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Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« on: March 10, 2007, 08:21:18 am »
I thought this might be fun (I am not taking myself seriously here!) : accept the hypothesis that reincarnation is a fact; according to what you know about yourself - your desires, gifts, "memories" that don't belong to this life - who do you think you were in past lives?

I believe I must have been a man several times (certainly in the Middle Ages), and a least one of those times a gay man.
I believe I have lived in Spain, and in Britain (and maybe Russia).
I must have taken part in revolutionary wars (the Spanish civil war at least, on the Republican/anarchist side).
I feel (very strongly, on this one :-\) that I was sent to a concentration camp during WW2, but didn't die there.

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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2007, 02:40:07 pm »
I think in a past life, I lived in ancient Egypt.  The exact details are well, fuzzy.  ;)

If I were to be born again into the 'next life', I'd want to be a Siberian tiger.
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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2007, 02:45:16 pm »
why just for fun?  I belong to a mystical tradition that works on the development of techniques for awakening one's sense of and certainty regarding our own soul information.

I have had many memories of former lives, and they are all quite detailed.
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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2007, 03:05:50 pm »
In my previous lives, I have been.....

An egyptian priestess who sacrificed her romantic interest in order to follow her temple.

A nobleman that might have been executed during the French revolution, who happened to be gay, and was turned in by his lover.  This one's difficult to remember exactly because I'm not certain if he was rescued or not. The few emotional memories I have definitely indicate a feeling of being taken away from one's love.

A prehistoric shaman somewhere in Eurasia.  The only thing I can remember from that lifetime was that I killed someone for a bronze figurine of the goddess. That someone happens to have reincarnated as my brother in this lifetime.

A German spy (or some other discrete figure) during WWII.
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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2007, 03:09:08 pm »
I'm not very sure if this is true. Reincarnation that is. But I was told I was a man in my previous life. The one right before this one. The person who told me this couldn't give me details about it, just that I was a man.
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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2007, 03:24:21 pm »
A German spy (or some other discrete figure) during WWII.

Aha... and now we meet again! Maybe YOU 're the one who turned me in??  ;)
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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2007, 03:28:48 pm »
why just for fun? 
I have had many memories of former lives, and they are all quite detailed.

OK Louise, maybe I was a teeny bit shy about admitting I do believe this is not my first life on this earth, and also I wanted everyone to join in even if all they do is put in their 'best guesses', whether they believe in reincarnation or not.

And Louise, I'd be VERY interested to know more about the techniques you mention (really).
Also, can you tell us more about what you remember of your previous lives please?
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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2007, 03:42:00 pm »
The jury is still out on reincarnation as far as I'm concerned.  It might be, but I don't know.  I've never had dreams of other lives and just one vision, but just one and that might have just been my imagination.

I do know friends who have had visions and believe they had previous lives.

Personally, I've had a strong attraction to the ancient Graeco-Roman world ever since I was a little girl.  Don't know why, but it's an obsession that has continued to this day.  An old boss of mine who was also a witch, believed that I probably had previous lives during the times I'm most attracted to.

I also have a strong strong affinity for colonial Britain and feudal Japan and that's it.  I find other cultures interesting, but not as compelling like these three.

Gender-wise, I think I probably was a man at one point or another.

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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2007, 03:46:13 pm »
Aha... and now we meet again! Maybe YOU 're the one who turned me in??  ;)

I don't know, but if I did I got my just rewards. The details of this life are sketchy, but I know how he died.... Intentionally suffocated in an air-tight chamber.  Age 24.
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« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2007, 03:54:25 pm »
I don't know, but if I did I got my just rewards. The details of this life are sketchy, but I know how he died.... Intentionally suffocated in an air-tight chamber.  Age 24.

OK Daniel, how did you come to know/remember all this? It's fascinating!
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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2007, 04:34:44 pm »
Well for two of them, I had past life regressions. The other two I remembered in a really bizarre dream after I tossed and turned for four hours trying to get to sleep.

The one where I was a shaman, I was having some lower back problems, and I mean really sharp pains that were preventing me from meditating, so I thought a PLR would help. Turns out that I have some anger issues. I completely avoid the emotion, so when I experience so much of it that I can't ignore it, I usually don't act on it, so it becomes an internal cesspit. Or at least karmic anger issues. After that PLR I didn't have those pains again.

