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Fred Phelps
« on: April 01, 2007, 04:39:23 pm »
Just watching a documentary on BBC 1 called Louis Theroux: The Most Hated Family In America.

I had vaguely heard of the Phelps before but oh my god, these people are mad.

Among the most random things they did was picket a hardware store who sold Sweedish Vacuum Cleaners because in sweeden a 'Pastor' was arrested for shouting against homosexuality in the street.

These little kids in these families are just being indoctrinated they don't know what they are holding up banners for.

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Re: Fred Phelps
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2007, 05:02:35 pm »
I am very familiar with Fred Phelps Kelda. He has been to Indiana MANY times, protesting the funerals of gay people. His clan protests the funerals of fallen soldiers too.

They are SICK SICK SICK!   >:(  >:(  >:(

I'm so sorry to hear he is polluting the British airwaves over there.
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Re: Fred Phelps
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2007, 05:54:43 pm »
Louis Theroux is a great documentary maker - its actually quite an interesting insight in to their weird little world.

Louis basically lived with the family for about 4 weeks.

Scary Scary horrible family.
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Re: Fred Phelps
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2007, 05:22:51 am »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps

I just read the wikipedia entry about Fred Phelps, and I wonder why the media pays attention to them. He has said some very terrible stuff about gays. I am an atheist but really how can they say they're preaching God's word?
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Re: Fred Phelps
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2007, 06:38:24 am »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps

I just read the wikipedia entry about Fred Phelps, and I wonder why the media pays attention to them. He has said some very terrible stuff about gays. I am an atheist but really how can they say they're preaching God's word?

yeah I looked at that last night too after watching the programme.

The bible can be interpreted anyway if you pick and choose the bits you read... I'm neither an athiest or a particularly religious - but yeah - thats is NOT God's word.

Louis Theroux put that to the main guy last night - very interesting response! (basically called him a dumbass, an agressor -Louis is so laidback and nice he is horizontal - and shouted at him! No real answer.)

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Re: Fred Phelps
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2007, 07:57:14 am »
HE LIVED WITH THEM FOR A MONTH!?!?  :o Wasn't he worried about not getting out there alive??

I had never heard of the Phelps before last year either, but somewhere here on BMost, a thread mentioned Fred Phelps and family and their scary actions.. I checked Wikipedia too.

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Re: Fred Phelps
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2007, 08:34:59 am »
Actually it was 3 weeks.. here's his take on them.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6507971.stm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctwo/noise/?id=louis_theroux - this one has a podcast but I can't access it from work.
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Re: Fred Phelps
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2007, 08:39:51 am »
Actually it was 3 weeks.. here's his take on them.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6507971.stm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctwo/noise/?id=louis_theroux - this one has a podcast but I can't access it from work.
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Re: Fred Phelps
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2007, 08:47:35 am »
That guy is sick.


If he was targeting any other group, he would be stopped.   But Gay people are the last tollerated target by society.    Yes, he is making people mad.  But we are not violent or a threat to him.   

But now that he is picketing military funerals, maybe a disgrunteled veteran with post stress syndrome will put a bullet in Mr. Phelps.

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Re: Fred Phelps
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2007, 01:30:02 pm »
The problem that would make that person as bad as him.



From the wikipedia article it looks like they have done something around the funerals...but that doesn't seem to stop him doing it at non armed forces funerals.

