyone possibly forget?  but i would be demanding investigations and apologies before i approved a film about it.  but again, i guess we'll see when the movie comes out.  maybe, hopefully, it will help.
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Re: Really OT: United 93
« Reply #27 on: April 06, 2006, 01:33:45 am »
it may end up being a great movie, who knows.  but the fact is the administration is using it to their advantage, as they have from the beginning, and making a movie so soon just seems to me to be feeding off of the fear-mongering the administration provokes.

LD, I hate how I con't convey with my tone of voice right now how I don't mean what I'm going to say in an argumentative way.  I swear to god, I'm don't.

How is the administration using the film?  I hadn't heard that they were supporting it, or affiliated with it any any way.  Is that common knowledge?  Fill me in!  I'm no apologist for the Bushies, and I agree that their fear-mongering is unbelievably offensive and vile.  But I have not heard that they are championing it. 

In some ways, it strikes me that they'd have a lot to fear if people start being reminded again of how badly the administration has screwed things up since 9/11.  Americans might start asking them a few more uncomfortable questions about how they allowed the attacks to occur, and why they haven't caught the people who masterminded it.  They've got a lot to answer for, if you ask me.  But then, nobody is!  ;D

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« Reply #28 on: April 06, 2006, 02:03:49 am »
it may end up being a great movie, who knows.  but the fact is the administration is using it to their advantage, as they have from the beginning, and making a movie so soon just seems to me to be feeding off of the fear-mongering the administration provokes.
<snip>How is the administration using the film?  I hadn't heard that they were supporting it, or affiliated with it any any way.  Is that common knowledge?  Fill me in!  I'm no apologist for the Bushies, and I agree that their fear-mongering is unbelievably offensive and vile.  But I have not heard that they are championing it.  <snip>
Chanterais I haven't heard of the administration specifically endorsing the film, but there is a connection through the media.  In a way the point of the film follows some of the media speculation about how the passengers acted to try and 'bring down' the terrorists on board the flight.  I was never convinced of this either way.  Reportedly some of the conversations to loved ones from cell phones indicated there might be a response, but we'll never really know. 

The Advocate, a gay weekly magazine, made Mark Bingham, a gay man who was onboard, person of the year for supposing that "he was the type of guy who would've done something".  It would be comforting and reassuring to think that the passengers acted in some kind of aggressive way to try and save themselves, and given the tragedy of the whole event I can understand the need to find heroes for inspiration.  But I can imagine the media making a further distraction from the Bush administration's dangerous policies if the movie turns out to strike a chord.  Not necessarily something the White House would orchestrate...sad thing is, they wouldn't even have to with media coverage being what it is.

I was much more interested in your own personal experience of 9/11.  It sounds extremely intense, and I think a good filmmaker could make a powerful movie about the way people who were similarly affected, or did lose loved ones, have dealt with the aftermath.  Granted that would be a harder movie to make as well, but as someone posted and I agree, that's the job of art....telling real stories to illuminate our humanity.

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Re: Really OT: United 93
« Reply #29 on: April 06, 2006, 08:52:04 am »
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Plus I already watch movies about a super-spy who can do anything and everything - but he dresses better.  They're called 'James Bond' movies.

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Hey Del Thanks for the notes on The Libertine, and Re Cruise verseses Bond...touche'....Bond is a class act all the way no matter who portrays him, althought I still have my doubts about Daniel Craig being right for the part...time will tell. 

After all.. I was one of those fools who cried "Jake Gyllenhaal and Heath Ledger what the hell are they thinking"!  Never been so pleased about being wrong in my life!

Heh, I think Craig will do OK.  When the announcement came on, the women at work were like, 'who's Daniel Craig?' and I replied, "The guy who did the naked scene in 'Lara Croft Tomb Raider'" and they replied, "Oh, ok."

He at least fits one part of the bill.  ;D

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Re: Really OT: United 93
« Reply #30 on: April 06, 2006, 09:15:43 am »
LD, I hate how I con't convey with my tone of voice right now how I don't mean what I'm going to say in an argumentative way.  I swear to god, I'm don't.

