Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by Santinos_Bridesmade (Tue Aug 15 2006 07:40:03 )
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Here's a bit of this/that.......fanfiction!! I usually don't like fanfiction, but I'm loving this one!
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3047182/1/ It's an AU fanfic. After reuniting, Jack and Ennis divorce their wives and move in together, and they raise Bobby on their own. Everyone stays in character and it's all very believable. I highly recommend it. And this as well:
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3083725/1/ Ennis gets granted a second chance with Jack. I like it so far.
"Jack, I swear...."
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by Santinos_Bridesmade (Tue Aug 15 2006 08:13:21 )
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[Observation]
Ennis is so defensive/protective, always trying to be a tough guy. During the second tent scene, he gave into Jack, making it clear that he truly needed him, that he needed to be held and kissed like that. During the lasso scene, when he gets a nosebleed and Jack is trying to comfort him, Ennis makes it clear that he doesn't want or need Jack's sympathy.
The fourth of July picnic. When those biker dudes were being @ssholes, insulting him and his family, he didn't hesitate to beat them to a pulp. I love how protective he is of Alma and the girls.
Then the Thanksgiving dinner, when Alma reveals that she knew about him and Jack, Ennis could barely contain himself when she insulted Jack. Ennis reacted out of fear that Alma would tell someone and word would get around and Jack would get lynched. When he gripped Alma's arm and raised his fist, he was telling her, "Keep your mouth shut, you don't know Jack, and you have no idea what we've been through, keeping us a secret all these years...." Fortunately he was sensible enough to leave the house before he hit her. He went out and vented his rage on a random guy. He knew he wouldn't forgive himself if he hit Alma, even if it was for Jack.
Come to think of it....he didn't hesitate to punch Jack, but he managed to restain himself from hitting Alma. Ennis has a tendency to hurt only the ones he cares about most. Maybe he learned from Jack - he regretted hitting Jack, so he knew he'd regret hitting Alma. Wow. His character growth is so gradual and so subtle that it's barely noticable.
"Jack, I swear...."
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by HeathandMichelle (Thu Aug 17 2006 12:18:22 )
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When Alma was waiting for Ennis to return after the motel scene, there are two items on the table. One a Phallic symbol and a small empty cup.
Santinos, hitting a man is much different than hitting a women. Comparing them is ridiculous.
Is the salt shaker the phallic symbol?
by toycoon (Thu Aug 17 2006 19:27:07 )
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Does the empty cup represent the way Alma feels?
Something New
by idgeet (Thu Aug 17 2006 22:59:56 )
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i'm watching the film right now... and i noticed something that's kinda cute. if you watch jack and ennis walking to the bar... they are walking in perfect unison. i have no idea if it means something...but it's kinda adorable.
the screenplay specificall states that ennis follows jack. the wording goes like this:
JACK and ENNIS walk down Signal's main street, headed for the bar. JACK leads the way.
i found it kinda interesting that it would state it that way... jack leading the way...
"...later."
Re: Something New
by idgeet (Thu Aug 17 2006 23:12:48 )
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have you ever really watched the look on jack's face that first night away from the camp? at first, i thought it was just a small glance. but now, after watching it a couple of times, i've come to the conclusion that jack is already pretty smitten. it looks as if he's aready thinking, hmmmm, i like that ennis. it's a kind of far away look. it's kinda sweet.
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Re: Something New
by idgeet (Fri Aug 18 2006 17:16:54 )
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But notice also that Jack walks on the inside of the posts while Ennis walks on the outside of the posts.
i never did notice that one. thanks. what do you think it means, if anything?
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Re: Something New
by idgeet (Fri Aug 18 2006 19:23:39 )
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oooooh. i like that! thanks basicgrate.
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basicgrate, this has made me especially sad today...
by toycoon (Sat Aug 19 2006 10:53:11 )
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Alma looking all perky, waiting to meet this old friend of her husband, probably happy that her husband actually has a friend... then WHAM! Her whole life changes in an instant.
I suppose that is why Alma stayed silent for 15 years. It has taken her that long to process the information.
