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Joe Aguirre: what do you think of this character as portrayed in the movie?
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: moremojo on December 18, 2007, 05:05:07 pm ---Ah, but they succeeded in something much, much more important.
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You are correct, without their taking the time to establish their relationship there would be no story here. But, from Joe Aguirre's point of view ( and I started this thread to talk about Joe and his motivations, strengths and weaknesses), they were bad hires, with Ennis less a bad hire than Jack.
That doesn't mean that I don't love Jack. Jack as a character held my heart in his hands right from the beginning, when I first read the ss. Ennis finally had me in the last scenes of the movie.
Artiste:
Wow, very interesting comments! Thanks all of you!!
One comment is: KISS, straight guys don't kiss! I do not think that I ever seen a straight guy kiss, moi nor anyone straight, gay, bi or otherwise!!
But since Ennis did kiss Jack when Aquirre was looking from afar, and if you consider all three straights (somehow or maybe one or two), then the movie was different from Annie's story?
If the movie would have been more strict to Annie's story, would Aquirre be otherwise?
Hugs!
Merry, Merry, Merry Christmas and Happy Gay Holidays to all!!
Ellemeno:
I'm late to the party. Some brief thoughts that may have already been said:
I have never seen any sign of homophobia at all in Aguirre. He's pissed that they let the dogs babysit the sheep, not that they stemmed the rose. I think his "I don't have no work for you" is one of those points in the movie to show us the paranoia Ennis and Jack have to live with, the constant "What did that person mean by that? Do they Know?"
Men at the top of the heap can be just as cranky as guys with bosses stepping on their necks. Running the business isn't less pressure than taking orders.
One thing I always see in Randy Quaid's performance is a - I don't know what term to use - a kind of deliberate aware semi-ironic tone, like from a very differently-toned movie, one where all the actors are alluding to the fact that they know they are in a movie, almost sort of like the old TV show "Get Smart." Especially in the Uncle Harold scene. I always feel like Jake (the actor, I mean) senses this about Randy Quaid's performance in that scene, so doesn't quite know how to play it. He kind of goes along with it too. Does anybody get what I'm trying to say?
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: Ellemeno on December 19, 2007, 11:38:21 pm ---
One thing I always see in Randy Quaid's performance is a - I don't know what term to use - a kind of deliberate aware semi-ironic tone, like from a very differently-toned movie, one where all the actors are alluding to the fact that they know they are in a movie, almost sort of like the old TV show "Get Smart." Especially in the Uncle Harold scene. I always feel like Jake (the actor, I mean) senses this about Randy Quaid's performance in that scene, so doesn't quite know how to play it. He kind of goes along with it too. Does anybody get what I'm trying to say?
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just as a clarification, are you saying that Randy Quaid's performance as Aguirre has a touch of irony? or are you saying that Jake Gyllenhaal is playing Jack Twist with a touch of irony?
I think that Quaid captured a weary tone and demeanor of a businessman who is probably tired of fighting all of the elements that make his tasks difficult. I can see how that might be thought of as an semi-ironic tone.
But, I have noticed that at times in the film, Gyllenhaal does come across as somewhat ironic to me and somewhat removed from the character, but at other times, very serious and very into the Jack Twist character. Heath Ledger on the other hand is consistently right into the Del Mar character, and I am very disappointed that he didn't win an Oscar for his role.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: brokeplex on December 20, 2007, 10:47:55 am ---But, I have noticed that at times in the film, Gyllenhaal does come across as somewhat ironic to me and somewhat removed from the character, but at other times, very serious and very into the Jack Twist character.
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I remember one reviewer saying he was put off, at first, by Jake's performance. The reviewer thought that Jake appeared to be too obviously posturing as the classic iconic cowboy. Then he (the reviewer) realized that what Jake actually was doing was playing a character who postured as the classic iconic cowboy. Good distinction, and I think Jake pulled it off well.
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