In the one where I was in Germany. I think this makes a lot of sense to me. I have always been attracted to the Third Reich from a cultural perspective. It's fascinating. My father is also attracted to the same time period so I think we may have been enemies during that war. Still a lot of hostilities underlying our relationship. Anyway, that was from a PLR also. I was having a lot of difficulty finding any purpose for living, and it was really making me very anxious. It still does to some point. People keep telling me I'm too intelligent to be doing what I'm doing, but I don't have much idea of where I should be. You'd think that College would have sorted this out for me... I think it only made it worse. But anyway, thats why I had that PLR. Funny thing was, that while it helped a little bit, it left more questions than answers.
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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2007, 04:39:50 pm »
But what is past life regression? I mean, how do you achieve it? Do you have to see a specialist? (I am an ignoramus in this field).
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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2007, 04:43:27 pm »
PLRs are normally done by some hypnotists trained to do it. I have a few books on the subject, and one of them includes a self-hypnosis script that you can record to hypnotise yourself and lead... Strangely, I can remember every detail of those PLRs. Basically you get very, very tired, and then you feel so heavy you don't want to do anything. Then the hypnotist starts asking you questions. And the conscious part of your brain is like "I'm too tired. leave me alone!" but you answer anyway. ((God, thats a creepy feeling.))  And then the memories rush in.
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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2007, 10:41:31 pm »
PLRs are normally done by some hypnotists trained to do it. I have a few books on the subject, and one of them includes a self-hypnosis script that you can record to hypnotise yourself and lead... Strangely, I can remember every detail of those PLRs. Basically you get very, very tired, and then you feel so heavy you don't want to do anything. Then the hypnotist starts asking you questions. And the conscious part of your brain is like "I'm too tired. leave me alone!" but you answer anyway. ((God, thats a creepy feeling.))  And then the memories rush in.


So you have to be able to be hypnotized to participate in a PLR or is that something altogether different?

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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2007, 10:56:56 pm »
This is an interesting thread. I have had a few PLR, readings from psychics and dreams about my past lives.

I was part of the Roman army but a city guard like a policeman. I was male, and evidently idealistic because the part I remembered I was disgusted with how corrupt Rome was becoming. I didn’t live real long because I was killed in a battle.

A Native American living in the west. I was female and discovered some information that the men were keeping to themselves. Unfortunately they were not happy about this, and I was killed. A psychic told me this story. She said I was an artist who made beautiful ceramic pots and when I was killed, they broke all of my pots. When she told me this I burst into tears. I’m an artist but do not work in ceramics.

I was in Ancient Egypt, as a priestess I think, but am not sure. Can’t remember much about it right now.

I was also in WWII, captured and sent to a concentration camp I think. When I was a child I used to hear the heavy boots of armies marching and it really scared me. It took me a long time before I was brave enough to watch my first program on the Holocaust and after the show I cried and cried and cried.

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« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2007, 01:16:58 am »
So you have to be able to be hypnotized to participate in a PLR or is that something altogether different?

Some psychics do PLR where they pick up immediately on your past lives. The ones where you're led into a trance-like state and discover everything yourself require the hypnotists.
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« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2007, 04:04:39 am »
When I was a child I used to hear the heavy boots of armies marching and it really scared me. It took me a long time before I was brave enough to watch my first program on the Holocaust and after the show I cried and cried and cried.




Hey Leslie, this is exactly me! As a child (up to my teens) I had nightmares about living hidden during WW2, and every time in my nightmares I was physically chased by some nazi soldiers, inside homes/tunnels, and the feeling of terror was very vivid, I can tell you. And, I might add, all this started before I ever heard of the deportations and persecutions during WWII.
When I was 13 or 14, they showed us a documentary called "Nacht und Nebel" (night and fog) at school, about the camps, and I was in a state of shock (a real one, incapable of uttering a word or doing anything) for the rest of the week.
Watching/reading/hearing anything about the holocaust always upset me incredibly, and now I have given up as I cannot bear it at all.

Any references of books about PLR (to do yourself) welcome, since I wouldn't know which to pick. Thanks!

PS: someone on these boards, who thinks reincarnation is a fact, once told me she thinks all of us here met in at least one previous life, and it is no coincidence that we are now reunited through this board, thanks to BBM. Maybe if we can compare our feelings of belonging to past lives, we can work out when we all met?   :)
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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2007, 12:33:03 pm »
So far it appears more people here who were victims of Nazi oppression rather than being Nazis themselves.

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PS: someone on these boards, who thinks reincarnation is a fact, once told me she thinks all of us here met in at least one previous life, and it is no coincidence that we are now reunited through this board, thanks to BBM. Maybe if we can compare our feelings of belonging to past lives, we can work out when we all met?

IMO, this is the worst thing about reincarnation.  Traditonal thinking goes that you never really meet anyone new.  You just meet the same people over and over again in different guises.  I can't think of anything more frustrating or more depressing.  You have people in this life that make you crazy, that hurt you, who don't/can't love you and you are so glad to dump them, leave them behind...and you meet them again in another life??!?!?   

 

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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2007, 01:06:31 pm »
Hey Leslie, this is exactly me! As a child (up to my teens) I had nightmares about living hidden during WW2, and every time in my nightmares I was physically chased by some nazi soldiers, inside homes/tunnels, and the feeling of terror was very vivid, I can tell you. And, I might add, all this started before I ever heard of the deportations and persecutions during WWII.
Watching/reading/hearing anything about the holocaust always upset me incredibly, and now I have given up as I cannot bear it at all.
Any references of books about PLR (to do yourself) welcome, since I wouldn't know which to pick. Thanks!