Re: Something New
by idgeet (Sat Aug 19 2006 12:18:11 )
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thanks basicgrate.
i'm watching right now... and i came across the scene by the fire. i was just a smiling big, when ennis made his comment about thanking god he didn't bring the harmonica. i always smile at that moment and i love the smile on ennis' face and his little wink. but like you said, then it got sad....
jack wanting a sweet life with ennis and ennis nipping that one in the bud. poor jack.
but i also noticed jack's expression the moment before he said something. it looked like he had to muster up some courage before speaking. he really put himself out there again, didn't he? i love that about jack.
"...later."
Re: Something New
by idgeet (Sat Aug 19 2006 14:12:32 )
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did you know that the shirts were auctioned off this year and the person payed more than $100,000 for them?? they said it was like the "ruby slippers" of this generation.
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Re: Something New
by matt-2044 (Sat Aug 19 2006 15:15:26 )
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Wow.
Would love to have that sort of money to bid for them.
Would have certainly done so.
Imagine each time you open your own closet and having those shirts entwined together on a hanger.
Wow
Re: Something New
by idgeet (Sat Aug 19 2006 15:26:36 )
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Imagine each time you open your own closet and having those shirts entwined together on a hanger.
that would be phenomenal. i almost can't imagine it.
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Re: Something New
by matt-2044 (Sat Aug 19 2006 15:55:27 )
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I'm trying not to but each time I think of it.....
....damn, tears again.
Re: Something New
by daphne7661 (Sun Aug 20 2006 07:08:01 )
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Ya know something, basicgrate, you have just helped explain to me why this movie has affected me so. Aside from the genious of this film, and its acting and directing and photography, for personal reasons, many of us here and elsewhere who have been bitten by the BBM Bug and been so overwhelmed by it try to figure out just "why" we, individually, are so moved.
Well, for me, I think I just got it. Moments of sheer delight and happiness followed by disappointment and devastating decisions which swiftly quell that delight! That has been an everpresent overcast in my life...
Thank you!
...Nice to know ya, Ennis del Mar...
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Re: Something New
by idgeet (Mon Aug 21 2006 17:28:18 )
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i never understood the folks that say this movie is slow paced or boring or both. it's not an action film... this movie and even this board has kept my attention longer than any other film... ever. and i love movies. big time.
i actually wished the movie would keep going. i didn't want it to end. and of course, i wanted more of the summer of '63. i just wanted more of ennis and jack together. i forgot i was watching a film. i felt like i was there with them.
i know.. corny. what can i say?? i'm a sap.
"...later."
Re: Something New
by CowboysInLove (Tue Aug 22 2006 18:53:47 )
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idgeet: I SENT YOU A PRIVATE MESSAGE!!!!
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by CowboysInLove (Sat Aug 26 2006 19:55:51 )
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Have to save this one!
I was reading this thread and the "where's Waldo" is pretty funny. I actually thought of that too.
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by Santinos_Bridesmade (Mon Aug 28 2006 15:45:49 )
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worth bumping
Does anyone else giggle like mad during Ennis's nude scene? The look on Jack's face is just adorable! It's as if he's thinking, Don't look, don't look, don't turn around....take a deep breath....get your mind outta the gutter...count to ten... And then he sort of shifts his position, as if squirming to conceal a boner.
"The bitterest tears shed over graves are for words left unsaid and deeds left undone."
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by idgeet (Mon Aug 28 2006 20:58:14 )
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yes, too funny... santinos!
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Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by Santinos_Bridesmade (Wed Sep 6 2006 14:35:44 )
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Ears!! Cheek!!
Reunion kiss!! Jack holds Ennis's head and Ennis's ear is in-between Jack's fingers!! As they're kissing, Ennis strokes Jack's cheek, then holds his ear. When Jack opens his eyes and clenches his hand before kissing Ennis back, he seems to grab Ennis by the ears!!
Later, after Ennis tells Jack about Earl and Rich, Jack reaches over and pulls Ennis's ear, then strokes his cheek!!
Ears!! Ears, then cheek! Cheek, then ears!!