How is the administration using the film?  I hadn't heard that they were supporting it, or affiliated with it any any way.  Is that common knowledge?  Fill me in!  I'm no apologist for the Bushies, and I agree that their fear-mongering is unbelievably offensive and vile.  But I have not heard that they are championing it. 

chant, sorry if i came off as argumentative!  that's the trouble with the net i guess.  i should've been more clear, what i meant was the film comes off as feeding off the fear-mongering of the administration, not that the administration is endorsing it.  i'm sure the administration will avoid it at all costs because if it is at all accurate, it will make them look like bigger idiots than they already are.
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« Reply #31 on: April 06, 2006, 09:28:25 am »
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How is the administration using the film?  I hadn't heard that they were supporting it, or affiliated with it any any way.  Is that common knowledge?  Fill me in!  I'm no apologist for the Bushies, and I agree that their fear-mongering is unbelievably offensive and vile.  But I have not heard that they are championing it. 

In some ways, it strikes me that they'd have a lot to fear if people start being reminded again of how badly the administration has screwed things up since 9/11.  Americans might start asking them a few more uncomfortable questions about how they allowed the attacks to occur, and why they haven't caught the people who masterminded it.  They've got a lot to answer for, if you ask me.  But then, nobody is!  ;D

Chan, if the government is using or endorsed the film somehow I wouldn't be surprised.  I haven't heard either that they have, but we wouldn't necessarily hear if they did or not.  Who knows?  People don't 'forget' such things happen, but the impact certainly fades.  I believe some scientists put the 'forgetting' thing at like 6-7 years.  That's why the worst disaster can happen, horrible earthquakes, floods, wildfires, hurricanes, hundreds of thousands of people injured, killed or losing everything, then in a few years, people move back into these places again. [shrug]  You would've thought they'd remember what happened.  They do, but the impact of the disaster fades.

It would behoove any government in a time of war to continually remind its people why they're fighting a war, hence newsreels, constant coverage and movies.  I strongly believe our government has their finger in almost every media pie.  That's why the History Channel is forever showing war documentatires or documentaries on the Middle East or Middle Eastern religions.  This seems to have been a trend starting after 9/11.  I've been watching the channel for years and for me, being totally uninterested in almost all of the above, it's like "What, another Middle East program?"  It's like no other region or part of the world had history.

Yes, Bush and company haven't found Osama (as if that would stop anything) and totally screwed up by going into Iraq, but tail wagging the dog there, and believe me I have friends who are staunch Bush supporters and they certainly don't blame Bush for all this, including 9/11.  That's all Clinton's fault because he was offered Osama as a prisoner by some country and refused, Clinton did not act when our bases were bombed in Kenya, the ship attacked in the harbor, etc., etc.

They firmly blame Clinton for his inaction which would have prevented all this.

According to them.
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Re: Really OT: United 93
« Reply #32 on: April 06, 2006, 10:42:33 am »
They firmly blame Clinton for his inaction which would have prevented all this.

i wonder how they feel about the memo from august of 01?  it's so easy to blame clinton, isn't it?  i'm by no means a clinton supporter (although bush makes him seem like a hero in comparison)

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"On August 6, 2001, President Bush received a briefing by the CIA titled Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S. (National Post, May 20, 2002, p.1) The report was prepared at Mr. Bush's request after he became alarmed at warnings of 'an impending attack in the summer of 2001.' (ibid., p. A9) At the time, Bush was concerned about 'domestic targets.' Yet According to Jonathan Freeland (writing in the National Guardian, May 30-June 5, 2002 p. 11) "Vice President Dick Cheney sat on a Counter-Terrorism Bill passed to him in July, 2001. The Attorney General John Ashcroft refused a demand for more FBI anti-terrorism agents. The Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld did not deploy a predator drone aircraft which the Clinton Administration had used to track Bin Laden. National Security Advisor Condi Rice was warned by her Clintonite predecessor that she should spend more time on Al Qaeda than any other issue.' She didn't."