Isabelle, your post really hit me in the gut. I have never shared that info with anyone. I suppose it happened to many people but we don't talk about it. It took me a long time to start reading and viewing information about the Holocaust culminating with a trip to the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC. I won't digress OT about what that experience was like here on this thread.

I could have easily been an oppressor in a past life but it just too hard for me to think about it.

There are many books out there and you can read for information, but for PLR, it's better to start by seeing a psychic who focuses on past lives and have him or her give you the information. When you are comfortable, you may want to attend a class or workshop on PLR. I haven't read books about the subject in ages, but I found the "Seth" books by Jane Roberts very enlightening. The Seth books go way beyond a simplistic view of reincarnation. If I think of anything else, I'll send you a PM.

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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2007, 06:58:35 am »


And Louise, I'd be VERY interested to know more about the techniques you mention (really).
Also, can you tell us more about what you remember of your previous lives please?

hee hee, well that is an honest answer!  I love it!

I don't like to go into details about what I recall, until I know someone quite well, because - well, frankly, I probably am talking to them because I know them, and one of the principles of awakening spirituality is not to provoke another's memories before they recall them themselves. I usually put what I remember into my poems and stories and if someone can relate to it, they are attracted to it and tell me.

Obviously - homosexuality plays an important role in my past.  I have a rather complete understanding of my previous lives going back several cycles, and according to the Hermetic tradition, these cycles are approximately 144 years.  Therefore working back from 1959, my present incarnation, my previous incarnation would have been in the early years of the 19th century, if it were exact (it is not often exact) it would be 1815, but was actually 1810.  And the one prior to that would have been 144 years prior to that, which, correcting for error, would have been 1666, etc, etc.  Most incarnations alternate between male and female lives, which is where I am unusual in that I have very few memories of female incarnations at all.  What I will say is that I have always been involved in the law and in the study and recording of history, and at one time was politically active, but have never ranged far from scholarly endeavours.

As far as the techniques go, I have learned that past life regressions can be traumatic.  Also, that readings by psychics can also be too traumatic, and awaken something before the mind can handle it.  It is not that the memories may not be accurate or meaningful - however, like being told by a doctor that you have six months to live, when he can't possibly know that - another person's interpretation of your own past life experience, unless they are a very well trusted intimate - are relatively useless in your own self understanding, unless you yourself can validate that memory and that awareness.  None of the memories I have acquired have been given to me by other people, nor induced by past life regressions - they were all given to me during a gradual process of awakening as my soul has been ready to receive them.

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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2007, 08:45:47 am »
In a past life I was a member of the crew of the Titanic.

No doubt I was thrilled to get a job as a steward or other low ranking person who didn't have to shovel coal.  LOL.     Loyal to the company I stayed at my post thinking technology would keep the ship afloat.    No doubt I was surprized and saddened that by the time the end was obvious, I wished I had learned to swim better. 

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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2007, 04:46:34 pm »
Books I recommend:

Many Lives, Many Masters by Brian L. Weiss, M.D.

- Dr. Brian Weiss reintroduced the concept of past lives into the field of psychiatry, namely because people have detailed memories of past events that they would have no other way of knowing, such as details of where something was on the Titanic or other sunken vessels.

Actually anything else by Dr. Weiss would be a welcome addition to a PLR library.
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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2007, 10:20:27 pm »
I don't have anybody specific to recommend, but you might try purchasing a tape or audio CD on PLR.

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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2007, 01:47:52 am »
I’ve had PLR from a very powerful, gifted psychic.

I specifically visited her following the break-up of my relationship with my partner of many years. Without boring everyone to tears (again!), suffice to say I was emotionally shattered by our break-up and wanted to know if there was a karmic reason behind it.

The psychic had me lie on an examining table, similar to the type used by doctors, complete with linen covering. She induced a deep trance-like state in me, using hypnosis-type techniques.

My main question to her was, “Why have I been hurt so badly by the man I love so much?”

She took me through several of my previous incarnations, but these two stood out:

* I was a woman living in medieval Paris, heavy with child and riddled with the “pox” (her word). My partner in my present incarnation was the same man I was married to in Paris. I broke his heart by deserting him, with the baby.  She explained that this created karma whereby I had left myself open to be deserted by him.

* I was the tribal chieftain of a band of thieves and cutthroats somewhere in central/eastern Europe, sometime shortly after the collapse of the Roman Empire. She “saw” me capturing a group of prisoners. I lined them up and gained a great deal of pleasure from working my way along the line, laughing in front of my men, as I killed each prisoner in turn. The psychic told me that the last person in line, who I killed in this brutal manner, was my partner in this incarnation. The karmic ramifications of which are enormous.
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« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2007, 07:34:31 am »
WOW!! How do you guys all know that about your past lives?! I'm not even sure I believe in it.. Well, maybe a little. Haven't really put much thought in it as a matter of fact.