"The bitterest tears shed over graves are for words left unsaid and deeds left undone."
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by CowboysInLove (Fri Sep 8 2006 23:23:42 )
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One of the best threads. Hey Idgeet!!
Bumping
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Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by skessa (Wed Oct 4 2006 23:11:56 )
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bump for later
i'm a non-native speaker. if you find my language awkward – send me a private message!
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by idgeet (Tue Oct 17 2006 02:03:22 )
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hello all....
thanks cowboy for the compliment. i'm actually bumping my own thread!
"...later."
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by malina-5 (Tue Oct 17 2006 02:24:36 )
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Hi idgeet! How's it going?
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by littlewing1957 (Tue Oct 17 2006 08:25:29 )
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<<hello all....>>
Idgeet, it is so good to see you here! I've missed you, girl! What's happening?
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by daphne7661 (Tue Oct 17 2006 08:30:41 )
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Idgeet!!! Are you back?
...Nice to know ya, Ennis del Mar...
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by idgeet (Tue Oct 17 2006 23:30:02 )
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yea... you could say i'm back. i'm doing good. i'm working alot... and my mom's condo just sold, so in about a month i'm gonna move out of horrible texas!
i kinda got addicted to another movie, temporily... but it's out of my system and i'm back to our boys... ennis and jack.
if you're wondering... the other movie is "the departed." i must say it's an excellent flick. anyone else think so?
nice to "see" ya all!!!
"...later."
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by daphne7661 (Wed Oct 18 2006 05:38:55 )
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Well, nice to see you back here, idgeet!
I saw "The Departed" as well. Excellent!! And it was shot here in my hometown (Boston). I remember seeing all of the cast and crew all around town filming last year. It was exciting around here for awhile.
I only saw it once, but I was riveted. I did, however, manage to miss a couple of things and need to see it again.
I was very excited about Leonardo's performance! I thought he was the best and deserves an Oscar nod - he was extremely natural in this role, showing excellent emotional depth....
Well, hope to see around here again soon.... We've missed you!!!
Daphne
...Nice to know ya, Ennis del Mar...
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by ka_baerchen (Wed Oct 18 2006 04:29:32 )
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very interesting analysis...
I'm adding two very important scenes where you can actually see the strong feelings Ennis has towards Jack. (to contradict the somehow universalized assessment that Ennis is not completely gay...)
Before the reunion, when Ennis is super nervous to finally meet Jack again. I mean, you never ever see that generally collected calm person to show this emotionally outside.
I really love the scene when you can hear the car outside and Ennis moves quickly to the window while the camera captures the impish, full of expectation smile on his face, you never see this kind of joyful expression of Ennis again in the entire movie, even if he is together with Jack and nobody can see them he is kind of collected...
And of course the big talk where Jack admits the Mexico visit. Ennis is completly in anger, the overall reactions he developes in emotional situations that he can't handle (4th of July scene).
Here you can clearly see that Ennis really loves Jack, not just caring or feeling for him, but unreserved love. He is ok with Jack living with his wife and son, but completly pissed about Jack making out with other guys.
I also think, Ang Lee intended Jack to admitting it with very intention and planning to tell Ennis, in case he was repelling again towards Jack (Jack always revealed how much he loves Ennis and that he can't live without him and Ennis never responded accordingly), to have the final insight into how much Ennis actually loves him.
Two great scenes!
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Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by jaaguir (Fri Nov 3 2006 10:43:41 )
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OK, my two cents:
Aguirre is a spanish name, yes. I ought to know more about this because it's my own last name (I live in Spain, hence my bad english), but I never thought much about it. I think it's originary from right were I live, Basque country, which is on Spain's north coast. There are plenty of sheep here too.
The character on the movie called 'the basque' was surely one of the many men that emigrated from here to all of the American continent along the twentieth century. He is shown with a funny accent so he must be a relatively recent inmigrant.
But the Joe Aguirre character must be a second generation basque inmigrant (like son of one of the many men who went there around the spanish civil war in the thirties).