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On May 24, 2006, the United States House and Senate passed the Respect for America's Fallen Heroes Act, which President Bush signed five days later. The act bans protests within 300 feet of national cemeteries — which numbered 122 when the bill was signed — from an hour before a funeral to an hour after it. Violators face up to a $100,000 fine and up to a year in prison.[47]

As of April 2006, at least 17 states have banned protests near funeral sites immediately before and after ceremonies, or are considering it. These are: Illinois,[48][49] Indiana,[50] Iowa,[51] Kansas,[52] Kentucky,[53] Louisiana,[54] Maryland,[55]Michigan,[56] Missouri,[57] which passed the law, and Nebraska, Ohio, Oklahoma,[58] South Carolina,[59] South Dakota, Texas, Vermont, Virginia, West Virginia, and Wisconsin.[60] Florida increased the penalty for disturbing military funerals, amending a previous ban on the disruption of lawful assembly.[61]

These bans have not been uncontested. Bart McQueary, having protested with Phelps on at least three occasions,[62] filed a lawsuit in federal court challenging the constitutionality of Kentucky's funeral protest ban. On September 26, 2006, a district court agreed and entered an injunction prohibiting the ban from being enforced.[62] In the opinion, the judge wrote:

    Sections 5(1)(b) and (c) restrict substantially more speech than that which would interfere with a funeral or that which would be so obtrusive that funeral participants could not avoid it. Accordingly, the provisions are not narrowly tailored to serve a significant government interest but are instead unconstitutionally overbroad.

The American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit in Missouri on behalf of Phelps and Westboro Baptist Church to overturn the ban on the picketing of soldier's funerals.[63] The ACLU of Ohio also filed a similar lawsuit.[64]

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To counter the Phelps' protests at funerals of soldiers, a group of motorcycle riders has formed the Patriot Guard Riders to provide a nonviolent, volunteer buffer between the protesters and mourners.[47]

In addition, when Phelps and his Westboro followers have shown up at Walter Reed Army Medical Center or other locales in the Washington area, they have been actively protested by the DC Chapter of Free Republic, a conservative website.
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Re: Fred Phelps
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2007, 06:19:21 pm »
The ever charming Mr. Phelps and his minions are at it again. Look how these reprehensible people are exploiting the recent tragedy at Virginia Tech. The link below provides the online text to an article printed in yesterday's edition of 'The Daily Texan':

http://media.www.dailytexanonline.com/media/storage/paper410/news/2007/04/23/University/Church.Plans.Protests.At.Tech.Funerals-2873749.shtml

Phelps and his crew believe every disaster, whether natural or manmade, is God's message to an unrepentant world of how much He hates sodomites. Seems like God would have at least a few other things on His mind from time to time.
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Re: Fred Phelps
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2007, 06:38:59 pm »
that 'chuch' never ceases to amaze me...

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Re: Fred Phelps
« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2007, 06:46:50 pm »
The ever charming Mr. Phelps and his minions are at it again. Look how these reprehensible people are exploiting the recent tragedy at Virginia Tech. The link below provides the online text to an article printed in yesterday's edition of 'The Daily Texan', the student newspaper of The University of Texas at Austin:

http://media.www.dailytexanonline.com/media/storage/paper410/news/2007/04/23/University/Church.Plans.Protests.At.Tech.Funerals-2873749.shtml

Phelps and his crew believe every disaster, whether natural or manmade, is God's message to an unrepentant world of how much He hates sodomites. Seems like God would have at least a few other things on His mind from time to time.

nope...sorry...all sex all the time....God has a sex addiction...

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Re: Fred Phelps
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2007, 07:27:01 pm »
What saddens me more is that there are enough people out there who agree with him and keep funding his so called church.

Since he hates everyone, maybe he should protest at his own church?

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Re: Fred Phelps
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2007, 08:14:12 pm »
The following is the reaction from Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church over the British documentary Kelda was telling us about....

WARNING: This contains some very rude language.

http://www.godhatesfags.com/writings/20070401_open-letter-to-uk.pdf
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Re: Fred Phelps
« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2007, 08:36:49 pm »
The following is the reaction from Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church over the British documentary Kelda was telling us about....

WARNING: This contains some very rude language.

http://www.godhatesfags.com/writings/20070401_open-letter-to-uk.pdf



Yup.  That's the look on my face when I read that crap too.