Question - when you dream, HOW do you know it's a dream about your past lives?  ???  ??? I dream loads, but I've never tried to figure out, whether those dreams where somehow connected with the past..

And where do you find a psychic in your neighborhood anyway?! ..

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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2007, 08:09:52 am »
WOW!! How do you guys all know that about your past lives?! I'm not even sure I believe in it.. Well, maybe a little. Haven't really put much thought in it as a matter of fact.

Question - when you dream, HOW do you know it's a dream about your past lives?  ???  ??? I dream loads, but I've never tried to figure out, whether those dreams where somehow connected with the past..

And where do you find a psychic in your neighborhood anyway?! ..

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In response to your questions, Jude:

1. I was told about my previous incarnations by a Past Lives Regression (PLR) therapist.

2. I know little about dreams. I rarely remember my own dreams.

3. I was seeing a psychologist, following the break-up with my partner, and she referred me to a PLR therapist. To find a PLR therapist in your local area, visit any New Age store or alternative gift/book store that sells crystals, incense, occult books etc. Check the community notice board in the store. Alternatively, purchase a New Age magazine at your local newsagent and check the listings at the back. You could also consult the Internet for a PLR therapist in your area. Another excellent source of information is the Theosophical Society - check either on line or in your local phone book for the address of one of their bookstores nearest to you. Their bookstores are called Adyar Bookshop here in Australia - you could try doing a search for that (not sure what they're called in your part of the world - might be the same?).
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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2007, 01:03:55 pm »
Thank you for your answers Kerry! Does a PLR therapy only search for past lives then? Or will it dig into my childhood and youth and stuff? Just asking.. It all sounds a bit scary really.

It seems though that people here on this thread seem to know about who they were without PLR therapy. How? I mean, I wouldn't be suprised if I'm told I have been a man in past lives (but will not most people be one of both sexes and also the other at some point in their past lives? Oh, I talk as if I'm actually believing it.. Don't know if I do.. Difficult..), but I have no clue whatsover, really. Totally clueless.

3. I was seeing a psychologist, following the break-up with my partner, and she referred me to a PLR therapist. To find a PLR therapist in your local area, visit any New Age store or alternative gift/book store that sells crystals, incense, occult books etc. Check the community notice board in the store.
Kerry, I might actually know a place here in Brussels, where I could fine one of these shops.. Not sure though.

Alternatively, purchase a New Age magazine at your local newsagent and check the listings at the back. You could also consult the Internet for a PLR therapist in your area.
I don't even know what a New Age magazine is, but I could consult the Internet, of course.

Theosophical Society and Adyar Bookshops are foreign to me too, but I will do a little search.

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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2007, 02:05:30 pm »
For what it's worth, Jude, I have dreams with all kinds of people in them, known and unknown, all the time, and I almost always remember them vividly because I'm a very light sleeper so I tend to wake up right after them when they're fresh in my mind.  I've actually dreamed that I've died a couple of times - once by falling off a ledge, and once by plane crash.  My husband was in both dreams and died with me in both.  In both cases, we walked away from our bodies/the airplane lying there, and I said to him, "Are we dead?" and then woke up.  I've always thought these were anxiety dreams about worrying that our marriage was dying.  But one friend thinks they're past-lives dreams.  I dunno.  I have to say that like everything else, I can't believe in it without some kind of proof.  Just not a very faithful person in that sense.  And I haven't seen real proof yet.  Then again, I haven't seen real proof to the contrary, either, so I'll withhold final judgment.

As far as the dreams I have with dozens of people in them who I don't believe I know, my thinking on this is that these are all the people I see every day on the periphery - my subconscious registers them, but not my conscious mind.  So at night, my subconscious does a "core dump" to clear out those memory cells and releases all those people into my dreams.

If I did believe 100% in past lives, I'd believe that my mother and I have been soulmates (platonically, of course) through the ages.  And that I've been a gay man at least once.  I just understand (or think I do, at least) way too much intuitively about what it is to be a man, and what it is to be a man who loves other men, than a woman by all rights should.  I always have - since *way* before Brokeback (but it's probably one of the reasons why these characters break my heart so much).  I would also believe that I've lived in England - maybe even many times over.  I've been an Anglophile for as long as I can remember, but I didn't see England for the first time until I was 30.  I've since been back there twice because each time I go, I believe I am home.  I've only felt a natural pull to a place one other time in my life, and that was when I went to Rhode Island for a wedding once about 15 years ago.  I felt that pull while driving through a small town between Providence and the little seaside town in which our friends got married and could find no logical reason for it, since it was nothing, really, like anywhere I'd lived or been before.
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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2007, 07:26:02 pm »
Thank you for your answers Kerry! Does a PLR therapy only search for past lives then? Or will it dig into my childhood and youth and stuff? Just asking.. It all sounds a bit scary really.

