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How did Jack's father know about Brokeback Mountain??
« on: March 21, 2007, 06:53:55 pm »
How did Jack's father know where Brokeback Mountain is?

1. Jack confided to his father and/or mother??

2. Or is it something else; it came from ANOTHER source??

As this became evident in another who answered one of my threads,
pray that this will be more elaborated with you all.

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Re: How did Jack's father know about Brokeback Mountain??
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2007, 06:59:09 pm »
I suppose he got around. Brokeback was supposedly a part of the Grand Tetons so if he ever went hunting, fishing or something it's highly likely he would've known about the place. Also I don't think the mountain itself was exactly a secret.
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Re: How did Jack's father know about Brokeback Mountain??
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2007, 08:45:33 pm »
Thanks opinionista!

Glad that you mention that Brokeback is supposed to be a part of the Grand Tetons, in the USA!!
I had forgotten that! What a grand place, nature there!!

A former friend, penpal, lived there; he was gay; he was murdered, unfortunately! We do not know who killed him (we can only guess). (It was likely what we think about Jack...Twist, may I say!! Badly... horrible it was!!)
He was a hunting guide for bears! Even moose came to feed with his horses on his farm/place. Had great photos of that! And those Grand Tetons (french words meaning big tits, right word is breasts) are great, as they are two tops beside each other!! Wonder if part of those were in the movie... I think so... as parts, even if the film was made in Altberta, Canada which is grand there with the Rockies too!! I have forgotten if he hunted for elk?? Why did Annie include elk?

Yes, that hunting there is still somewhat a secret, I think!!??

But was that how by word of mouth from hunters that Jack's father got to know?? Maybe?

I think it is something else, or could be so??

You mention a good source!! Potential one!!

Await your news,

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Re: How did Jack's father know about Brokeback Mountain??
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2007, 07:15:48 pm »
I am sure Jack mentioned to his parents about Brokeback Mountain. He worked there two summers, it would have come up in casual conversation...and remember, his mother knew where he was working, cause she sent Aquirre up there with the message about Uncle Harold!!

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Re: How did Jack's father know about Brokeback Mountain??
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2007, 08:00:38 pm »
Thanks injest!

You are right that Jack's parents knew where Brokeback Mountain was; at least, the mother did as you say since she communicates to her son via his boss.

The mother loved her son... as she communicated that Jack's uncle was not well!! She must have told her husband: Mr. Twist, where Brokeback mountain was!! Surely, that in those days... as she continued to live with her husband!!

Or did Jack tell both parents?? Likely so?? All those years?? 20??

This (the Uncle not being well and well afterwards) shows drama somehow!! For the future too??
And there is a twist to the story already!! Jack's and Ennis' boss sees them, from away, Ennis and Jack playing together happîly and kissing!! Wow! Wow!

Did Jack's boss tell that to Jack's mother?? And/or father?? About two men kissing??

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Re: How did Jack's father know about Brokeback Mountain??
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2007, 10:13:34 pm »
This (the Uncle not being well and well afterwards) shows drama somehow!! For the future too??
And there is a twist to the story already!! Jack's and Ennis' boss sees them, from away, Ennis and Jack playing together happîly and kissing!! Wow! Wow!

Did Jack's boss tell that to Jack's mother?? And/or father?? About two men kissing??

Awaiting your news,


I don't think Aguirre told Jack's mother about that. What use would it have served? To me, it looked like he didn't much care about what they were doing. He was just interested in protecting his investment in sheep. When he saw through the binoculars, I got the impression it wasn't anything he hadn't seen before. He was always of the impression that "ranch stiffs are never no good." It's interesting what you say about Uncle Harold. Yes, I do believe his illness was a premonition. Uncle Harold had pneumonia, an illness of the lungs, and pumping up a tire is a pneumatic activity...the tires are filled like air, similar to lungs.  :'(
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Re: How did Jack's father know about Brokeback Mountain??
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2007, 11:25:39 am »
Art - I think you bring up a very interesting perspective - certainly one I had never thought of before. We know that Aguirre and Jack's mom were in contact at least two times while Jack and Ennis were up on the mountain. I am going to assume, like most mothers, that Jack's mom had to have asked him at least once how Jack was. I can surmise that Aguirre would not have overtly said anything about Jack and Ennis' intimacy - but it could have been intimated - maybe something like, 'well he sure is getting along well with that Ennis Del Mar fellow'. I could then imagine Jack's mom relates the (phone) conversation to Jack's father. I am assuming they spoke by phone (Aguirre and Jack's mom) - maybe not though - she could have written a lettter and mailed it in care of the employment agency.
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Re: How did Jack's father know about Brokeback Mountain??
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2007, 03:50:17 pm »
Thanks Front-Ranger!!

