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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2007, 05:04:10 pm »
For what it's worth, Jude, I have dreams with all kinds of people in them, known and unknown, all the time, and I almost always remember them vividly because I'm a very light sleeper so I tend to wake up right after them when they're fresh in my mind.  I've actually dreamed that I've died a couple of times - once by falling off a ledge, and once by plane crash.  My husband was in both dreams and died with me in both.  In both cases, we walked away from our bodies/the airplane lying there, and I said to him, "Are we dead?" and then woke up.  I've always thought these were anxiety dreams about worrying that our marriage was dying.  But one friend thinks they're past-lives dreams.  I dunno.  I have to say that like everything else, I can't believe in it without some kind of proof.  Just not a very faithful person in that sense.  And I haven't seen real proof yet.  Then again, I haven't seen real proof to the contrary, either, so I'll withhold final judgment.

As far as the dreams I have with dozens of people in them who I don't believe I know, my thinking on this is that these are all the people I see every day on the periphery - my subconscious registers them, but not my conscious mind.  So at night, my subconscious does a "core dump" to clear out those memory cells and releases all those people into my dreams.

If I did believe 100% in past lives, I'd believe that my mother and I have been soulmates (platonically, of course) through the ages.  And that I've been a gay man at least once.  I just understand (or think I do, at least) way too much intuitively about what it is to be a man, and what it is to be a man who loves other men, than a woman by all rights should.  I always have - since *way* before Brokeback (but it's probably one of the reasons why these characters break my heart so much).  I would also believe that I've lived in England - maybe even many times over.  I've been an Anglophile for as long as I can remember, but I didn't see England for the first time until I was 30.  I've since been back there twice because each time I go, I believe I am home.  I've only felt a natural pull to a place one other time in my life, and that was when I went to Rhode Island for a wedding once about 15 years ago.  I felt that pull while driving through a small town between Providence and the little seaside town in which our friends got married and could find no logical reason for it, since it was nothing, really, like anywhere I'd lived or been before.


Extremely interesting. Barb!!  I felt the same way about England that I've not felt anywhere else I've traveled/or lived so far, even in Texas where I've lived my whole life.  Perhaps that will change when I finally make it to Italy?

I'm not sure I'd like to have such vivid dreamtimes.  I'm a heavy sleeper and always have been.  I know I must dream, but I hardly remember the dreams and when/if I do, it's either a nightmare about my current self - I've gotten killed in several dreams, shot or by falling - or else it's a dream like I'm watching a movie - they're almost always about other people or characters I've seen or read about.  So maybe, since I'm more solitary than most, my subconsicous is also doing a nightly 'dump' and clearing out all the memories of people/characters I've been reading/thinking about and concocts stories around them.

It was very interesting to read other people's previous life experiences.  I don't want to subscribe to karmic forces being involved in this phenomenon - such as Kerry's previous life experience where he left his pregnant lover in one life, which set himself up to be left by the same lover in the next life.  Some of the posters here were Nazi victims in a previous life - yet some are gay in this life and victimized yet again.  I'd hate to think that was karmic -   that someone wouldn't be victimized enough in a previous life, so they're set up to be persecuted again in their current incarnation.   :(

If I had previous lives - in colonial England or feudal Japan or more strongly the Graeco-Roman ancient world - I have no negative feelings about them.  i.e. I wasn't the conquered, but possibly one of the conquerors.  I have never had but one vision, no dreams, mostly what I get, when watching movies or TV or reading books is a out-of-nowhere intense feeling of - not deja vu exactly since it is about past lives - but more of that's exactly how it was.

My single vision, was that I was somewhere in ancient Greece or maybe Rome or a Romanized town.  I was female, in a Temple, leaning against a possibly Doric column, looking over far in the distance to an empty plain where an army was gathering to fight.  I could only see a dust cloud, but I knew what it was.  I was scared but also excited because I knew whoever won would not change my life because no one would desecrate the Temple.  Who was I then?  I've no idea.  I only get the feeling that I was young.  I'd be tempted to say I was a priestess or acolyte of the temple, but heck, I could've been a laundress or a slave who swept out the temple.  But whatever I was, I didn't get any sensation of grief, sorrow, regret or fear of being conquered (victimized).

What does it mean?  [shrug]
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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2007, 06:32:08 pm »
For example, even though I feel certain I’ve shared many incarnations with my parents, I’ve had to accept that I may have had all kinds of relationships with them in the past.