I'm guessing that a PLR therapist probably specialises in only that field, Jude. If you want to look into your early childhood/youth in your present incarnation, there would be professionals who specialise exclusively in that field; psychologists, for instance. I was referred to the PLR therapist I saw, by a psychologist I was consulting at the time. I specifically wanted answers to one question, and one question only - Do I share any past-life history with my present partner? I am presuming that a PLR therapist could be as specific or general as appropriate, to your requirements. It's a fascinating topic.
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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2007, 07:51:23 pm »
If I did believe 100% in past lives, I'd believe that my mother and I have been soulmates (platonically, of course) through the ages. 

One of the most difficult things for me to accept about reincarnation, Barb, is that people such as one’s parents in this life, may have been something altogether different in a past life. For example, even though I feel certain I’ve shared many incarnations with my parents, I’ve had to accept that I may have had all kinds of relationships with them in the past. And not all of those associations would have been platonic – disconcerting as that may be to accept lol.
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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2007, 05:04:10 pm »
For what it's worth, Jude, I have dreams with all kinds of people in them, known and unknown, all the time, and I almost always remember them vividly because I'm a very light sleeper so I tend to wake up right after them when they're fresh in my mind.  I've actually dreamed that I've died a couple of times - once by falling off a ledge, and once by plane crash.  My husband was in both dreams and died with me in both.  In both cases, we walked away from our bodies/the airplane lying there, and I said to him, "Are we dead?" and then woke up.  I've always thought these were anxiety dreams about worrying that our marriage was dying.  But one friend thinks they're past-lives dreams.  I dunno.  I have to say that like everything else, I can't believe in it without some kind of proof.  Just not a very faithful person in that sense.  And I haven't seen real proof yet.  Then again, I haven't seen real proof to the contrary, either, so I'll withhold final judgment.

As far as the dreams I have with dozens of people in them who I don't believe I know, my thinking on this is that these are all the people I see every day on the periphery - my subconscious registers them, but not my conscious mind.  So at night, my subconscious does a "core dump" to clear out those memory cells and releases all those people into my dreams.

If I did believe 100% in past lives, I'd believe that my mother and I have been soulmates (platonically, of course) through the ages.  And that I've been a gay man at least once.  I just understand (or think I do, at least) way too much intuitively about what it is to be a man, and what it is to be a man who loves other men, than a woman by all rights should.  I always have - since *way* before Brokeback (but it's probably one of the reasons why these characters break my heart so much).  I would also believe that I've lived in England - maybe even many times over.  I've been an Anglophile for as long as I can remember, but I didn't see England for the first time until I was 30.  I've since been back there twice because each time I go, I believe I am home.  I've only felt a natural pull to a place one other time in my life, and that was when I went to Rhode Island for a wedding once about 15 years ago.  I felt that pull while driving through a small town between Providence and the little seaside town in which our friends got married and could find no logical reason for it, since it was nothing, really, like anywhere I'd lived or been before.


Extremely interesting. Barb!!  I felt the same way about England that I've not felt anywhere else I've traveled/or lived so far, even in Texas where I've lived my whole life.  Perhaps that will change when I finally make it to Italy?

I'm not sure I'd like to have such vivid dreamtimes.  I'm a heavy sleeper and always have been.  I know I must dream, but I hardly remember the dreams and when/if I do, it's either a nightmare about my current self - I've gotten killed in several dreams, shot or by falling - or else it's a dream like I'm watching a movie - they're almost always about other people or characters I've seen or read about.  So maybe, since I'm more solitary than most, my subconsicous is also doing a nightly 'dump' and clearing out all the memories of people/characters I've been reading/thinking about and concocts stories around them.

It was very interesting to read other people's previous life experiences.  I don't want to subscribe to karmic forces being involved in this phenomenon - such as Kerry's previous life experience where he left his pregnant lover in one life, which set himself up to be left by the same lover in the next life.  Some of the posters here were Nazi victims in a previous life - yet some are gay in this life and victimized yet again.  I'd hate to think that was karmic -   that someone wouldn't be victimized enough in a previous life, so they're set up to be persecuted again in their current incarnation.   :(

If I had previous lives - in colonial England or feudal Japan or more strongly the Graeco-Roman ancient world - I have no negative feelings about them.  i.e. I wasn't the conquered, but possibly one of the conquerors.  I have never had but one vision, no dreams, mostly what I get, when watching movies or TV or reading books is a out-of-nowhere intense feeling of - not deja vu exactly since it is about past lives - but more of that's exactly how it was.

My single vision, was that I was somewhere in ancient Greece or maybe Rome or a Romanized town.  I was female, in a Temple, leaning against a possibly Doric column, looking over far in the distance to an empty plain where an army was gathering to fight.  I could only see a dust cloud, but I knew what it was.  I was scared but also excited because I knew whoever won would not change my life because no one would desecrate the Temple.  Who was I then?  I've no idea.  I only get the feeling that I was young.  I'd be tempted to say I was a priestess or acolyte of the temple, but heck, I could've been a laundress or a slave who swept out the temple.  But whatever I was, I didn't get any sensation of grief, sorrow, regret or fear of being conquered (victimized).

