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Re: ZODIAC at 100% on Rottentomatoes.com with five reviews...
« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2007, 12:05:04 am »
Hey Del,

The blue drink with the umbrella is an Aqua Velva, reminiscent of the nasty aftershave of the same name.

I totally laughed when Jake's character received this drink.  After trying it, Robert Downey, Jr's character wanted one.  Then the table was littered with tulip glasses and paper parasols.

I found the recipe:  vodka and blue curacao.  Some include an infusion of mint.  Probably goes down easy.

I agree with you about Jake's character Robert:  why the obsession?  Why was he divorced the first time?  Another obsession ruin his marriage?  We are left to figure it out. 

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Re: ZODIAC at 100% on Rottentomatoes.com with five reviews...
« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2007, 01:00:08 am »
Hey Del,

The blue drink with the umbrella is an Aqua Velva, reminiscent of the nasty aftershave of the same name.

I totally laughed when Jake's character received this drink.  After trying it, Robert Downey, Jr's character wanted one.  Then the table was littered with tulip glasses and paper parasols.

I found the recipe:  vodka and blue curacao.  Some include an infusion of mint.  Probably goes down easy.

LOL!  :laugh:  Our audience cracked up too.  Thanks for the name, I couldn't remember it.  I remember all those all aqua velva commercials, though.  It sounds like a yummy drink, though I have an aversion to drinking anything blue.  ;D

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I agree with you about Jake's character Robert:  why the obsession?  Why was he divorced the first time?  Another obsession ruin his marriage?  We are left to figure it out. 

Paul

Very much so.  I enjoyed that all of life's secrets aren't so easily solved.

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Re: ZODIAC at 100% on Rottentomatoes.com with five reviews...
« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2007, 04:45:16 am »
I wasn't the least bit tempted to leave my seat, nor did I see anyne else doing so. I think it's all been said; here's a little button they were passing out to viewers: 
"We're each of us alone, to be sure. What can you do but hold your hand out in the dark?" --"Nine Lives," by Ursula K. Le Guin, from The Wind's Twelve Quarters

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Re: ZODIAC at 100% on Rottentomatoes.com with five reviews...
« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2007, 10:02:13 am »
I had no trouble understanding why Robert became so obsessed.  I know a little bit about obsession myself, after all.  And in my case, there isn't even a puzzle to solve or a murderous rampage to stop.

I find myself wanting to know more about him, though.  Not so much so I can understand why he did all he did - I do understand that - but I just find him enigmatic and interesting in general.

And no, Del.  It isn't just you.  I thought I read or saw somewhere that he actually had three marriages that failed.  That's quite a few for a guy who doesn't drink (much) or smoke or cuss.
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Re: ZODIAC at 100% on Rottentomatoes.com with five reviews...
« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2007, 10:41:31 am »
Cross Post from the other Zodiac thread.  My Review.

At two hours and forty minutes without commercial breaks, "Zodiac" would have faired better as a CBS miniseries, with commercial breaks, than a feature film.  Director David Fincher seemes to have consciously toned down the imaginative muse that served him well in his other films.  The result was, despite moments of true thrill and fear, a laconic, drawn out and at times downright boring film.

I could immediately understand why the film treatment of Robert Graysmith's true-crime bestseller would be very difficult to translate into a film that could sustain the level of fear and entertainment that it needed in order to succeed.  The time period stretched over some twenty years, with periods when nothing happens.  Zodiacs own sporadic communications with the authorities could well have caused the collapse of this screenplay, which after the first hour leave the movie goer feeling like it was time to go to bed and watch the rest the next night.

While there were some excellent performances, and some brave attempts at excellent performances, the actors portraying the two main characters were the weak links in the film.  Both Mark Ruffalo as Inspector David Toschi, and Jake Gyllenhaal as San Francisco Chronicle political cartoonist, turned true-crime author Robert Graysmith, seemed miserably miscast. Neither actor were of sufficient age to carry off their respective roles, and in the case of Gyllenhaal, he appeared to de-age as his charectars obsession with Zodiac began destroying everything in his life.  There was very little in the way of flesh to his portrayal of Graysmith, which made it difficult to care about why he became so enthralled with the serial killer.  Ruffalo faired better as Toschi, in part, because much of his performance was paired with the ever entertaining Anthony Edwards as his investigating partner, who eventually requests a transfer off the case and out of the homicide department.  Stand out performances from Robert Downey Jr as the self-destrucitve Chronicle crime reporter Paul Avery, and John Carroll Lynch as the only real suspect in the killings kept me watching whenever they were on screen.