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by True_Oracle_of_Phoenix (Fri Nov 3 2006 11:13:58 )
jaaguir,
I appreciate your taking time to share your insight into basque cultural component to this film.
Also, in the back of my mind (from Spanish classes I took long ago), I vaguely remembered Aguirre was a "bird name" but I had forgotten it meant "eagle".
(By the way, your English is quite fine. Much better than my Spanish...)
Muchas gracias!
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by Shasta254 (Fri Nov 3 2006 19:41:38 )
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I think the reason Ennis and Jack don't talk before going into the trailer is that Ennis thinks only one guy is going to get hired. He doesn't want to be too friendly to someone whose job he may be taking. I think Jack would've talked to Ennis anyway if Ennis had given him any opening. Ennis maybe saw Jack as competition for a job that he really needed.
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by jaaguir (Sat Nov 4 2006 04:17:08 )
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Hi True
First, thanks for answering.
Actually 'eagle' is said 'águila' in spanish. I don't want to bore you, but the thing is here in the Basque country we have our own language, which is older than latin and has nothing to do with it, unlike spanish, which is a derivation from roman latin. In fact it's not known where the basque language comes from.
I just looked this up on the internet (I guess I should be ashamed I didn't do it before), but it seems 'Aguirre' is an old basque word that is not used in today's basque language (therefore I didn't know it had a meaning), and was used to refer to the highest point in the hills from where you could watch the entire sorrounding area. Many houses were built in those places (I'm talking like year 800 a.c.), and the houses were called like that.
It's quite striking that Aguirre watches the boys with binoculars from a place similar to that, and it's also a person with power over their lifes, like he's in a place 'higher' than them. Maybe Annie Proulx did some research.
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by ClancyPantsNasty (Sat Nov 4 2006 06:06:21 )
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Hi jaaguir --
I have seen both of your posts on this subject. Thank you for them. They provide a lot of good background information. I have studied the Basque language development and it is fascinating. As you said, researchers have been unable to determine its origins. It is, by the way, a very beautiful language.
"Maybe Annie Proulx did some research."
Yes. In fact, she did a lot of research including determining exactly what kinds of rocks and plants are present in the various locations she describes. I also believe she chose the names for her characters symbolically. As you said, Aguirre's name seems to fit him. As does Ennis' name: Ennis Del Mar -- Island of (or in) the Sea. And Jack Twist -- twist descriptive of the thigh and buttocks muscles developed by a bronc rider. Alma means "soul" and it seems appropriate for her as she was a mirror reflecting Ennis' soul and she provided the "home" in their home. Lureen means "pale faced, bleached out, cold-as-ice stone heart" in ancient Mayan. (OK, I made the last one up. Just a little levity...)
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by latjoreme (Sat Nov 4 2006 07:43:11 )
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Hi idgeet and Daphne,
I was very excited about Leonardo's performance! I thought he was the best and deserves an Oscar nod - he was extremely natural in this role, showing excellent emotional depth....
I saw "The Departed" and liked it, too. And Daphne, I agree with you. I thought Leonardo's performance was the best thing in the movie. Everybody was good: Matt Damon and Mark Wahlberg and Vera Farmiga (whom I'd never seen before) and other people, too. And Jack Nicholson was entertaining. But, crazy as this might sound, I thought Leo was better than Jack.
(I've thought Leo was a great actor since "Gilbert Grape," but lately had kind of lost interest in him, until now.)
'Lureen', may refer to a 'lure'...
by toycoon (Sat Nov 4 2006 10:21:54 )
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1. In angling, a decoy for animals; an artificial bait.
2. Anything that invites by the prospect of advantage or pleasure.
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by jaaguir (Mon Nov 6 2006 06:00:13 )
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Hahaha... I bet all Lureen fans out there enjoyed your little joke...
Eskerrik asko.
And I think toycoon might be right about Lureen.
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by idgeet (Mon Nov 6 2006 23:45:04 )
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just saying hi... i can't believe this thread's still going strong. i think it is fabulous.
hey daphne... i moved to boston in 2001 and was there thru 2004. i love that city. and i very much enjoyed watching boston as a character in the departed.
leo did do an outstanding job... but i think mark wahlberg stole the show in each of his scenes.
and jag... i'm castilian!