What does it mean?  [shrug]
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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2007, 06:32:08 pm »
For example, even though I feel certain I’ve shared many incarnations with my parents, I’ve had to accept that I may have had all kinds of relationships with them in the past.

This is interesting. I have the deep feeling that my parents were totally unknown to me until this lifetime, and that I get them as parents this time round as due revenge for bad acts I may have committed against them - even if they were anonymous to me.
My brother I must have known before.
And Barb: I first went to England when I was 14, and felt I was back home. It was an extraordinarily powerful feeling. And I think I said before, I learnt English instinctively, "guessed" it more than learnt it, as if I could remember it.
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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #32 on: March 24, 2007, 11:16:54 pm »
It was very interesting to read other people's previous life experiences.  I don't want to subscribe to karmic forces being involved in this phenomenon - such as Kerry's previous life experience where he left his pregnant lover in one life, which set himself up to be left by the same lover in the next life. 

I had no idea what to expect from the PLR therapist I was referred to. It was the one and only time I've ever visited one. I'd remotely heard about PLR but didn't know what exactly was involved in a consultation. It was initially a warm, fuzzy, feel-good experience, to start with. Even some of the more disconcerting incarnations, such as when I was pregnant in Paris during the Middle Ages, washed over me in my calm, meditative state, with little or no perceived reaction from me (I had been given the pre-hypnotic suggestion to remember all the incarnations that came through while I was "under"). It wasn't until I was told that I had murdered my present partner in a previous incarnation, that I became distressed. That's probably an understatement. In fact, I became very distressed. So much so, the therapist had to terminate the session. I began crying uncontrollably. Not just the odd tear. I was wailing out loud and there were floods of tears streaming down my face. The therapist initially attempted to continue, and placed kleenex behind my ears, to catch the tears (I was lying on my back and I can remember feeling the tears flowing down past my ears). I was feeling very distressed, to the point of hysteria, but because of the hypnotic state I was in, I didn't know how to wake myself up, or get off the examination table. This extreme reaction was provoked by the therapist describing the scene, in vivid detail, where I murdered my present partner, all those many lifetimes ago. I could literally see myself killing all the other captives and could clearly see the last man standing in line. I could see the look of sheer terror on his face as he looked into my eyes, knowing that I was about to take his life. I was laughing at his distress. I had absolute power over him. I can still remember that feeling to this day. It's not a nice feeling. And at that moment, the therapist told me that this man would one day become my partner in my present incarnation. That's when I snapped. The face of my terrified captive suddenly acquired the features of my beloved in this life. And I still went ahead and murdered him. I didn't know this was going to happen. I hadn't planned to have this experience, when I made my appointment with the PLR therapist.  I guess I was quite ignorant about what to expect. I should warn anyone who is considering having past life regression, that what's revealed may not all be good. For example, I've apparently never been anyone famous or glamorous in any of my previous lives. Never been Cleopatra! Not even been an Egyptian priestess! On the whole, all of my previous lives have been lived under very ordinary circumstances. If anyone feels they may not be able to cope with getting the bad news along with the good, I would seriously counsel against PLR. The experience has the potential for being profoundly traumatising.     
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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2007, 11:26:55 pm »
isn't the whole thing about reincarnation that we are supposed to be learning something and we get a life that will teach us? Maybe the people who were in concentration camps and now are gay are supposed to be learning something (what I do not know) and didn't the last time so they are reliving a similar experience??

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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2007, 11:34:24 pm »
I have to very strongly second what Kerry has suggested here.

The reason why we have buried these memories is because our subconscious mind is a buffer against things that are too overwhelming for us to deal with.   No one can tell us better what our own souls have counseled us to forget, and it is profoundly irresponsible of "past life regressionists" to recite to us things that we do not remember and provoke things under hypnosis.

Hypnosis is a means of making the conscious will helpless and give direct suggestions to the subconscious mind.  If you surrender your conscious will to some unlicensed, unqualified, and irresponsible person - then what are you really doing?  Seeking truth?  Or setting yourself up as a victim of someone who is after money to facilely and irresponsible dig into your karma and serve up bits on a plate, leaving you devastated.

I have been taught in a legitimate spiritual school, and this school has methods for slowly, safely, and PRIVATELY unfolding our self knowledge by gentle means.  I can describe some of these techniques for those that are interested, and the method is known as Creative Visualization.  And no, it doesnt cost anything.  Unless you remember it yourself, and convince yourself of its veracity, nothing that a hypnotist tells you is really worth a hill of beans.