The screenplays largest fault was the far to quick fading of Toschi's obsession, and Graysmiths taking up of the investigation.  It was around the time that Toschi began to not care, that I also began to feel the same way.

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Re: ZODIAC at 100% on Rottentomatoes.com with five reviews...
« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2007, 12:04:12 pm »
Wow.  Tell us what you really think, Scott.  :)

You make some good points, there, though.  I really found myself the most involved with Paul Avery, and the more I think about it, the more I have to admit it's mostly because of Robert Downey, Jr.'s portrayal of him.  In another actor's hands, I wouldn't have cared about him half as much.

Here's a review from the "Movie Mom" at Yahoo.  I like her because she generally nails the themes of the movies she reviews without giving too much away and, let's face it, because she usually agrees with me.  She liked it a lot more than Scott.  But again, what she seemed to like the most was Robert Downey, Jr.:


We still don't know for sure who was -- or is -- the California serial killer known as the Zodiac, the name he used in a series of letters he sent to San Francisco newspapers in the late 1960's and early 1970's. This movie is not about some big payoff. There are no "eureka" WHO moments and we don't get to see someone solve the puzzle and get a handshake from the mayor and the thanks of a victim's family. We don't get an "aha" WHY moment as we find out that it all began when Zodiac was a little boy and suffered some major trauma.

A puzzle is what it is. Zodiac sent not just taunting letters to the press; he sent four cryptograms, only one of which has ever been solved. While San Francisco's investigation is inactive, the other jurisdictions' files are still open.


This is not the story of the Zodiac, what he did and why. It is the story of what happened to three men whose lives were taken up with their efforts to answer those questions. A superb cast and an absorbing script make a frustratingly complex story accessible and keep even the nearly three-hour running time moving quickly.


Paul Avery (Robert Downey, Jr.) is the chain-smoking hard-drinking newspaper reporter who covered the story. Downey vibrates like a tuning fork, his offbeat rhythms responding to tones only he can hear. It is is heartbreaking to see the sensitivity that makes him a meticulous observer of the world he writes about begin to implode. The movie doesn't ask or answer whether the stress of being a possible target of Zodiac is what finally causes him to unravel or whether working on the story kept his fragile spirit together with a sense of purpose. It just shows us the toll that the story took on the man who happened to have the crime beat when the first letter came in.


David Toschi (Mark Ruffalo) and William Armstrong were the cops assigned to the case in San Francisco. They coordinated with Jack Mulanax (Elias Koteas) and Ken Narlow (Donal Logue), the police officers in the other regions where there were killings tied to the Zodiac. With literally thousands of suspects and no certainty about which crimes were committed by the Zodiac and which by copy-cats or unrelated killers, they are looking for one deadly needle in a haystack that could fill what was then called Candlestick Park.


And then there is Robert Graysmith (Jake Gyllenhaal). He's the newspaper's political cartoonist. It isn't his job to write about the case and it isn't his job to investigate it. And yet, there is something that draws him into it so deeply he will ruin his marriage to devote himself to a story that is twisted and terrible, with an evil genius of a bad guy who is, well, right out of the movies.


Director David Fincher (Fight Club, Panic Room) wisely makes this story not about the monster, but about our fascination with monsters. Like Avery, Toschi, and Graysmith, we are pulled into the puzzle, horrified, but tantalized, stimulated, drawn to the edge of what separates us from a human being who could commit such atrocities and then taunt the people who try to stop him. In his letters, Zodiac may have referred to the classic film The Most Dangerous Game, about a hunter who uses humans as his game -- in both senses of the word. He sees them as the only quarry worthy of him because they can truly test his skill. In a deeper sense, it is Avery, Toschi, and Graysmith who devote their lives to their own most dangerous game, tracking the Zodiac, who continues to elude them, searching for clues and patterns and meaning in a world where kids on lovers lane are killed by a man who dares the world to find him.


