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TOTW 16/07: Did Alma Jr. know Ennis was gay?
southendmd:
--- Quote from: Katie77 on December 04, 2007, 05:33:46 pm ---I think Alma was genuine in her caring for Ennis, and her comment about "me and the girls worry about you", was a gesture of that.
Then he let go with the "once burned" comment, which was like putting condemnation and blame on her.....and that was, I think, the straw that broke the camels back with Alma, as far as taking any of the blame for the marriage not working.She probably thought....."ok, enoughs enough, Im gonna let him know who and what did cause our marriage to disintegrate"......
Up until the time she spat out the "Jack Nasty" words, Ennis did not have any idea that Alma had had any suspicions about Jack, he thought he had got away with all of it, without her knowing anything, and he knew that everything she was saying to him was true. She was not only letting him know that she was aware that his "fishing trips" were a lie, she was telling him that she knew that Jack was more than just a fishing buddy to him.
The fact that she had held all that in for so long, is testement to her good nature....and also, I think she would have been afraid to confront him with it, while they were still married, because of his temper....the time had come, he lit the fuse with the "once burned" comment, and she exploded with the "Jack Nasty" one.........
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Yes, Katie, I like what you say. From Alma's point of view, Jack was indeed the cause of their failed marriage, and she held it in for close to ten years.
I think Annie said something about the wives' learning some "pretty tough lessons about life", as a result of this love between Jack and Ennis.
southendmd:
Katherine, I was also thinking about that old phrase "confirmed bachelor", along with "not the marrying kind", as polite euphemisms for "suspiciously gay".
It reminds me of hearing the news about Rock Hudson and HIV. I recall my mother saying that it must have been from a transfusion. (At least she didn't say from a toilet seat LOL). I remember (boldly) saying, "Well, that's a bit naive, isn't it?"
In other words, "polite" folks didn't assume people--especially famous people, or those they actually knew--were gay.
Katie77:
This is off subject......but Southendmd......I do love your signature clips...........watch them over and over again......
southendmd:
--- Quote from: Katie77 on December 04, 2007, 06:50:25 pm ---This is off subject......but Southendmd......I do love your signature clips...........watch them over and over again......
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They are kind of mesmerizing...
On dial-up, they're often in slow-motion!
Artiste:
Thanks ineedcrayons!
You say this: At that point, Alma Jr. may not know WHY he isn't the marryin kind, though. It seems to me that nowadays, when we look back on what in those days they'd call "confirmed bachelors" and the like, we now kind of assume that many of them were probably gay. But back while those days were still happening, the idea that they were gay probably didn't cross as many straight people's minds, and they just assumed they were men who preferred living alone. Does that make sense? And do those with a longer view of gay history agree?
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May I say that you bring up a real good subject, indeed!! Could that be that too to-day??
When married to men ladies, asked me how come I am not married, mother protected me saying that there are many confirmed bachelors in our family, and partenal one too!! That did mean that, and not gay!!
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I think you may have something to start a thread here with your comment??
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To me, it is obvious in many ways in the movie, that Alma Jr. knew that her father was/is bi or gay!!
It is so nice to hear from you again, and am awaiting your news,
hugs!!
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