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Re: Fred Phelps
« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2007, 09:19:57 pm »
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A picture is worth a thousand words. Below are pictures taken from some of Fred Phelp's and the Westboro Baptist Church's various protests around the country. A few of these pictures were taken here in Indiana.....


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This is a picture from a Gay-Straight Alliance counter protest in San Francisco....

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Re: Fred Phelps
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2007, 09:51:17 pm »
Those people should thank god they never came to my town.

I think I'd have a hard time keeping my car from aiming for them if I saw them on waving one of those signs at me.    >:(


What a shame.   Raising their children to be full of hate.

Too bad they don't spend their time on more productive things.       You wonder what went wrong in their lives to make them such whackos?

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Re: Fred Phelps
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2007, 03:39:05 am »
I can't see or read any of these due tp website restictions at work. I will look at at home tonight. 

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Re: Fred Phelps
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2007, 04:46:33 pm »
The following is the reaction from Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church over the British documentary Kelda was telling us about....

WARNING: This contains some very rude language.

http://www.godhatesfags.com/writings/20070401_open-letter-to-uk.pdf

For the love of god. these people are insane.
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Re: Fred Phelps
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2007, 05:04:23 pm »
And look at the smiles on their faces!  :o They are so off the wall I don't see them attracting many followers. Some straight people may not like homosexuality, but don't mess with their soldiers.

I am waiting for the day I see these pictures in a book when one of those kids comes out of the closet and tells their story. Talk about fixiated on something. If all the fags in the wolrd dissapeared, would they find someone else to hate? Like the left handed?
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Re: Fred Phelps
« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2007, 05:07:31 pm »
Thank you for posting those pictures, David.  They get the point across they way mere words cannot.

Indoctrinating, brainwashing, their children with hate - those parents should be declared unfit and the children adopted by loving gay couples...But we live in a society with free speech, so that won't work, will it?

Isn't it curious that anybody can produce a child...You should have seen the hoops I had to jump through to adopt my two cats!  Irony there.

Like a lot of us, I'm not particularly religious, but spiritual.  I was raised in a fundamentalist church.  If I said 'God hates <insert any verb> fags <insert any group>, I'd be afraid I'd be struck dead and dumb right there.  Doesn't that seem to be the ultimate arrogance, to presume you have a categorical understanding of what God thinks.

Maybe this is another form of mental illness, self-delusion, delusions of grandeur - they just haven't been diagnosed yet.

The adults are probably a lost cause.  But maybe the children can be saved.  Maybe they'll grow up, get out on their own, meet people who weren't raised like them, and have a real revelation.
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Re: Fred Phelps
« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2007, 05:09:31 pm »
Some straight people may not like homosexuality, but don't mess with their soldiers.

Here's another question...what's the difference in a religion and a cult?  I'll go check it out.  Maybe children can be taken away if their parents are in a cult?
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« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2007, 06:00:22 pm »
Here's another question...what's the difference in a religion and a cult?  I'll go check it out.  Maybe children can be taken away if their parents are in a cult?
There's that joke that begins with the question: What's the difference between a cult and a religion? Answer: Two thousand years.

Truth is, what has evolved into orthodox Christianity was, in its earliest days, seen by officialdom as one crackpot fringe religion among many others, and very much the social problem that we deem modern 'cults' to be. It is merely the weight of centuries and tradition that has changed how this particular 'cult' (and all other religions) has come to be viewed.

I think that we tend to call a faith that gains our respect, if not necessarily our belief, a 'religion', while those faith-based systems that engender the opposite feeling are cited as 'cults'. Otherwise, I think the terminology tends to be arbitrary.

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Re: Fred Phelps
« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2007, 06:20:19 pm »
The Daily Texan Online article Moremojo refers to had really interesting reader comments at the bottom. (At least as of the other day when I read it)

All were by people who self-identified as Christian and/or military and/or conservative, and they all said Phelps is a scary, intolerant nutjob.