Parents should know that this is the story of a serial killer and there are graphic portrayals of some of the murders. Characters drink and smoke and one has some marijuana. A chain-smoking character also abuses alcohol. Characters use strong language and there are brief glimpses of pornography and references to child molestation. Some audience members will be disturbed by the themes of the story, which include serial killing and the impact on the lives and families of those who are involved in investigating the murders.


Families who see this movie should talk about why the story was so important to Graysmith and what he sacrificed in order to be able to pursue it.


Viewers who appreciate this movie will also like the classic Call Northside 777 starring Jimmy Stewart, also based on a real-life case of a reporter's investigation of a murder. And they will enjoy other movies about murders who communicate with journalists or policemen, including Dirty Harry (inspired by the Zodiac case and briefly glimpsed in this film), The Mean Season, and No Way to Treat a Lady. Viewers who would like to find out more about the Zodiac case (and perhaps try to solve some of the still-unsolved coded messages) should read Zodiac and "This Is the Zodiac Speaking": Into the Mind of a Serial Killer. And they might like to take a look at the classic movie that allegedly influenced or inspired the Zodiac killer, The Most Dangerous Game.


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Re: ZODIAC at 100% on Rottentomatoes.com with five reviews...
« Reply #26 on: March 04, 2007, 07:19:32 pm »

I really found myself the most involved with Paul Avery, and the more I think about it, the more I have to admit it's mostly because of Robert Downey, Jr.'s portrayal of him.  In another actor's hands, I wouldn't have cared about him half as much.

I was very impressed with all the acting, personally.  After a while, like BBM, I felt like I was actually watching real people and not actors.  Robert Downey was awesome, but the role wasn't much of a stretch for him, was it?  He's essentially playing himself.  His pathos is appealing, because he is.  He garnered a lot of sympathy from people with his struggles with his real life issues.

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« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2007, 07:35:17 pm »

Viewers who appreciate this movie will also like the classic Call Northside 777 starring Jimmy Stewart, also based on a real-life case of a reporter's investigation of a murder. And they will enjoy other movies about murders who communicate with journalists or policemen, including Dirty Harry (inspired by the Zodiac case and briefly glimpsed in this film), The Mean Season, and No Way to Treat a Lady. Viewers who would like to find out more about the Zodiac case (and perhaps try to solve some of the still-unsolved coded messages) should read Zodiac and "This Is the Zodiac Speaking": Into the Mind of a Serial Killer. And they might like to take a look at the classic movie that allegedly influenced or inspired the Zodiac killer, The Most Dangerous Game.



I also read in the review at Pajiba (one of my favorite review sites: http://www.pajiba.com/zodiac.htm) that at the time the investigation was getting going, David Toschi (Mark Ruffalo) was a local celebrity as he had inspired Steve McQueen's Bullitt. So that might be another movie to add to the DVD list. We rented Dirty Harry to watch tonight.

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Re: ZODIAC at 100% on Rottentomatoes.com with five reviews...
« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2007, 08:15:23 pm »
I just got home from seeing "Zodiac." I have to say, I think Jake's eyelashes should have gotten separate billing.

Technically, the movie was good, including the acting; all 2 hours 45 min held my interest. However by the time the movie ended and that one guy was talking to the other guy I had to think, Now who are these guys? So when he identified the man it wasn't very dramatic. Because they never identified or caught the Zodiac killer, there is no "done-done-done" music to announce "this is the killer."

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Re: ZODIAC at 100% on Rottentomatoes.com with five reviews...
« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2007, 08:37:42 pm »
I also read in the review at Pajiba (one of my favorite review sites: http://www.pajiba.com/zodiac.htm) that at the time the investigation was getting going, David Toschi (Mark Ruffalo) was a local celebrity as he had inspired Steve McQueen's Bullitt. So that might be another movie to add to the DVD list. We rented Dirty Harry to watch tonight.

I agree with this review.  I like pajiba a lot, too, Leslie.  Again usually because they get the themes without giving too much away and because they usually agree with me.  He was also dead on, by the way (and no pun intended), about how that lake scene would make a fine short subject.
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