"...later."
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by jaaguir (Tue Nov 7 2006 09:59:14 )
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<< and jag... i'm castilian! >>
Well, that's a surprise. OK, suddenly now I feel SO stupid writing in english. But I guess as long as this are public posts we should write in english, I don't know.
It's nice that there are more spanish people taking part in this board. I think I'm going to read some of your posts if I have the time, and check out what's your take on brokeback... haha.
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by toycoon (Tue Nov 7 2006 14:55:58 )
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Hola jaaguir,
I love Spain. I want to retire to Barcelona when I'm ready. I'm only 44 years old but I'd like to retire while I'm still (somewhat) young.
How does the general Spanish public feel about Brokeback Mountain? The Spanish can be rather consevative when it comes to sexual matters.
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by idgeet (Tue Nov 7 2006 22:25:02 )
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i'm castilian...but didn't live with my father... so don't know spanish. sorry.
"...later."
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by jaaguir (Wed Nov 8 2006 10:09:29 )
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I'm not sure I'm the right person to answer that properly as I've been somewhat isolated the last couple of years and maybe I didn't get the general public's feel. But I think it's very similar to other places.
When it was released there was a big fuss on tv news and all that. Just like everywhere else, I guess.
I know there are spanish 'brokeaholics', though I know none personally and don't know of spanish long-lasting brokeback devoted boards like this one or bettermost. And of course there are also people who are indifferent, or were bored, or worse.
I remember reading on this board a lot of posts about people in the USA being afraid of going to the movie theaters, or that drove for hours to watch it on another town or another neighbourhood. Well, if anything is different here, I guess that could be one of the things. I think that above all the hype or the social implications, here people see the movie mainly as just another movie, and everything about it has been like more "normalized" or "less hysterical", if I may say that. As I said there was some fuss about the release, but afterwards I think the social impact has been like 10% compared to the USA, with all the editorials and. After all gay people can marry legally here since the previous summer (or was it the summer before to that, I'm not sure now).
This is how I see it but I may be wrong.
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by toycoon (Thu Nov 9 2006 07:16:17 )
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Gay people can marry legally here since the previous summer
I didn't know that. Sheee-it! We're goin' to Spain to get married then.
I'm Cuban-American. I am fluent in Spanish but I don't read or write Spanish as well as I can speak it.
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by jaaguir (Thu Nov 9 2006 11:34:34 )
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Yeah, it's marriage with exactly all the same legal, fiscal, etc. rights as hetero marriage. The right wing politicians didn't want it to be called 'marriage' because that's only for hetero couplings, they said... I think they appealed against the law in the highest court (Constitutional court)but there's no big chance of anything wrong happening. Thousands of marriages have been celebrated already, some of them with big media coverage. The last one was between two privates, from the army.
Spain is different! hahaha. (I think that was a tourist slogan long ago, and became like a humorous catch phrase.
I hope you can retire and marry too!
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by Shasta254 (Thu Nov 23 2006 07:01:20 )
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Can someone give me the 2 cents on why--after they made camp, why did they move and make camp again?
Also---what did the camp-tender do all day? Did the camp-tender get his chores done and then go help the herder with the sheep?
If the camp-tender stayed in camp all day, then I think that the herder should get more $$.
"Gettin' tired of your dumbass missin'!"
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by daphne7661 (Thu Nov 23 2006 07:07:42 )
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I'm a city girl, but I would think that sheep need new pasture in which to graze, no? Moving the camp involves moving the sheep and giving them fresh grazing ground? I don't know.
There appears to be lots to do in camp. Keeping a fire burning requires lots attention and stoking, and LOTS of wood and, therefore, lots of wood chopping, cooking, cleaning dishes, keeping clothes clean since there appears to only be two of everything, keeping an inventory of the food and supplies they need, picking them up (though that is only once a week it seems), tending to the animals, etc.
I guess if the camp tender finishes all that, he could go and help the herder.