This is interesting. I have the deep feeling that my parents were totally unknown to me until this lifetime, and that I get them as parents this time round as due revenge for bad acts I may have committed against them - even if they were anonymous to me.
My brother I must have known before.
And Barb: I first went to England when I was 14, and felt I was back home. It was an extraordinarily powerful feeling. And I think I said before, I learnt English instinctively, "guessed" it more than learnt it, as if I could remember it.
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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #32 on: March 24, 2007, 11:16:54 pm »
It was very interesting to read other people's previous life experiences.  I don't want to subscribe to karmic forces being involved in this phenomenon - such as Kerry's previous life experience where he left his pregnant lover in one life, which set himself up to be left by the same lover in the next life. 

I had no idea what to expect from the PLR therapist I was referred to. It was the one and only time I've ever visited one. I'd remotely heard about PLR but didn't know what exactly was involved in a consultation. It was initially a warm, fuzzy, feel-good experience, to start with. Even some of the more disconcerting incarnations, such as when I was pregnant in Paris during the Middle Ages, washed over me in my calm, meditative state, with little or no perceived reaction from me (I had been given the pre-hypnotic suggestion to remember all the incarnations that came through while I was "under"). It wasn't until I was told that I had murdered my present partner in a previous incarnation, that I became distressed. That's probably an understatement. In fact, I became very distressed. So much so, the therapist had to terminate the session. I began crying uncontrollably. Not just the odd tear. I was wailing out loud and there were floods of tears streaming down my face. The therapist initially attempted to continue, and placed kleenex behind my ears, to catch the tears (I was lying on my back and I can remember feeling the tears flowing down past my ears). I was feeling very distressed, to the point of hysteria, but because of the hypnotic state I was in, I didn't know how to wake myself up, or get off the examination table. This extreme reaction was provoked by the therapist describing the scene, in vivid detail, where I murdered my present partner, all those many lifetimes ago. I could literally see myself killing all the other captives and could clearly see the last man standing in line. I could see the look of sheer terror on his face as he looked into my eyes, knowing that I was about to take his life. I was laughing at his distress. I had absolute power over him. I can still remember that feeling to this day. It's not a nice feeling. And at that moment, the therapist told me that this man would one day become my partner in my present incarnation. That's when I snapped. The face of my terrified captive suddenly acquired the features of my beloved in this life. And I still went ahead and murdered him. I didn't know this was going to happen. I hadn't planned to have this experience, when I made my appointment with the PLR therapist.  I guess I was quite ignorant about what to expect. I should warn anyone who is considering having past life regression, that what's revealed may not all be good. For example, I've apparently never been anyone famous or glamorous in any of my previous lives. Never been Cleopatra! Not even been an Egyptian priestess! On the whole, all of my previous lives have been lived under very ordinary circumstances. If anyone feels they may not be able to cope with getting the bad news along with the good, I would seriously counsel against PLR. The experience has the potential for being profoundly traumatising.     
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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2007, 11:26:55 pm »
isn't the whole thing about reincarnation that we are supposed to be learning something and we get a life that will teach us? Maybe the people who were in concentration camps and now are gay are supposed to be learning something (what I do not know) and didn't the last time so they are reliving a similar experience??

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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2007, 11:34:24 pm »
I have to very strongly second what Kerry has suggested here.

The reason why we have buried these memories is because our subconscious mind is a buffer against things that are too overwhelming for us to deal with.   No one can tell us better what our own souls have counseled us to forget, and it is profoundly irresponsible of "past life regressionists" to recite to us things that we do not remember and provoke things under hypnosis.

Hypnosis is a means of making the conscious will helpless and give direct suggestions to the subconscious mind.  If you surrender your conscious will to some unlicensed, unqualified, and irresponsible person - then what are you really doing?  Seeking truth?  Or setting yourself up as a victim of someone who is after money to facilely and irresponsible dig into your karma and serve up bits on a plate, leaving you devastated.

I have been taught in a legitimate spiritual school, and this school has methods for slowly, safely, and PRIVATELY unfolding our self knowledge by gentle means.  I can describe some of these techniques for those that are interested, and the method is known as Creative Visualization.  And no, it doesnt cost anything.  Unless you remember it yourself, and convince yourself of its veracity, nothing that a hypnotist tells you is really worth a hill of beans.

And if past lives were really all that easy to dig up accurately then everyone should be able to do it at will.  They arent.
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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #35 on: March 25, 2007, 04:05:30 am »
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isn't the whole thing about reincarnation that we are supposed to be learning something and we get a life that will teach us? Maybe the people who were in concentration camps and now are gay are supposed to be learning something (what I do not know) and didn't the last time so they are reliving a similar experience??

That was my thought too, Jess about the point of reincarnation.  If what Louise below says is correct, it may be that humans are forced to have new lives that treat them no better than the last because they didn’t learn the cosmic lesson the first time around simply because they forgot those previous life lessons.

