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Joe Aguirre: what do you think of this character as portrayed in the movie?
Kd5000:
My opinion of Aguirre has changed recently. It seems that when Jack was exiting the trailer after his last encounter with Aguirre, a scene was cut which showed two mechanics who stare accusingly at Jack. It seems Aguirre had spilled the beans to a few of the locals about what he had witnessed. Conjecture is that after Jack saw their reaction, he was apt to prove his heterosexuality and hooked up with Lureen.
Darn, I guess we will never get to see those deleted scenes. My source was READING BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN.
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: Kd5000 on December 07, 2007, 12:00:20 am ---My opinion of Aguirre has changed recently. It seems that when Jack was exiting the trailer after his last encounter with Aguirre, a scene was cut which showed two mechanics who stare accusingly at Jack. It seems Aguirre had spilled the beans to a few of the locals about what he had witnessed. Conjecture is that after Jack saw their reaction, he was apt to prove his heterosexuality and hooked up with Lureen.
Darn, I guess we will never get to see those deleted scenes. My source was READING BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN.
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that is fascinating, I would like to have seen that.
brokeplex:
Was Aguirre really such a bad boss? I'm not so sure. Lets look at what actually happened from the standpoint of a man who has invested money and been charged with managing a sheep operation and needs to make a profit for himself and his other investors.
Yes, he was using the allotments in a fashion that the Forest Service did not allow. But, so was every other user of the allotments. This type of grazing on the Forest Service lands is common in the west and most ranchers would actually build temporary cabins in the allotments for their herders. Aguirre told then to "build no fire, leave no sign", he is trying to work within the system. The Forest service routinely looked the other way at much more egregious violations than Aguirre's.
Jack and Ennis did not do what Aguirre needed. First they changed roles without Aguirre's permission, that was of course to the good as Ennis was a good sheep herder and Jack was not. But still Aguirre could not have been pleased at first to see Jack in camp. Then there were the losses to the herd after shovedown. In order to avoid that, Aguirre hired two of them instead of one. Aguire had to have been angry at his losses.
Then there was Jack's poor performance last year, yet Aguirre gave him another chance.
I just want to play devils advocate and have y'all look at this from Aguirre's point of view. I really loved the way Randy Quaid played that role!
Brown Eyes:
--- Quote from: brokeplex on December 07, 2007, 01:38:14 am ---Was Aguirre really such a bad boss? I'm not so sure. Lets look at what actually happened from the standpoint of a man who has invested money and been charged with managing a sheep operation and needs to make a profit for himself and his other investors.
Yes, he was using the allotments in a fashion that the Forest Service did not allow. But, so was every other user of the allotments. This type of grazing on the Forest Service lands is common in the west and most ranchers would actually build temporary cabins in the allotments for their herders. Aguirre told then to "build no fire, leave no sign", he is trying to work within the system. The Forest service routinely looked the other way at much more egregious violations than Aguirre's.
Jack and Ennis did not do what Aguirre needed. First they changed roles without Aguirre's permission, that was of course to the good as Ennis was a good sheep herder and Jack was not. But still Aguirre could not have been pleased at first to see Jack in camp. Then there were the losses to the herd after shovedown. In order to avoid that, Aguirre hired two of them instead of one. Aguire had to have been angry at his losses.
Then there was Jack's poor performance last year, yet Aguirre gave him another chance.
I just want to play devils advocate and have y'all look at this from Aguirre's point of view. I really loved the way Randy Quaid played that role!
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Do we really think that Jack's a bad sheep herder? I don't really know if that's the case. Maybe he really is at least reasonably good at herding and that's the reason that Aguirre re-hired him.
The loss of sheep due to the weather really wasn't the result of the skill of the herder (Jack or otherwise). And, Ennis is seen at least once asking Jack what to do in terms of herding... When the sheep get mixed up he says "what are we supposed to do now?" And, I think he may genuinely need Jack's advice about unmixing sheep, finding the lead-sheep, etc. I wonder if Ennis and Jack are both equally good as herders but good at different aspects of herding. We always see Jack leading the herd when they're going up the mountain and when they're moving the flock. And, of course, Ennis lumbers along at the rear with all the supplies (Jack being in the lead of course has lots of other connotations in the story... and begins with their walk to the bar at the beginning).
But, you're right that Ennis and Jack didn't end up doing their jobs to the best of either of their abilities (I mean a sheep is killed on Ennis's watch)... but of course this is mainly because they're very distracted.
:)
Artiste:
Thanks all!!
I am still puzzled as to why Acquire did hire Jack a second time!!
Why??
There might be one reason, but I do not dare mention it, right now.
Hugs!!
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