...Nice to know ya, Ennis del Mar...
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by ClancyPantsNasty (Thu Nov 23 2006 07:18:27 )
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Hi daphne7661 and ailuro --
Agreed. Very good posts.
I would add one thing... both the change of jobs and the moving of the sheep (and, the bringing down early of the sheep) are used to usher in and exemplify the changes that occur in their relationship at crucial moments. From a literary analysis perspective, they are devices for change or shift on a greater scale.
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by daphne7661 (Thu Nov 23 2006 07:22:27 )
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both the change of jobs and the moving of the sheep (and, the bringing down early of the sheep) are used to usher in and exemplify the changes that occur in their relationship at crucial moments. From a literary analysis perspective, they are devices for change or shift on a greater scale.
YES!!! Thanks for adding that, Clancy!!
...Nice to know ya, Ennis del Mar...
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by ClancyPantsNasty (Thu Nov 23 2006 07:28:23 )
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Hi daphne7661 --
It's sort of like... gravy with mashed potatoes on Thanksgiving, huh?
Have a Happy Thanksgiving. Watch out for trolls, keep the TV off, avoid discussions in the kitchen, and DO NOT go to a bar afterward unless you don't have to cross the street!
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by daphne7661 (Thu Nov 23 2006 07:30:48 )
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Luv ya, Clancy! I will definitely heed your advice.
Have a great Thanksgiving Day!!!!
...Nice to know ya, Ennis del Mar...
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by ailuro (Thu Nov 23 2006 07:15:21 )
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Morning Shasta.
I'll try to answer your questions. Anyone may chime in if I'm in error.
I believe they relocated camp so the sheep would have fresh pasture. A thousand sheep can eat a great deal.
As for the camp tender, I think his job would be to cook, tend the horses & mules, wash clothes, as we saw Jack do, pick up provisions, etc. I'd suppose he'd ride out to the herder on occasion, just for company.
I agree about the herder deserving of more pay. That's a rough job.
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by ailuro (Thu Nov 23 2006 07:18:10 )
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Dang Daphne7661, our replies are very simular.
I think we're both correct!
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by daphne7661 (Thu Nov 23 2006 07:20:50 )
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I know!!! They were almost identical, weren't they ailuro?
...Nice to know ya, Ennis del Mar...
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by Shasta254 (Thu Nov 23 2006 08:21:40 )
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Thank you guys. I kind of thought about the sheep needing to move to fresh pasture, but thought they could just move "around" not farther away from the camp. You know--move from north to east or something. But what ya'll said makes sense.
Yeah, Ailuro---negotiate higher pay for the herder---he doesn't get much sleep you know---and he has to commute to boot!!
"Gettin' tired of your dumbass missin'!"
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by malina-5 (Thu Nov 23 2006 08:59:10 )
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The short story mentions the move:
"The summer went on and they moved the herd to new pasture, shifted the camp; the distance between the sheep and the new camp was greater and the night ride longer."
Happy Thanksgiving to all of my south-of-the-border friends! I think Clancy's post ('avoid conversations in the kitchen' etc.) would make a terrific Thanksgiving Day greeting card... maybe with a shot of Monroe's electric knife slicing through that poor bird for the picture, and then on the back, a tiny shot of J + E (heads only) from the movie poster, and the caption 'I know where Brokeback Mountain is."
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by Shasta254 (Thu Nov 23 2006 19:09:45 )
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OK---Here is another 2 cent question. Right before TS2---where the boys are on a hillside; you know the "I'm not queer--Me neither" speech. There are sheep there. Did Jack go and join Ennis at the herd? If Ennis has come back to camp for supper, the sheep wouldn't be there, would they? So did Jack go out to help him. Maybe he went out to see where he stood with Ennis. What do ya'll think?
"Gettin' tired of your dumbass missin'!"
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by daphne7661 (Thu Nov 23 2006 19:35:31 )
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Yes, Jack went up to Ennis and the sheep, and, IMO, I think that, Jack being Jack, he made the move to see where he stood with Ennis, yes.
I know that if I were Jack, I would have been going crazy all day thinking about it....
