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Re: Was: Laramie Tales: New Working Title: Tales of Greenlea County
« Reply #460 on: December 11, 2006, 01:15:32 am »
Jo, your points are well-taken and logical.  But it’s not that I’m not willing to trust Nick has the intention to change for Dupree, it’s from Louise’s writing that I am skeptical about it, allow me to quote the following paragraph from chapter 28:

Nick felt a shiver go up his neck as the cold gray eyes of the older man sitting across from him settled on him critically, reminding him of the feeling he had during inspection when an admiral came through. Same sharp, intelligent gaze, undistracted and unwavering. Yeah... I’d want em too if he ever gave me a look.


Maybe my view of that particular sentence is oversimplified, but I thought he was just thinking to himself that he sees what Jeremy finds attractive in Ellery .. not necessarily because he wants Ellery for himself. 

After that interview with Ellery, he does reflect abit upon Ellery's words to Ennis on the phone: "I love you sweetheart" and he thinks of Jeremy, wondering if he would hear Jeremy say those words to him as well.  I suppose that says something ..  :)


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Re: Was: Laramie Tales: New Working Title: Tales of Greenlea County
« Reply #461 on: December 11, 2006, 01:21:54 am »
Jo, your points are well-taken and logical.  But it’s not that I’m not willing to trust Nick has the intention to change for Dupree, it’s from Louise’s writing that I am skeptical about it, allow me to quote the following paragraph from chapter 28:

Nick felt a shiver go up his neck as the cold gray eyes of the older man sitting across from him settled on him critically, reminding him of the feeling he had during inspection when an admiral came through. Same sharp, intelligent gaze, undistracted and unwavering. Yeah... I’d want em too if he ever gave me a look.

Do you think it is any proof that he is going to change?  As I’ve said, I hope I’m wrong for Dupree’s sake.  (Actually, scratch that, I hope I’m right because I’ve been rooting for another character for Dupree.)


Thanks for your frank commentary yb! That thought of Nick's can be taken in several ways.

1. He might be just trying to understand and accept how Dupree could have felt attracted to Ellery. This is called empathy - putting yourself in another's shoes. A less promising approach would have been jealous hostility and a readiness to think the worst of Ellery.  

2. He might be registering sexual attraction without an intention to follow through. Wanting is not always going after.

3. He might be acknowleging that he would be seriously tempted if Ellery gave him the come hither.

4. He might be thinking that if Ellery gave him half a chance he would be in his pants.

Take your pick!

Remember upon the conduct of each depends the fate of all. - Alexander the Great

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Re: Was: Laramie Tales: New Working Title: Tales of Greenlea County
« Reply #462 on: December 11, 2006, 01:22:48 am »
Heartwrecker, Heartwrecker, Make me delight.
Right is so vague when it brings someone new.
This time tomorrow I'll know what to do.
I know it's happened to you ... " STAY "

DAVID BOWIE



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Re: Was: Laramie Tales: New Working Title: Tales of Greenlea County
« Reply #463 on: December 11, 2006, 01:35:40 am »
Thanks, Lucise and Jo, for responding to my post, obviously my pick is number 4,  :).  But it’s all good discussion and I enjoy every bit of it. 

It does seem Dupree has made his choice momentarily, and I have resigned to accept this scenario.  I really have no idea what Louise has in store for us ahead, but I’m sure it’ll be a hell of a roller-coaster ride until the story wraps up.

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Re: Was: Laramie Tales: New Working Title: Tales of Greenlea County
« Reply #464 on: December 11, 2006, 02:06:58 am »
Plus points for Nick



Nick's inner angel


•   He appears to come from a supportive and loving family in terms of his childhood upbringing so his bad experiences in the navy may have resulted in only short-term damage that can be overcome

•   He has not been drummed out of the navy for bad conduct so he hasn't gotten into serious trouble there as far as we know

•   He was patient with Dupree and did not try to push him into having sex before he was ready and responded immediately when Jeremy felt pain

•   He is responsible about the use of condoms so his self destructive tendencies are not extreme and he has sufficient sense of duty to protect others from possible infection

•   He had a guilty conscience about lying to Dupree and came clean (beginnings of trust?)