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« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2007, 06:31:08 pm »
remember also that Phelp's group are all family members...buncha inbred imbeciles...

won't surprise me when we hear he is 'raising his own'...

and yeah, I said when....my radar goes off every time I see him....and my radar has NEVER been wrong...

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« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2007, 10:09:27 pm »
And look at the smiles on their faces!  :o They are so off the wall I don't see them attracting many followers. Some straight people may not like homosexuality, but don't mess with their soldiers.

I am waiting for the day I see these pictures in a book when one of those kids comes out of the closet and tells their story. Talk about fixiated on something. If all the fags in the wolrd dissapeared, would they find someone else to hate? Like the left handed?

Often times during their protests, they will hold the American flag upside down or drag it on the ground and spit on it. They openly claim to hate America and they protest the funerals of fallen American soldiers. Then they claim their Constitutional rights have been trampled on when they are told they cannot protest within 200 yards of a military funeral.

http://www.godhatesfags.com/fliers/jan2006/20060114_pandering-demagogic-legislatures.pdf

These people are crazier than shit house rats.  >:(

I must admit I am disappointed though because they have been protesting gay funerals for 15 years or more. Hardly anyone paid any attention to them until they started protesting the military funerals. Yes, I think it is appalling and disgusting to protest at the funerals of these brave men and women. But isn't it equally horrible to do the same thing at a funeral of a gay person; or ANY person for that matter.

Last year, when they were protesting a funeral of a gay man near Indianapolis, it was briefly covered on the local news here; not because the media was particularly interested or upset, but because they were attempting to point out the group not only targeted the military, but gay people too (hell, they targeted US first). During the protest, some of the church members could be heard yelling to the family members (and I am paraphrasing) " Your son is burning in Hell! God is celebrating and so are we! And we think it's funny!" What a terrible thing to say to a grieving family! They actually REJOICE because they believe someone is in Hell, and they ENJOY tormenting the family members. They think it's fun.

Some states have passed laws requiring they remain a certain distance from a military funeral. But unless I'm mistaken, Indiana has not passed such a law for gay funerals; only the military ones. I find this very disappointing, but it doesn't surprise me. I suppose Indiana is afraid of a lawsuit from Fred Phelps claiming they took away his right to Free Speech. I don't know.

Currently they are targeting other countries too including The Netherlands (because of the country's liberal attitude towards homosexuality), Belgium, Spain, Great Britain, Sweden, Denmark and Canada. I would love to find out where they get all this money to travel. Apparently none of them have jobs because they are always on the road protesting all these funerals. Maybe they have donated all their property and belongings to the church to raise the funds. And if so, this makes me think of that Jim Jones and The People's Church back in the late 1970's. That was DEFINATELY a cult!  :(

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Re: Fred Phelps
« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2007, 10:29:55 pm »
One girl isn't wearing the shirt, thank you God.


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Re: Fred Phelps
« Reply #28 on: June 22, 2007, 04:06:35 am »
There was another Phelps related programme on tUK tv last night.

This time they were being followed and interviewed by Keith Allen (for those of you who know of Lily Allen the teenage singer - this is her Dad). It was called Keith Allen Will Burn In Hell

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Keith Allen discovers an unnerving mixture of hatred, fanaticism and fun when he investigates one of the USA’s most extreme fundamentalist churches.

The members of Westboro Baptist Church in Kansas, which preaches that every word in the Bible is literally true, are some of America's most fanatical Christian fundamentalists. Bearing ‘God Hates Fags’ and ‘God Hates America’ placards, they cheerfully picket the funerals of US soldiers killed in Iraq, and delight in provoking outrage among both liberals and patriots.

Programme-makers in America and Britain have repeatedly tried to expose their beliefs as anti-Christian, but these attempts have failed. In Channel 4’s investigation, Keith Allen takes a smarter, more streetwise approach. During three extraordinary days at Westboro, Keith reveals more about the church than other television programmes have unearthed in three months.

