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What would it take to help Ennis be OK about himself?
loneleeb3:
Well, here I go. This thread hits real close to home for me.
I can relate to Ennis so Much because we are so alike in our understanding and acceptance of ourselves.
I agree with the train of thought that by the end Ennis was coming to grips with everything but didn't know what to do with it all. I still don't think he could think of himself as "queer" but knew he loved Jack and somehow in his mind had a different rationalization for their relationship.
I don't know if I am explaining this right. For me, it's somthing I have struggled with all my life. Only now am I just coming to be able to even go there. I think Ennis, like myself, had two selves. The Ennis that he was around Jack and the Ennis the rest of the world saw and never the twain shall meet. Towards the end I think they were coming together But I don't know that Ennis could ever see himself or accept himself as a homosexual.
Having a set of so called "values" drilled into your skull from a young age is somthing that becomes so ingrained it's hard to change. I'm not sure if he (or I) can /could ever completely shake it off.
In answer to the original question, I don't think Ennis could ever be completely ok with himself. I think he could and would have gotten better about it, but I don't think he'd ever be as comfortable in his own skin as Jack was.
As for OMT, he was a mean son of a whoreson bitch. He didn't accept Jack and he sure as hell didn't accept Ennis.
He was trying to hurt him by telling him about the "other guy". I do agree that Mrs Twist Knew and loved Ennis because her son loved Ennis and Ennis loved Jack.
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: loneleeb3 on June 06, 2007, 03:41:32 pm ---As for OMT, he was a mean son of a whoreson bitch. He didn't accept Jack and he sure as hell didn't accept Ennis.
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Friend, thanks for that.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on June 06, 2007, 06:37:14 pm ---
--- Quote from: loneleeb3 on June 06, 2007, 03:41:32 pm ---As for OMT, he was a mean son of a whoreson bitch. He didn't accept Jack and he sure as hell didn't accept Ennis.
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Friend, thanks for that.
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I agree with it, too! Yay!
:D
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: ineedcrayons on June 06, 2007, 06:42:13 pm ---Friend, thanks for that.
I agree with it, too! Yay!
:D
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Hunh? ???
I don't understand how you can agree with that--the comment being that John Twist was "a mean son of a whoreson bitch" who "didn't accept Jack" and "sure as hell didn't accept Ennis"-- when you also say that John Twist showed "an acceptance and understanding of their relationship"? ???
Actually, I just wish I could understand why you are so determined--or feel such a need?--to exonerate John Twist of homophobia. ???
Front-Ranger:
My feeling is that Old Man Twist is just about the most hate-filled man I've ever encountered. He's not only homophobic, he's humanophobic. He expresses his hate and wreaks damage in an indirect way. His words mean much more than they indicate on the surface. His first words are "I know where Brokeback Mountain is." The expression is filled with knowing and hate. He is even hateful to his wife who is a saint. I think he hates her BECAUSE she is so good. He despises her for staying with him through the years, because there is no one he hates more than himself. And he hates her because of her love of her only child.
When he leads Ennis through the review of Jack's life, he builds him up, and Ennis follows along with a little smile. And then he crushes him down. Old Man Twist knows that you can do so much more damage with a few well-chosen words than you could ever do with fists.
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