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TOTW 19/07: Why couldn't Jack learn to just be happy with things as they were af
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on December 26, 2007, 07:11:12 pm ---I think once they got back together, Jack was faithful. Before the Motel Siesta, they didn't even know if they were ever going to see each other again, so I can't say they considered themselves in a relationship then. After that, I believe Jack was faithful up until Ennis' divorce.
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That would certainly go along with my impression that in the film, when we see Jack tearing off to Mexico after the scene with Ennis, that we are to interpret that as Jack's first trip to Mexico.
Artiste:
Wow, this is interesting as you say southendmd:
Regarding Jack's being "faithful" to Ennis, the short story differs: in the Motel Siesta, Ennis wonders aloud about whether he's gay:
(Ennis) "...I never had no thoughts a doin it with another guy except I sure wrang it out a hunderd times thinkin about you. You do it with other guys? Jack?"
"Shit no," said Jack, who had been riding more than bulls, not rolling his own. "You know that. Old Brokeback got us good and it sure ain't over..."
.................
May I think now that Ennis was indeed a virgin before he saw Jack, I think that since you quote the book: I never had no thoughts a doin it with another guy...
But is Ennis a virgin as to male with a female? Did he have sex with a female? With like Elma? Before he saw Jack for the first time, that is?
........................... Maybe?
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: Artiste on December 27, 2007, 11:21:14 am ---But is Ennis a virgin as to male with a female? Did he have sex with a female? With like Elma? Before he saw Jack for the first time, that is?
........................... Maybe?
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I think so. As Ennis himself says, "You may be a sinner, but I ain't yet had the opportunity."
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on December 27, 2007, 09:32:14 pm ---I think so. As Ennis himself says, "You may be a sinner, but I ain't yet had the opportunity."
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That's my understanding, too. And I've always thought that was a remarkable thing for Ennis to admit, being a guy in the macho culture in which he was raised. I think it shows him opening up to Jack.
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on December 28, 2007, 10:09:01 am ---That's my understanding, too. And I've always thought that was a remarkable thing for Ennis to admit, being a guy in the macho culture in which he was raised. I think it shows him opening up to Jack.
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That is a good point, in effect Ennis is admitting that he is a virgin. Macho culture does carry a lot of braggadocio in it, but he trusted Jack enough to admit that he was inexperienced.
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