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TOTW 19/07: Why couldn't Jack learn to just be happy with things as they were af
Artiste:
Thanks all of you!!
May I pose some questions concerning: As Ennis himself says, "You may be a sinner, but I ain't yet had the opportunity."
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1. That is said by Ennis in the movie. It is so too in Annie's book?
2. Of course, Jack in the movie was not to be just happy talking with Ennis and tried to seduce him. Did Jack say that there and then As Ennis himself says, "You may be a sinner, but I ain't yet had the opportunity."
... I (Jack) too am an virgin?
Must go... see you later,
hugs!!
myprivatejack:
--- Quote from: brokeplex on December 28, 2007, 12:11:11 pm ---That is a good point, in effect Ennis is admitting that he is a virgin. Macho culture does carry a lot of braggadocio in it, but he trusted Jack enough to admit that he was inexperienced.
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Yes,they both trusted in each other enough to open-specially Ennis-more than ever;and I think this is one of the reasons why their friendship became something deeper,because they needed above all some warmth,not in a sexual sense only...But in this concrete scene,I think that Ennis is clearly "flirting" already with Jack-look at the glance he took on this last,to his face and to his "opportunities"... :laugh: -.What is your opinion about?.-
Artiste:
Thanks myprivatejack!!
You say: Ennis is clearly "flirting" already with Jack-look at the glance he took on this last,to his face and to his "opportunities"... -.What is your opinion about?.-
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Myprivatejack, I think like you do: that Ennis does flirt with Jack then... since he says that he is a virgin and had no opportunity. I tend to think also that he flirts with Jack right at the begginig of the movie!! What do you think?
Hugs!! May all Ennis' and Jacks have/had the opportunity to flirt before, during and/or after New Year Day 2008!!
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: myprivatejack on December 29, 2007, 11:28:26 am ---Yes,they both trusted in each other enough to open-specially Ennis-more than ever;and I think this is one of the reasons why their friendship became something deeper,because they needed above all some warmth,not in a sexual sense only...But in this concrete scene,I think that Ennis is clearly "flirting" already with Jack-look at the glance he took on this last,to his face and to his "opportunities"... :laugh: -.What is your opinion about?.-
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I like your "practical" approach to analyzing the movie and the short story.
You are exactly correct, many actions which some may interpret as "romantically" inspired just may be a practical solutions to problems encountered when one camps in the wild. The first tent scene is an excellent example, Ennis's primary motivation at first was warmth, later on that same cold night, loneliness and Jack's availability motivated him to follow thru on Jack's sexual overture.
Artiste:
The focus in not only on sex!!
Sex is only one way to love and to be loved!!
Jack tried to be just happy with sex and, too, without it!! Much more is to be said and discovered!!
His love was not stagnant, neither was Ennis'!! Love can never be that! So what is it with Jack??
Hugs!!
May each day be a welcoming surprise of Gay Joys for you and for all on Earth!!
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