In interviews that are hilarious, infuriating and compelling, he forensically exposes the curious mixture of hatred and jollity that underpins their faith. Using all his journalistic skills and instincts, he scavenges for information in local bars and discovers a secret about the church's chief spokesperson, Shirley Phelps-Roper. Shirley confesses her ‘sin’ on camera, making a memorable climax to a programme that exposes the hypocrisy of this bizarre, fundamentalist sect.


Shirley had one of her children out of wedlock - yet she thinks she is going to Heaven - how does that work when anyone else that did this is going to hell? I missed the first 20 minutes but it was again sickening but insanely interesting at the same time.


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« Reply #29 on: June 22, 2007, 01:53:51 pm »
Shirley had one of her children out of wedlock - yet she thinks she is going to Heaven - how does that work when anyone else that did this is going to hell? I missed the first 20 minutes but it was again sickening but insanely interesting at the same time.
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« Reply #30 on: June 22, 2007, 02:48:01 pm »
Did Fred Phelps eat paint chips as a child?
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« Reply #31 on: June 22, 2007, 02:56:57 pm »
I think he was abducted by aliens and brainwashed - that surely can be the ONLY reasoning behind the nonsense!?!
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« Reply #32 on: June 22, 2007, 03:54:24 pm »
I think he was abducted by aliens and brainwashed - that surely can be the ONLY reasoning behind the nonsense!?!

Unless he IS an alien and got dropped off here by the Mother Ship because he was too nutso for his home planet. ...
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Re: Fred Phelps
« Reply #33 on: June 22, 2007, 04:39:53 pm »
aha! NOW Scientology makes sense!
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Re: Fred Phelps
« Reply #34 on: November 21, 2008, 12:52:38 pm »
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

Yikes, we just got an email warning to all staff from our chief of security at work that Phelps and the Westboro Baptist church will be protesting next Tuesday at a funeral for PA's lt.governor Catherine Baker Knoll.  She will be having a funeral in a church near to my work.  I'm so freaked out about this.

This is what his email says:

"Two events will be occurring next Tuesday that may create traffic disruptions ---.  At noon there will be a funeral for Catherine Baker Knoll at ---. This will entail having much of the area blocked off ... with political representatives and other dignitaries present, as well as a procession with a riderless horse. 

Building up to and during the event a protest is scheduled at --- by the Westboro Baptist Church, which is officially classified as a hate group.  This is the group that pickets funerals of police officers, soldiers and others, claiming that their deaths are God’s wrath for society’s tolerance of homosexuals.

Please be aware of the disruption of traffic and the possibility of an unpleasant encounter with these protesters if your travels lead you to their location.  It may be wise to avoid the area."



Again, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!  I may call in sick on Tuesday.  I don't want to be anywhere near this.  And, I feel so terrible for the people attending the funeral.  How awful to have to deal with a hate group like this (as with any funeral that's disrupted by this awful group).

I'm glad that he sent this warning, and I'm also glad that he noted that the group is considered a hate group.

Yikes!



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Re: Fred Phelps
« Reply #35 on: November 21, 2008, 03:04:33 pm »
OR you could do this...


http://www.eatromaine.com/angel_action/angelaction.html

(I'm not sure I wouldn't get charged with Breach of the Peace if he walked by.. I think all my better senses would make me try to break his arm or worse)
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Re: Fred Phelps
« Reply #36 on: November 21, 2008, 03:24:26 pm »
OR you could do this...


http://www.eatromaine.com/angel_action/angelaction.html

(I'm not sure I wouldn't get charged with Breach of the Peace if he walked by.. I think all my better senses would make me try to break his arm or worse)




Kelda, I was just going to post about Angel Action.

I learned about them when I watched one of the Matthew Sheppard movies.  Such courage Romaine had!


Tell him when l come up to him and ask to play the record, l'm gonna say: ''Voulez-vous jouer ce disque?''
'Voulez-vous, will you kiss my dick?'
Will you play my record? One-track mind!