•   He did not blame Dupree for him getting drunk and going off the deep end or try to manipulate his way out of trouble

•   He did not start the fight with Lance

•   He is willing to work and try to make amends

•   He shows signs of seeing a role model in Ennis and Ellery's relationship

•   He is strongly attracted to Dupree rather than someone who will brutalise him further so his self esteem is not that low. At some level must believe he can be worthy of a man like Jeremy.

Well I guess all that gives the guy a more than even chance to come through this rough patch in his young life.




Thank you for this thorough and optimistic Nick’s psychoanalyze Jo :)
 
I saw QAF, Ted and his fallen angel were my favorite couple as their relationship impressed me more than Brian/Justin’s.
They both tried to see the good in each other ( but ridiculously not in themselves) and self-denying they wanted save  one from bad another, even they went through the role reversal  ….- which leads me to a question

We have “good Jeremy” and “bad” Nick, but how much “good” ?
Do we expect him to start and stop getting his experiences by Nick when his step into the gay world was mildly said – a bit wild? Do we expect him not to be tempted as Nick as he picked up for his very first time absolute stranger just because he was hot looking and tempting and brought him home after couple of hours for pure sex  experience without any  deeper feeling, without any further relationship in his mind ( still he is not sure about having relationship at all).
Wasn’t all that a bit Nickish too? Or, I’m the one old fashioned here? Jevees would be more appropriate for image of “good Jeremy”.
I know we are so protective of Jeremy, but Jo  is right Nobody is all bad or all good. Nick could go either way.
So could Jeremy
Both they got their pluses and minuses, lets see how they are getting along with them

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Re: Was: Laramie Tales: New Working Title: Tales of Greenlea County
« Reply #465 on: December 11, 2006, 03:09:31 am »

Nick felt a shiver go up his neck as the cold gray eyes of the older man sitting across from him settled on him critically, reminding him of the feeling he had during inspection when an admiral came through. Same sharp, intelligent gaze, undistracted and unwavering. Yeah... I’d want em too if he ever gave me a look.

Do you think it is any proof that he is going to change?  As I’ve said, I hope I’m wrong for Dupree’s sake.  (Actually, scratch that, I hope I’m right because I’ve been rooting for another character for Dupree.)


YB, I think I'm with you in your thoughts here. I too think that it looks as if the story is reaching a conclusion where Nick and Dupree will be together, though I also was hoping for a different character for Dupree in the end. To contrast the (possibly) negative implications of the quote you've given, there is also the much more optimistic implication of Nick's reflecting on Ellery's words to Ennis on the phone: "I love you sweetheart" and hoping that eventually he might hear that from Dupree.

On a different level of reading, there is still another reason for assuming we'll be getting a Nick/Dupree happy ending: Simply, there are now no longer any viable alternatives left there in Laramie. After reading about Jeeves' romp in the rumpus room with Lance, we must surely be glad that Dupree isn't going to have to experience that if he'd chosen Jeeves. I think we can finally rule out him, and then we have to recognise there isn't anyone else who could seriously be considered among the unattached gay men we've seen so far. All the good ones are taken! 

 (Now, let's see Louise come along and counfound all our expectations). :-\
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I gave him what I hoped was that hopeful innocent puppy look that said “don’t you just want ta rub my tummy” rather than that hungry, ravenous wolf look that said “why don’t you just come out a that brick house so I can eat you up little pig?” LVH: 'What I did on my Day Off'

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Re: Was: Laramie Tales: New Working Title: Tales of Greenlea County
« Reply #466 on: December 11, 2006, 03:27:02 am »
After reading about Jeeves' romp in the rumpus room with Lance, we must surely be glad that Dupree isn't going to have to experience that if he'd chosen Jeeves. I think we can finally rule out him, and then we have to recognise there isn't anyone else who could seriously be considered among the unattached gay men we've seen so far. All the good ones are taken! 

