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TOTW 16/07: Did Alma Jr. know Ennis was gay?
Phillip Dampier:
--- Quote from: Artiste on December 11, 2007, 11:40:56 pm ---You are right that Bettermost must continue to give us freedom of expression... if I read you right. I feel that it does, most of the time and at other moments, I know that I am helped and that I helped too others. May that continue... always!!
We have found ways to help each other and others. And my wish is to discover other wondrous methoeds too!!
I am sure that Bettermost also saves lives! Plus it makes us all happier somehow!!
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Artiste, with great respect to you, I wanted to let you know that we do strive to permit as much freedom of expression and the chance to allow some topics to wander a bit off topic, but we have to balance that tolerance with the impact of off-topic messages derailing entire threads.
BetterMost has a large number of forums covering a wide variety of topics and issues. To allow readers the opportunity to make the best use of our community, we ask those who write messages try to respect what each forum was designed to cover. This forum, the Brokeback Mountain Open Forum, is for discussions directly relating to Brokeback Mountain, the story/movie and what it means and how it impacts on our lives.
Unfortunately, some of the topics that have appeared in this forum have absolutely nothing to do with the story at all. While occasional off-topic comments are not a problem, when there are repeated instances of people posting messages that basically derail a thread's intended purpose, the moderator here may move those comments to a different forum, or move them to that person's personal blog in Our Daily Thoughts, especially when they are about one's personal life experiences.
Truthfully, more people will read those kinds of comments in Our Daily Thoughts than will see them here, and it also allows people focused on the story to remain focused on those issues and not get sidetracked.
We are a community and we all have to work together to make this place work. We ask everyone to help us out by thinking carefully before posting a message that wanders completely off-topic, and consider where that message would best belong. It helps get those messages read by people interested in those topics, and it makes everyone else happy by keeping things in the proper place.
I hope that clears up this issue.
Artiste:
Thanks Phillip Dampier!
I do not agree with you on that, even if I want to do so. And will explain further, for now your saying is this:
Artiste, with great respect to you, I wanted to let you know that we do strive to permit as much freedom of expression and the chance to allow some topics to wander a bit off topic, but we have to balance that tolerance with the impact of off-topic messages derailing entire threads.
BetterMost has a large number of forums covering a wide variety of topics and issues. To allow readers the opportunity to make the best use of our community, we ask those who write messages try to respect what each forum was designed to cover. This forum, the Brokeback Mountain Open Forum, is for discussions directly relating to Brokeback Mountain, the story/movie and what it means and how it impacts on our lives.
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Phillip and others: May I reply that we have that before and at fiest it worked on other threads!! But then we became limited by other threads and by some moderators!! Unfortunately!! And when I have hard subjects, I noticed that no one even dared to answer, because most persons are unfortunately afraid, yes like the ones on the BM movie.
If oyou, moderators and others on Bettermost, have noted, we like a bit of off-subjects, since we try to relate that the movie somehow, fortunately!! That should remain the ONLY way to do so, for now. We feel free this way! Why kill a happy bird who was unhappy, may I suggest?? !!
Hugs! I awainting replies of yours an that of others!! Why kill Bettermost, when we are now happy using it and we all learn this way wondrous ways?? The BM movie and story, touches many things, you all know that, right?? Issues are important to us, and need to be writtien, detailed and to each his own to become happy, even gay, and help others too!! Why do you use the word tolorence? We want freedom, not anti-gay words nor anti-women words, bnor anti-children words... right?? Computor isjumping... so I am posting without coreecting...
hugs to you and to all! And will corect later somehow... if I made a mistake in wording or expression.
cricket99999:
I'm way late, but want to weigh in about Ennis missing work to attend Junior's wedding.
--- Quote from: delalluvia on November 30, 2007, 09:12:34 pm ---It doesn't have to be so black and white. She most certainly can invite him, most of us invite people to special events we know have no chance of showing up, for whatever reason:
"Daddy I'm getting married. Can you come give me away?"
"Oh honey, I gotta drive down in the Tetons."
"OK, well, when you're back why don't you come by and see our new place and the pictures of the wedding?"
That would seem to be more of a realistic dialogue and a compromise both would find acceptable given each other's circumstances.
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That would be a bummer of an ending... it wouldn't work. We need to see that Ennis is changing.
And for what it's worth, I *don't* think he quit a job to go to the wedding.
He opted out of a weekend of work, is how I saw it, based on what I've seen of roundups and cattle drives.