That’s a scary thought.

But I think the point of forgetting a previous life is to be able to adapt comfortably to the newest life.  I imagine it would be extremely traumatic after all to find yourself years or centuries in the future, all that is familiar to you gone and forgotten.  Anne Rice in one of her ‘Vampire’ books has one of her characters explain how poorly adaptable to eternal life some converted vampires are and in the end they don’t survive because they don’t want to.

Again, we assume reincarnation is a divinely driven phenomenon - something we humans undergo to ‘learn’ something for some unknown future betterment goal – Nirvana, paradise, enlightenment, etc.  For all we know, if reincarnation exists, it is simply just one more naturally occurring phenomenon and whatever life we end up in future lives is simply chance. 

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Louisev said The reason why we have buried these memories is because our subconscious mind is a buffer against things that are too overwhelming for us to deal with.   No one can tell us better what our own souls have counseled us to forget, and it is profoundly irresponsible of "past life regressionists" to recite to us things that we do not remember and provoke things under hypnosis.
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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2007, 09:31:03 am »
Del said:

"Again, we assume reincarnation is a divinely driven phenomenon - something we humans undergo to ‘learn’ something for some unknown future betterment goal – Nirvana, paradise, enlightenment, etc.  For all we know, if reincarnation exists, it is simply just one more naturally occurring phenomenon and whatever life we end up in future lives is simply chance."

This is exactly how I see it.  Being an atheist, it's the only way I can.

On somewhat of an aside, some people who know my beliefs (or lack thereof) have asked me, "How can you find meaning in a world where everything happens by chance - where there is no *reason* for anything?"  I say that there doesn't have to be a reason for something to be meaningful.  Do we fall in love with another human being for a reason?  Those same people would probably say yes.  But I think that the fact that we are here, that we have evolved far enough that we are connecting with each other in this space, that we do all the things we do every day, is a miracle.  Not a miracle of God, but a miracle of nature.  And that if we embrace how really extraordinary that is, that can give us all the meaning we need.  That extraordinariness is my concept of God.  God to me is not some white-bearded man sitting on a cloud mountaintop.  God is nature.  God is chance.  God is natural selection.  And we are not God's favorites.  Sometimes, God roots for the bacteria.  Or the poisonous snake.  Or the tidal wave.  Or the conqueror.  Sometimes not.  All we can do is hang on and try to enjoy the ride and try to be good to one another in the process.  But then maybe that's just me.

And I'm with you, Louise.  I think some memories are better left buried - or at least until our psyches are ready to handle them.  I used to not believe in "Repressed Memory Syndrome" - I used to be suspicious of people who said that suddenly they were flooded with memories of abuse/molestation from childhood.  I knew my brother had molested me.  Thought I had accepted that.  So in my egotistical way I thought those other people were full of shit.  How wrong I was.  Once my conscious mind was ready to let the memories in, in they came.  And I remembered episodes of abuse and manipulation long buried.  I realized that it wasn't just a few times over a few years.  It was every day.  But had some hypnotherapist forced all that out of me (I question whether they're able to, honestly - a couple have tried and failed) before I was ready, the result could have been devastating.  As it is, I'm at a place in my life where I can handle it - I can handle it to the point that I'm not afraid of sharing it anymore.  And as I have with close women friends and folks here, a startling number of them have admitted that they, too, suffered frequent abuse from an older brother or parent or relative.  For those who need a reason for everything, maybe the reason I'm ready now is because I'm supposed to help other people with it.  But think of all the other people I could have helped years ago had I been ready then.

But I digress.  (And digress, and digress...)

Such an interesting conversation.  I love talking about this stuff.  I should have been a Philosophy major.  That's what I would have truly enjoyed studying, instead of the soul-sucking computer science and math I inflicted upon myself instead.

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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #37 on: March 26, 2007, 08:53:31 am »
I have been taught in a legitimate spiritual school, and this school has methods for slowly, safely, and PRIVATELY unfolding our self knowledge by gentle means.  I can describe some of these techniques for those that are interested, and the method is known as Creative Visualization.  And no, it doesnt cost anything.  Unless you remember it yourself, and convince yourself of its veracity, nothing that a hypnotist tells you is really worth a hill of beans.

I remember reading a book about Creative Visualisation some years ago. It was written by Shakti Gawain.  I would be very interested in learning more from you. Could you explain the techniques here? If so, maybe you should start a new thread. I am very interested in this subject.  :)
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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #38 on: March 27, 2007, 01:24:32 pm »
The reason why we have buried these memories is because our subconscious mind is a buffer against things that are too overwhelming for us to deal with.   No one can tell us better what our own souls have counseled us to forget, and it is profoundly irresponsible of "past life regressionists" to recite to us things that we do not remember and provoke things under hypnosis.