Source: "The FBI's Radical Fundamentalist Unit in Washington D.C." (http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MOO208B.html) by Steve Moore, Global Research, August 18, 2002.

adding on to my original complaint, i would prefer a documentary, interviews with the families, the tapes, questions, answers, instead of a dramatized depiction of the events. 
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« Reply #33 on: April 06, 2006, 11:25:50 am »
They firmly blame Clinton for his inaction which would have prevented all this.

i wonder how they feel about the memo from august of 01?  it's so easy to blame clinton, isn't it?  i'm by no means a clinton supporter (although bush makes him seem like a hero in comparison)

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"On August 6, 2001, President Bush received a briefing by the CIA titled Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S. (National Post, May 20, 2002, p.1) The report was prepared at Mr. Bush's request after he became alarmed at warnings of 'an impending attack in the summer of 2001.' (ibid., p. A9) At the time, Bush was concerned about 'domestic targets.' Yet According to Jonathan Freeland (writing in the National Guardian, May 30-June 5, 2002 p. 11) "Vice President Dick Cheney sat on a Counter-Terrorism Bill passed to him in July, 2001. The Attorney General John Ashcroft refused a demand for more FBI anti-terrorism agents. The Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld did not deploy a predator drone aircraft which the Clinton Administration had used to track Bin Laden. National Security Advisor Condi Rice was warned by her Clintonite predecessor that she should spend more time on Al Qaeda than any other issue.' She didn't."

Source: "The FBI's Radical Fundamentalist Unit in Washington D.C." (http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MOO208B.html) by Steve Moore, Global Research, August 18, 2002.

adding on to my original complaint, i would prefer a documentary, interviews with the families, the tapes, questions, answers, instead of a dramatized depiction of the events. 
Exactly, something that would look at what we actually know about what happened that raises difficult questions.  Something less flashy than what, say, Michael Moore would do but keep the issue relevant and tied to what we're doing in Iraq.

On the other hand, a fictional movie could still be done well without having to recreate the attacks.  At this point it's about the survivors as much as those who were lost.  And I love it when people can get info like that so readily, I wish I could do that better.

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Re: Really OT: United 93
« Reply #34 on: April 06, 2006, 03:52:08 pm »
So many good points, Juan, Delalluvia and Little.  So many.  I'm not going to quote them all, because I would have to copy and paste everything.  But I agree with most all of what you say.  Jeez, you guys are convincing.

I think that's an extremely good point about making a really superb documentary.  Gosh, I hope they do that, anyway.

And yes, I shouldn't dip into Bush-blame for 9/11.  I actually don't believe that he could have stopped them.  My supervisor here at university is a specialist in the history of espionage, and he is constantly reminding me that the systemic problems of intelligence services is that they have to deal with such a vast ammount of 'noise', or innocuous information, with tiny, microscopic information about real threats mixed in with an avalanche of rubbish.  It is very, very hard to get it right all the time.  Unfortunately, when it goes wrong, it tends to be pretty noticeable.

Nor do I believe that Clinton was responsible.  Or to put it another way, they're all responsible, a steady blindfold put on about how the U.S. and British governments have been screwing around in the Middle East for over a century.  The roots are deep.

Anyway, I find all of what you guys said extremely, extremely interesting.  Gosh, it's lovely when you can mull this stuff over aloud, isn't it?  And Littledarlin, I never thought that you were being argumentative.  You've been so calm and well-reasoned.  It was me I was talking about.  (It's all about me, right?)  I didn't want to give the impression that I was angry or challenging you, because I really respect what you have to say.  I wish we had a font for that.  Plus one for sarcasm.

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Re: Really OT: United 93
« Reply #35 on: April 06, 2006, 03:58:24 pm »
I wish we had a font for that.  Plus one for sarcasm.

LOL omg do you realize how many confrontations i could've avoided in my lifetime if a sarcastic font existed?
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« Reply #36 on: April 06, 2006, 04:00:41 pm »
I wish we had a font for that.  Plus one for sarcasm.

LOL omg do you realize how many confrontations i could've avoided in my lifetime if a sarcastic font existed?

Oh, me too, me too!

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Re: Really OT: United 93
« Reply #37 on: April 06, 2006, 07:59:07 pm »
Sarah, that's very powerful.  Sorry it got lost in the thread.  I'd love to have my heart ripped open listening.

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Re: Really OT: United 93
« Reply #38 on: April 07, 2006, 10:43:42 am »
Here's an interesting discussion from Slate about whether or not to show the trailer.