Where I lived, the cattle were rounded up twice a year, and each cattle drive was a one-shot thing, for that weekend only. They were herded up to the mountains as weather was warming up. Then they were driven downvalley end of summer. It was only about forty miles, if that. Cowboys were hired on a prn basis (or whatever that is called, in the ranching industry). Some worked on ranches full-time, but others were cowboys only those two weekends per year. If they could work that weekend, fine. If not, fine. They would likely be offered work the next time. either way. Or offered work the next weekend, in a different valley.
I believe the script was written to suggest this type of roundup, alluding to it being just a weekend drive. Ennis doesn't say "my boss really needs me to work that weekend." Instead he says something like "there's a roundup in the Tetons I'm working that weekend."
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: cricket99999 on December 13, 2007, 08:30:00 pm ---I'm way late, but want to weigh in about Ennis missing work to attend Junior's wedding.
That would be a bummer of an ending... it wouldn't work. We need to see that Ennis is changing.
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No, we don't. The story doesn't show Ennis changing, why should the movie? It's a tragedy. It's meant to be a bummer.
--- Quote ---And for what it's worth, I *don't* think he quit a job to go to the wedding.
He opted out of a weekend of work, is how I saw it, based on what I've seen of roundups and cattle drives.
Where I lived, the cattle were rounded up twice a year, and each cattle drive was a one-shot thing, for that weekend only. They were herded up to the mountains as weather was warming up. Then they were driven downvalley end of summer. It was only about forty miles, if that. Cowboys were hired on a prn basis (or whatever that is called, in the ranching industry). Some worked on ranches full-time, but others were cowboys only those two weekends per year. If they could work that weekend, fine. If not, fine. They would likely be offered work the next time. either way. Or offered work the next weekend, in a different valley.
I believe the script was written to suggest this type of roundup, alluding to it being just a weekend drive.
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When did it allude to a weekend? I haven't looked at a calendar - and neither did Ennis - but was it actually said the wedding was on a weekend?
And if it was just piecemeal weekend work, that even makes it worse for Junior to ask him to give up a weekend's work if that's all the work he's been able to get.
Phillip Dampier:
--- Quote from: Artiste on December 13, 2007, 07:32:31 pm ---Phillip and others: May I reply that we have that before and at fiest it worked on other threads!! But then we became limited by other threads and by some moderators!! Unfortunately!! And when I have hard subjects, I noticed that no one even dared to answer, because most persons are unfortunately afraid, yes like the ones on the BM movie.
If oyou, moderators and others on Bettermost, have noted, we like a bit of off-subjects, since we try to relate that the movie somehow, fortunately!! That should remain the ONLY way to do so, for now. We feel free this way! Why kill a happy bird who was unhappy, may I suggest?? !!
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But here is the problem. A lot of people are unhappy with the amount of off-topic side issues raised in these threads which have absolutely nothing to do with the story. They disrupt the entire discussion, and we've had complaints raised about this. Nobody is telling you that you cannot raise any issue you wish, but it must be done in the appropriate place. If I wrote, for example, a message in one of our online game forums discussing the fact I think global warming is a serious problem and we need to ban all cars because of it, there would be a lot of people wondering why in the world I am talking about global warming in an online game message. Then we'd probably get 15 people replying arguing about whether global warming is a problem, what kind of car I am driving, why I wrote such a message in the first place, and is it censorship to remove it... everything discussed EXCEPT the original point of the thread - to play an online game. So it basically ruins the game.
I don't think it is too much to ask everyone to consider the audience when replying to messages. I always try and ask myself, "is this the right place for my message on this subject?" It's not the right place if I were to write five paragraphs on global warming and then in the very last sentence, tell people I rolled the dice and got two "six's" and whose turn is it now. :)
--- Quote ---Hugs! I awainting replies of yours an that of others!! Why kill Bettermost, when we are now happy using it and we all learn this way wondrous ways?? The BM movie and story, touches many things, you all know that, right?? Issues are important to us, and need to be writtien, detailed and to each his own to become happy, even gay, and help others too!! Why do you use the word tolorence? We want freedom, not anti-gay words nor anti-women words, bnor anti-children words... right?? Computor isjumping... so I am posting without coreecting...
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I agree that all of these issues are important. Discussions about the story itself and its impact are quite appropriate in this forum. Discussions about broader gay and lesbian issues should be raised in our Safe Haven forum. If there is a political issue about anti-gay or anti-women matters, that belongs in the Current Events forum. And issues that focus on your own life and experiences are best placed in your personal blog in Our Daily Thoughts. That's where we all talk about what is going on in our daily lives and the problems we face. I realize English is not your first/primary language, so if you have any questions about where a message would work best, just send me a note (or any of our moderators) and we'll be happy to guide you. It makes things better for everyone, and I am certain people will appreciate your effort. I thank you!
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