 (Now, let's see Louise come along and counfound all our expectations). :-\

Mmm, judging from the interactions between Dupree and Jeeves before Nick entered the scene, I’m pretty sure Jeeves would not forcibly use that toy on Dupree without his consent; if he was such a person, he would have got it on with Dupree already the night Dupree was drunk.  But it’s all a moot point now.  This really has to be my last comment on this, I’ll be along the ride that Louise has for us.

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Re: Was: Laramie Tales: New Working Title: Tales of Greenlea County
« Reply #467 on: December 11, 2006, 04:12:36 am »
*you better not be sneezing in Brussels baby!*

hee hee.

My hands are aching from writing so much this weekend, but it was a wonderful and delightful experience bringing you the Boys from the Red Stallion, Bigger, Longer, and Uncut *


*no pun intended.

night everyone!!!

*sneezes all over her keyboard*

LOL! Louise ~ I hope not!

And thank You! for all the goodness  :-*

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Re: Was: Laramie Tales: New Working Title: Tales of Greenlea County
« Reply #468 on: December 11, 2006, 04:32:28 am »

We have “good Jeremy” and “bad” Nick, but how much “good” ?
Do we expect him to start and stop getting his experiences by Nick when his step into the gay world was mildly said – a bit wild? Do we expect him not to be tempted as Nick as he picked up for his very first time absolute stranger just because he was hot looking and tempting and brought him home after couple of hours for pure sex  experience without any  deeper feeling, without any further relationship in his mind ( still he is not sure about having relationship at all).
Wasn’t all that a bit Nickish too? Or, I’m the one old fashioned here?


Synne I think you have put your finger on something. Surely Dupree must have his darker side too which we haven't seen much of. And yes - he did allow himself to be picked up for sex by Nick after having just met him.

Within the context of gay culture as presented in the Red Stallion, pairing off for instant sexual gratification seems to be a norm in the bar scene. I think we have to take this into consideration too when judging Nick's actions.

PS I was thinking at the time how much easier things appear to be for many gay guys in this respect. Some girls might do this (pick up or be picked up in 5 minutes) but I think most women are heavily socialised against acting this way for a range of reasons.




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Re: Was: Laramie Tales: New Working Title: Tales of Greenlea County
« Reply #469 on: December 11, 2006, 04:45:49 am »
YB, I think I'm with you in your thoughts here. I too think that it looks as if the story is reaching a conclusion where Nick and Dupree will be together, though I also was hoping for a different character for Dupree in the end. To contrast the (possibly) negative implications of the quote you've given, there is also the much more optimistic implication of Nick's reflecting on Ellery's words to Ennis on the phone: "I love you sweetheart" and hoping that eventually he might hear that from Dupree.

On a different level of reading, there is still another reason for assuming we'll be getting a Nick/Dupree happy ending: Simply, there are now no longer any viable alternatives left there in Laramie. After reading about Jeeves' romp in the rumpus room with Lance, we must surely be glad that Dupree isn't going to have to experience that if he'd chosen Jeeves. I think we can finally rule out him, and then we have to recognise there isn't anyone else who could seriously be considered among the unattached gay men we've seen so far. All the good ones are taken! 

 (Now, let's see Louise come along and counfound all our expectations). :-\


I agree. My thoughts when I read that Jeeves/Lance scene we're "lets see him try THAT with Dupree....".

I too am learning to accept Jeremy/Nick, mainly because I think Jeremy is developing real feelings for Nick. And I want Jeremy to be happy.

I just don't trust Nick too much. A reminder of Nick's thoughts on chapter 27:

They didn’t actually... kick me out the door,” Nick said, clearing his throat.

“Oh?” Eyebrows shot up over those gray, piercing eyes.
He is the type ta call my momma an rat me out. Jeremy this wasn’t such a hot idea...



I don't know.... if he comes clean to Ellery (after "embellishing" the facts to Jeremy), only because he's afraid Ellery will "rat him out", I'm not sure he has the backbone and honesty I think Jeremy's chosen mate should have.
Also, the matter of "outing" Jeremy in front of his colleagues leaves me feeling uneasy.  :-\

Plus, given his track records, his job at the Red-Stallion could lead him into seriuos temptation.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.. :)