(Note: BBM-Cat 2006), I will answer you next as you were second in line.)

There is still a puzzle for me regarding How did Jack's father know about Brokeback Mountain??
And this is much more complexe, I feel now, and greatly revealing too!! And more and more!!
You are helping me and others.

Here is your comment:
I don't think Aguirre told Jack's mother about that. What use would it have served? To me, it looked like he didn't much care about what they were doing. He was just interested in protecting his investment in sheep. When he saw through the binoculars, I got the impression it wasn't anything he hadn't seen before. He was always of the impression that "ranch stiffs are never no good." It's interesting what you say about Uncle Harold. Yes, I do believe his illness was a premonition. Uncle Harold had pneumonia, an illness of the lungs, and pumping up a tire is a pneumatic activity...the tires are filled like air, similar to lungs. 
 
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You do not think that Acquire (Jack's boss) told Jack's mother about Jack's and Ennis' relationship?? as two lovers, kissers, or players, or ??
Maybe, Acquire would not have said the real scene: Jack and Ennis both were kissing!! Likely not!! However, Acquire must have said something, as there is one or more indirect proofs, it seems to me!! If he did not say so, that Acquire's way of doing things might have suggested it, maybe?? (As BBM-Cat 2006 seems to suggest below here, if you read BBM0Cat2006's comment!! ??) (When you think about it, why did Annie call that boss Acquire?? Why was the boss's name: ACQUIRE??

Let's get back to Jack's father: How did Jack's father know about Brokeback Mountain?? Would he have spoken to Acquire?? Once or more, like twice or even three I suggest times?? How? By telephone?? By telegraph?? By letters?? By messager??

It could very well be that Acquire got communications by Mrs. Twist (or Mr. Twist & Mrs. Twist, or just Mr. Twist),
as BBM-Cat 2006 suggest here below?? The agent, via the employment agency??

One thing for sure, telephone calls were VERY expensive those days, indeed for long distances MUCH MUCH more??  Mr and Mrs. Twist were dirt poor?? So why telephone?? Annie's story mentions that telephone?? Plus, Jack's truck on his arrival on the movie was his?? Poor truck?? It was choking, (I know what that was... no money for new spark plus, etc.)!! NOT a new one??

Saying for now... will continue by re-reading you here again, and adding later, OK??

Wow, you have helped!

Awaiting your news,

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Re: How did Jack's father know about Brokeback Mountain??
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2007, 04:00:57 pm »
Thanks BBM-Cat 2006!!

You bring too a very interesting perspective!! Great!!

And I find now that this question is much more demanding that I thought, at first!!
It certainly is not a rotten apple in a barrel of apples, as one (as myself) or most (or some) persons might think!!??
I say that as most, even myself at first, disliked Mr. Twist!! That scene when Jack's visit Mr. and Mrs. Twist's home after Jack's death is heartbreaking!! And we feel that Jack's dad is heartless, somewhat, maybe??

The question remains: How did Jack's father know about Brokeback Mountain?? This may seem simple, and now I find it complex!! Wow! Wwow!

Here is your comment:
Art - I think you bring up a very interesting perspective - certainly one I had never thought of before. We know that Aguirre and Jack's mom were in contact at least two times while Jack and Ennis were up on the mountain. I am going to assume, like most mothers, that Jack's mom had to have asked him at least once how Jack was. I can surmise that Aguirre would not have overtly said anything about Jack and Ennis' intimacy - but it could have been intimated - maybe something like, 'well he sure is getting along well with that Ennis Del Mar fellow'. I could then imagine Jack's mom relates the (phone) conversation to Jack's father. I am assuming they spoke by phone (Aguirre and Jack's mom) - maybe not though - she could have written a lettter and mailed it in care of the employment agency.
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Did Jack's mother really communicated twice with Acquire?? Any proof?? Book and/or movie??








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Re: How did Jack's father know about Brokeback Mountain??
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2007, 04:07:12 pm »
I am assuming they spoke by phone (Aguirre and Jack's mom) - maybe not though - she could have written a letter and mailed it in care of the employment agency.

If she wrote a letter I guess Aguirre would've given it directly to Jack, don't you think? I think is quite likely she called Aguirre. I can imagine Jack telling his parents where he was going to and for how long.
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