United 93
A brief Slate debate about the controversial new movie.
By Michael Agger, Dahlia Lithwick, Meghan O'Rourke, and June Thomas
Posted Thursday, April 6, 2006, at 5:34 PM ET



http://www.slate.com/id/2139468/nav/tap2/
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Re: Really OT: United 93
« Reply #39 on: April 17, 2006, 09:59:17 pm »
Why am I concerned all of a sudden with how Stone portrays the hero Mark Bingham?  Stone is gay friendly, possibly even friendlier than gay friendly. 

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Hero of Flight 93 (Advocate Books: Life Stories Series)

FROM THE PUBLISHER
Bravery in the face of unimaginable terror prevented greater tragedy on September 11, 2001, when a group of passengers overpowered the hijackers of United Airlines Flight 93. Their heroism and sacrifice inspired us all. One of these passengers was Mark Bingham, a living-out-loud, gregarious, gay man. But who was Mark Bingham really? What was it about this man that caused his friends to unanimously say that he must have been one of the men who rushed the hijackers? The Advocate's senior news editor Jon Barrett interviewed those who knew him best, starting with the mother who instilled in him the belief that he could be anything, to the friends, lovers, business associates, and rugby teammates who complete the picture of a man determined to never take second place. This is his story, told to remind all Americans that heroism knows no sexuality.

Jon Barrett is the senior news editor for The Advocate magazine, and the author of the cover story on Mark Bingham in The Advocate upon which this book is based. He lives in Los Angeles.

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After a little imdb research I found out that gay actor Cheyenne Jackson plays Mark Bingham.  Can you believe it?  A gay man is actually cast in a gay hero role.

http://imdb.com/name/nm2091145/board/nest/40767151
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Re: Really OT: United 93
« Reply #40 on: April 17, 2006, 10:37:17 pm »
I have to say, I'm not sure who is doing the marketing for United 93, but while waiting to watch a stupid romantic comedy movie, the preview for this was shown.

I had gone OUT of my way to avoid even looking at the preview and there it was.  I was squirming in my seat, but luckily for me, all they showed was a flight controller's view of the plane on the radar - or whatever it is they use - and the camera view just zoomed in closer and closer and closer to the little plane shape while you just heard a jumble of voices talking over each other.  You clearly heard a woman on the phone say, "honey it's me.  My plane's been hijacked.' and you clearly hear another phone voice say, "I gotta go, they/we? about to storm the cockpit."

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Re: Really OT: United 93
« Reply #41 on: April 17, 2006, 10:48:31 pm »
Well, I'm with you there Della.  I have gone out of my way to avoid the trailer.  But, if they're going to portray the people involved I want to know that there is no sugar coating anyone's homosexuality.
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« Reply #42 on: April 17, 2006, 10:53:14 pm »
I'm seeing Flight 93 at a press event on Wednesday and will report back to everyone.  I've heard it's a mind-blower.  

I'm on the same page with my bud on World Trade Center, the world's worst title for a film, and although September was once the title of Woody Allen's Bergman-esque drama, it's got a nice sound to it in this context.    

The X-Men 3 trailer is unbelievable, and I'm being converted into a fan of the franchise after loathing the first film and then liking the second one.  The new trailer is the right mix of theme (gay), emotions (Jean and Wolverine) and large-scale special effects (bridge collapse; wings) that, for a change, seem like they might actually give merit back to the term spectacular as an overused claim for the past few summer movie seasons.  Forget MI3, Tom's in it and you know who, the Oscar thief, headlines.   :)

However, if anyone would like to explain the merits of Gore Verbinski to me (beyond The Ring's designer creepiness), I'm all ears...  Just kiddin', Weatherman was fine as was Pirates.  The Mexican?  LOL.     ;D

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Re: Really OT: United 93
« Reply #43 on: April 17, 2006, 11:06:05 pm »
However, if anyone would like to explain the merits of Gore Verbinski to me (beyond The Ring's designer creepiness), I'm all ears...  Just kiddin', Weatherman was fine as was Pirates.  The Mexican?  LOL.     ;D

An exec producer friend signed Verbinski in the US .  She helped to develop him as a commercial and video director.  He's good with multiple images and special effects.

Looking forward to your review rtprod.
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