IMO we remember so little about past lives because the physical body we're currently in is where we need to be at present. And human nature being what it is, it would be easy to waste a lot of time and energy by brooding over past bad experiences or reliving good ones.

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Hypnosis is a means of making the conscious will helpless and give direct suggestions to the subconscious mind.  If you surrender your conscious will to some unlicensed, unqualified, and irresponsible person - then what are you really doing?  Seeking truth?  Or setting yourself up as a victim of someone who is after money to facilely and irresponsible dig into your karma and serve up bits on a plate, leaving you devastated.

I have been taught in a legitimate spiritual school, and this school has methods for slowly, safely, and PRIVATELY unfolding our self knowledge by gentle means.  I can describe some of these techniques for those that are interested, and the method is known as Creative Visualization.  And no, it doesnt cost anything.  Unless you remember it yourself, and convince yourself of its veracity, nothing that a hypnotist tells you is really worth a hill of beans.

Have been regressed twice - once in a private session in 1979, which was when I got my alternate username Talks to Coyotes. And again in a group workshop setting; this time the director gave us a suggestion that anything too upsetting would get blocked out. I had a vivid memory of being in some kind of cart and being taken to an execution. How I died I don't know because there was some kind of barrier in front of what I was looking at. That's why it's so[/i] important to pick the right person. You're opening doors that in "normal" life you're not meant to open and a lot of caution is in order.

I'd be interested in hearing about Creative Visualization!


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Re: Who do think you have been in previous lives?
« Reply #39 on: March 27, 2007, 08:14:50 pm »
Interesting topic. I can't say I have anything real concrete to contribute as reply, but I have had a few glimmers or intuitions that might mean something. For example, I have always dreaded fireworks, even as a small child. My grandfather took me and my sister to watch some Fourth of July fireworks when I was very little, and I was terrified. To my grandfather's consternation, I went and cowered in the backseat of the car until the show was over. Later, I have wondered if perhaps in a previous life I might have been a soldier who died in a hailstorm of bullets; perhaps the fireworks remind me of the sights and sounds of the battlefield.

Similarly, I have wondered if my phobias of flying and of outer space (sounds weird, I know) might stem from my having been a pilot or astronaut/cosmonaut who died in the course of performing his duties. It wouldn't be necessary to explain the phobias in these terms, but there might be something there.

I have also had a dream and a mental vision that have provoked speculation in me along these lines. First the dream, which I had quite a few years ago. I awoke once from a dream, recalling the very end of it, and being left with a warm, comfortable feeling. In my dream, I was a woman, clad in a long dress (my surroundings had a nineteenth-century ambience), standing before a window overlooking a courtyard. As I stand watching, a horse-drawn carriage, open (no roof visible), comes into view before the courtyard below, with two males figures seated therein. The man holding the reins was older, and his companion was younger. I feel a sense of great connection to these figures, and am quietly glad to see them. I feel that the older man is my husband, and the younger is my son. As the carriage is brought to a stop, I sense great comfort in knowing that these two are home, as I myself am. And that is when I awoke, with the continued feeling that somehow I had been in a very familiar, comfortable place...indeed, that I had been home.

In my vision, which occurred more recently, I was nursing a very painful, throbbing toothache in bed one night. I had nothing at home to reduce the pain, and was just waiting it out, which was proving to make for one very long night. I decided to quit mentally fighting the toothache, and just meet it head on. I focused on the throbbing sensation...throb, throb, ebb and flow, pain in and pain out, the rhythm of life. I went inside the pain, making no resistance to it. I remembered my visit to Hawaii in 1981, and of the delicious sensation of the soft ocean breeze blowing through the open window into my cousin's bedroom (where I slept) from the beach nearby, and of the soothing sound of the waves breaking upon the shore. I imagined myself back in that nocturnal bliss, and I thought of myself flying over that moonlit beach, past the breaking waves, out over the open ocean. I flew over those inky waters, my spirit borne by the nurturing wind, and my thoughts turned to the ancient Polynesians who had once traversed these uncharted seas, and of how they were like our modern astronauts, peering and probing fearlessly, deeply into the unknown. In my mind's eye a vessel appeared below me--a long wooden craft being steered by strong men, their boat being peopled by their women and their children, their goods and their animals, forging through foreign waters for a new home. I honed in on this slender yet sturdy ship, and focused on a young mother holding and tending her little baby. I focused deeper and deeper into this maternal vignette, as if I became that child, being loved and protected amid the surroundings of that starry sky and those murky waters, so tiny yet so safe. My pain faded away, and I slept.