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Gender, sexual orientation and power
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: ineedcrayons on June 23, 2007, 10:26:43 pm ---What's weird is that even Western women are not as free as we like to think. Women in this country, for example, theoretically have choices and freedom and legal protection. And those who are determined usually can exercise them. But there is STILL a lot of pressure on women to take on traditional domestic roles, and even educated, successful, ambitious feminists feel it -- particularly if they have children.
Somehow, it's still mostly women who abandon careers to stay home with the kids, effectively supporting their husband's advancing careers with their own unpaid labor. And even women who continue in their careers after having children, surveys indicate, still wind up doing the lion's share of domestic work.
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Exactly right. Women are free-er, but not completely so. Want a great example? Try Hillary Rodham. Graduated top of her law school class - ahead of her husband to be - was a successful lawyer, made more money than her husband, but when he ran for president of the U.S., she actually had to take his name and tell the world that no, no, she really did like to bake cookies. :P
So much for women's freedom in the States.
For a more personal POV? My fiance was all for my working, all for my higher education, until he heard I was going to keep my maiden name when we got married.
He hit the roof.
He didn't even want me to hyphenate my name. It was his name or nothing. I chose nothing. We didn't get married.
I started asking that question of many men and I found very very few men who want their wives to keep their own names. They always use children as the excuse, but I counter that since women bear the children, 85 times out of 100 she does all the early childcare and rearing, that perhaps it would be easier for the husband to take the wife's name!
They never think this is logical or a good idea.
So their reasoning has nothing to do with logic and everything to do with the idea of title and ownership and leadership.
One of my fundamentalist conservative friends said that it was the man's responsibility to protect, instruct and shepherd his family down the 'right' path. I suggested that perhaps the wives might prefer a partner in their marriage and not a shepherd.
Clyde-B:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on June 24, 2007, 01:05:08 am ---
So their reasoning has nothing to do with logic and everything to do with the idea of title and ownership and leadership.
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Yes!
In order to start controlling what is going on, it's necessary to understand what is really going on.
And power and control is what it's all about.
Ellemeno:
--- Quote from: Clyde-B on June 24, 2007, 01:45:30 am ---
And power and control is what it's all about.
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But what about the hokey pokey? ???
Clyde-B:
--- Quote from: Ellemeno on June 25, 2007, 02:57:58 am ---
But what about the hokey pokey? ???
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Well of course that too!!! :laugh:
loneleeb3:
--- Quote from: Ellemeno on June 25, 2007, 02:57:58 am ---
But what about the hokey pokey? ???
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You so silly! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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