And if past lives were really all that easy to dig up accurately then everyone should be able to do it at will.  They arent.
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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #35 on: March 25, 2007, 04:05:30 am »
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isn't the whole thing about reincarnation that we are supposed to be learning something and we get a life that will teach us? Maybe the people who were in concentration camps and now are gay are supposed to be learning something (what I do not know) and didn't the last time so they are reliving a similar experience??

That was my thought too, Jess about the point of reincarnation.  If what Louise below says is correct, it may be that humans are forced to have new lives that treat them no better than the last because they didn’t learn the cosmic lesson the first time around simply because they forgot those previous life lessons.

That’s a scary thought.

But I think the point of forgetting a previous life is to be able to adapt comfortably to the newest life.  I imagine it would be extremely traumatic after all to find yourself years or centuries in the future, all that is familiar to you gone and forgotten.  Anne Rice in one of her ‘Vampire’ books has one of her characters explain how poorly adaptable to eternal life some converted vampires are and in the end they don’t survive because they don’t want to.

Again, we assume reincarnation is a divinely driven phenomenon - something we humans undergo to ‘learn’ something for some unknown future betterment goal – Nirvana, paradise, enlightenment, etc.  For all we know, if reincarnation exists, it is simply just one more naturally occurring phenomenon and whatever life we end up in future lives is simply chance. 

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Louisev said The reason why we have buried these memories is because our subconscious mind is a buffer against things that are too overwhelming for us to deal with.   No one can tell us better what our own souls have counseled us to forget, and it is profoundly irresponsible of "past life regressionists" to recite to us things that we do not remember and provoke things under hypnosis.
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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2007, 09:31:03 am »
Del said:

"Again, we assume reincarnation is a divinely driven phenomenon - something we humans undergo to ‘learn’ something for some unknown future betterment goal – Nirvana, paradise, enlightenment, etc.  For all we know, if reincarnation exists, it is simply just one more naturally occurring phenomenon and whatever life we end up in future lives is simply chance."

This is exactly how I see it.  Being an atheist, it's the only way I can.

On somewhat of an aside, some people who know my beliefs (or lack thereof) have asked me, "How can you find meaning in a world where everything happens by chance - where there is no *reason* for anything?"  I say that there doesn't have to be a reason for something to be meaningful.  Do we fall in love with another human being for a reason?  Those same people would probably say yes.  But I think that the fact that we are here, that we have evolved far enough that we are connecting with each other in this space, that we do all the things we do every day, is a miracle.  Not a miracle of God, but a miracle of nature.  And that if we embrace how really extraordinary that is, that can give us all the meaning we need.  That extraordinariness is my concept of God.  God to me is not some white-bearded man sitting on a cloud mountaintop.  God is nature.  God is chance.  God is natural selection.  And we are not God's favorites.  Sometimes, God roots for the bacteria.  Or the poisonous snake.  Or the tidal wave.  Or the conqueror.  Sometimes not.  All we can do is hang on and try to enjoy the ride and try to be good to one another in the process.  But then maybe that's just me.

And I'm with you, Louise.  I think some memories are better left buried - or at least until our psyches are ready to handle them.  I used to not believe in "Repressed Memory Syndrome" - I used to be suspicious of people who said that suddenly they were flooded with memories of abuse/molestation from childhood.  I knew my brother had molested me.  Thought I had accepted that.  So in my egotistical way I thought those other people were full of shit.  How wrong I was.  Once my conscious mind was ready to let the memories in, in they came.  And I remembered episodes of abuse and manipulation long buried.  I realized that it wasn't just a few times over a few years.  It was every day.  But had some hypnotherapist forced all that out of me (I question whether they're able to, honestly - a couple have tried and failed) before I was ready, the result could have been devastating.  As it is, I'm at a place in my life where I can handle it - I can handle it to the point that I'm not afraid of sharing it anymore.  And as I have with close women friends and folks here, a startling number of them have admitted that they, too, suffered frequent abuse from an older brother or parent or relative.  For those who need a reason for everything, maybe the reason I'm ready now is because I'm supposed to help other people with it.  But think of all the other people I could have helped years ago had I been ready then.

But I digress.  (And digress, and digress...)

Such an interesting conversation.  I love talking about this stuff.  I should have been a Philosophy major.  That's what I would have truly enjoyed studying, instead of the soul-sucking computer science and math I inflicted upon myself instead.

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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #37 on: March 26, 2007, 08:53:31 am »
I have been taught in a legitimate spiritual school, and this school has methods for slowly, safely, and PRIVATELY unfolding our self knowledge by gentle means.  I can describe some of these techniques for those that are interested, and the method is known as Creative Visualization.  And no, it doesnt cost anything.  Unless you remember it yourself, and convince yourself of its veracity, nothing that a hypnotist tells you is really worth a hill of beans.