...Nice to know ya, Ennis del Mar...
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by Shasta254 (Fri Nov 24 2006 03:54:14 )
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OK---Thank you Daphne. That is yet another mystery solved for me after watching time and time again. It's so cool to see something different every time I watch. I am glad that Jack went up there.
"Gettin' tired of your dumbass missin'!"
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by idgeet (Fri Nov 24 2006 17:47:29 )
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hope ya'll had a fabulous thanksgiving...
isn't this the weekend our film begins showing on hbo?
"...later."
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by daphne7661 (Fri Nov 24 2006 17:52:21 )
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Hey idgeet! Happy Thanksgiving!
Sunday night I think! I don't have HBO, but that's ok...
I guess we'd better get ready for some 's
...Nice to know ya, Ennis del Mar...
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by mutton-5 (Fri Nov 24 2006 19:42:07 )
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in 1982 i wrote a letter to idaho state chamber of commerce for information on shepherding there, which i had heard they needed shepherds. i wanted to go do that back then (i was 32, did not get a reply). in the movie, i was surprised that the camp and the sheep were so far apart. i do not see the reason for this. if it was my design, i would have the 2 guys work together, with the camp within sight of the sheep, or very close nearby. sharing the workload. equally protecting the sheep. that is the main work. all else is secondary to the safety and the wellbeing of the sheep. i think the camp tender in brokeback had a long boring day of it. i wonder if in the real world, one camp tender had a few shepherds to cook for? course, i did not go to idaho and do shepherding, so i really don't know how it is done on the open range in real life. but it's a great question, and i have wondered too.
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by idgeet (Sun Nov 26 2006 12:18:49 )
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i think it may be colder up higher where the sheep graze. remember how much snow was up there when jack slept up there? then when he came down, there wasn't much there? maybe it's for comfort?
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Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by Shasta254 (Tue Nov 28 2006 20:39:09 )
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When it snowed and Ennis was running around outside---was he looking for his horse?
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Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by malina-5 (Wed Nov 29 2006 00:33:09 )
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<<When it snowed and Ennis was running around outside---was he looking for his horse? >>
I think he was just stomping around trying to get warm... I think it must've been wicked cold in that pup tent, all open at the sides and no ground sheet.. and no Jack to cuddle with..
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by idgeet (Thu Nov 30 2006 02:41:42 )
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i'm watching right now and i have a new observaton...
i watched closely the scene were jake just shows up after the divorce. and i really thin ennis immediately regreted sending jack away. he looks so disappointed at himself as jack drove away. i think he pushed jack away... but inside he was torn to pieces. wanting jack.. but not allowing himself any satisfaction.
so very tragic.
"...later."
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by idgeet (Thu Nov 30 2006 03:20:06 )
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i'm really emotional about the movie today...
watching it right now.. and it's kinda depressing me.
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Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by Shasta254 (Tue Dec 26 2006 02:22:50 )
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Ennis was swaying with the two shirts in the closet. I'm sure he was remembering the scene we saw.
Bump.
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Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by idgeet (Tue Dec 26 2006 07:08:49 )
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that's a new one for me... thanks... i'll have to watch out for that...
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Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by Shasta254 (Tue Dec 26 2006 10:51:22 )
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There's nothing new on this one... I think Jack was blown away by the reunion kiss. His mouth is hanging open after the kiss like OMG, I wanted it, didn't think it would happen, but loving it kiss. Then when Ennis mumbles, "later", my breath is taken away.
I think this too.
But later in the motel, Jack says that he knew they would get into this again. I think he was surprised at the fact that it was Ennis who initiated it---and so passionately---right there in broad daylight--even tho he was expecting them to be intimate. It was great--I felt like cheering. And crying--for joy.
"Gettin' tired of your dumbass missin'!"
Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by darkoKnight33 (Tue Jan 2 2007 23:07:45 )
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Re: My 2 cents on ...This and That
by TrollHammer (Wed Jan 3 2007 17:25:44 )
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bump
wanna know why I pick now to bump this thread?
PM me if you're not a troll