I remember reading a book about Creative Visualisation some years ago. It was written by Shakti Gawain.  I would be very interested in learning more from you. Could you explain the techniques here? If so, maybe you should start a new thread. I am very interested in this subject.  :)
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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #38 on: March 27, 2007, 01:24:32 pm »
The reason why we have buried these memories is because our subconscious mind is a buffer against things that are too overwhelming for us to deal with.   No one can tell us better what our own souls have counseled us to forget, and it is profoundly irresponsible of "past life regressionists" to recite to us things that we do not remember and provoke things under hypnosis.

IMO we remember so little about past lives because the physical body we're currently in is where we need to be at present. And human nature being what it is, it would be easy to waste a lot of time and energy by brooding over past bad experiences or reliving good ones.

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Hypnosis is a means of making the conscious will helpless and give direct suggestions to the subconscious mind.  If you surrender your conscious will to some unlicensed, unqualified, and irresponsible person - then what are you really doing?  Seeking truth?  Or setting yourself up as a victim of someone who is after money to facilely and irresponsible dig into your karma and serve up bits on a plate, leaving you devastated.

I have been taught in a legitimate spiritual school, and this school has methods for slowly, safely, and PRIVATELY unfolding our self knowledge by gentle means.  I can describe some of these techniques for those that are interested, and the method is known as Creative Visualization.  And no, it doesnt cost anything.  Unless you remember it yourself, and convince yourself of its veracity, nothing that a hypnotist tells you is really worth a hill of beans.

Have been regressed twice - once in a private session in 1979, which was when I got my alternate username Talks to Coyotes. And again in a group workshop setting; this time the director gave us a suggestion that anything too upsetting would get blocked out. I had a vivid memory of being in some kind of cart and being taken to an execution. How I died I don't know because there was some kind of barrier in front of what I was looking at. That's why it's so[/i] important to pick the right person. You're opening doors that in "normal" life you're not meant to open and a lot of caution is in order.

I'd be interested in hearing about Creative Visualization!


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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #39 on: March 27, 2007, 08:14:50 pm »
Interesting topic. I can't say I have anything real concrete to contribute as reply, but I have had a few glimmers or intuitions that might mean something. For example, I have always dreaded fireworks, even as a small child. My grandfather took me and my sister to watch some Fourth of July fireworks when I was very little, and I was terrified. To my grandfather's consternation, I went and cowered in the backseat of the car until the show was over. Later, I have wondered if perhaps in a previous life I might have been a soldier who died in a hailstorm of bullets; perhaps the fireworks remind me of the sights and sounds of the battlefield.

Similarly, I have wondered if my phobias of flying and of outer space (sounds weird, I know) might stem from my having been a pilot or astronaut/cosmonaut who died in the course of performing his duties. It wouldn't be necessary to explain the phobias in these terms, but there might be something there.

I have also had a dream and a mental vision that have provoked speculation in me along these lines. First the dream, which I had quite a few years ago. I awoke once from a dream, recalling the very end of it, and being left with a warm, comfortable feeling. In my dream, I was a woman, clad in a long dress (my surroundings had a nineteenth-century ambience), standing before a window overlooking a courtyard. As I stand watching, a horse-drawn carriage, open (no roof visible), comes into view before the courtyard below, with two males figures seated therein. The man holding the reins was older, and his companion was younger. I feel a sense of great connection to these figures, and am quietly glad to see them. I feel that the older man is my husband, and the younger is my son. As the carriage is brought to a stop, I sense great comfort in knowing that these two are home, as I myself am. And that is when I awoke, with the continued feeling that somehow I had been in a very familiar, comfortable place...indeed, that I had been home.

In my vision, which occurred more recently, I was nursing a very painful, throbbing toothache in bed one night. I had nothing at home to reduce the pain, and was just waiting it out, which was proving to make for one very long night. I decided to quit mentally fighting the toothache, and just meet it head on. I focused on the throbbing sensation...throb, throb, ebb and flow, pain in and pain out, the rhythm of life. I went inside the pain, making no resistance to it. I remembered my visit to Hawaii in 1981, and of the delicious sensation of the soft ocean breeze blowing through the open window into my cousin's bedroom (where I slept) from the beach nearby, and of the soothing sound of the waves breaking upon the shore. I imagined myself back in that nocturnal bliss, and I thought of myself flying over that moonlit beach, past the breaking waves, out over the open ocean. I flew over those inky waters, my spirit borne by the nurturing wind, and my thoughts turned to the ancient Polynesians who had once traversed these uncharted seas, and of how they were like our modern astronauts, peering and probing fearlessly, deeply into the unknown. In my mind's eye a vessel appeared below me--a long wooden craft being steered by strong men, their boat being peopled by their women and their children, their goods and their animals, forging through foreign waters for a new home. I honed in on this slender yet sturdy ship, and focused on a young mother holding and tending her little baby. I focused deeper and deeper into this maternal vignette, as if I became that child, being loved and protected amid the surroundings of that starry sky and those murky waters, so tiny yet so safe. My pain faded away, and I slept.