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TOTW 01/08: Do you think Jack was murdered or was it an accident?

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moremojo:

--- Quote from: garycottle on January 14, 2008, 06:46:04 pm ---That isn't criminal.  That's human.
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We are living in a time and place where powerful people are trying to render the human criminal. We must remind ourselves in the face of this onslaught against our human dignity that we are existentially free, and that no earthly power can cleave this fundamental freedom from our souls.

Artiste:
Thanks moremojo!

Please explain: We are living in a time and place where powerful people are trying to render the human criminal. We must remind ourselves in the face of this onslaught against our human dignity that we are existentially free...
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I would appreciate samples, more!!

Your samples can be anything... so I can understand, please. Any can put possibly more of a light on this thread; You think Jack was murdered or was it an accident? - Somehow, in or by your detail story/stories!!

Hugs!!

serious crayons:

--- Quote from: garycottle on January 14, 2008, 06:46:04 pm ---Good points, ineedcrayons.  I would add that perhaps one of the reasons that women are less likely to engage in this type of casual sex is because they tend to be physically less strong then men, and they're reluctant to put themselves into situations were they might be mistreated.  But I have heard of cases of straight strangers joining The Mile High Club.  Maybe women are more apt to do it with a stranger on a plane because they know help is right outside the door if they need it.
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That could be one reason. But I think another powerful reason has to do with human reproduction and evolution. Men theoretically can father endless numbers of babies simultaneously. For men, successful reproduction can be achieved in a matter of minutes. Women can only have one child at a time. They're pregnant for nine months, nursing after that, then looking after the child until it's mature. So successful reproduction means devoting many years. And since their ability to provide for a child is enhanced if they have a man's help, women are best off if they can find a man who's a good provider. In the Pleistocene Era, that might mean a good hunter. In more modern times, it might mean someone affluent. But throughout history, the best provider is one who is committed and responsible and loving.

Therefore, women have evolved to be much more careful and selective about their sex partners than men. That requires being at least somewhat familiar with the person they're having sex with. For this reason, they're highly unlikely to do it with the total stranger sitting next to them on a plane.

Also, I would guess I speak for a lot of women in saying that knowing that if my sex partner got violent in the airplane restroom I could always call a flight attendant for help would not be a huge reassurance.

moremojo:
Artiste,

In the United States, we are living under a reactionary political regime that discounts the worth and beauty of our bodies and of our sexuality. There are powerful forces, often linked to fundamentalist Christianity, that seek to turn the clock back and nullify the social and political advances that began to take root and flower from the 1960's on, and not only in regard to sexual issues. Pornography and nude photography seem to me to be especially volatile arenas of contention, ironically so given the unprecedented infiltration of erotic imagery into mainstream American culture. The specter of real or potential exploitation of children has been used as a means to discredit the methods and goals of producers of sexually oriented media, and to limit the access to such material by adults who legitimately seek it out. In invoking the admittedly laudable interests of protecting children, some have sweepingly sought to render all citizens as the mental and emotional equivalent of children who must be forbidden the pleasures and pursuits that are the due of mature adults (comedian and commentator Bill Maher has addressed this issue often). In the same spirit, we also have seen serious artists such as Robert Mapplethorpe, Jock Sturges, and Sally Mann accused, defamed, and even harassed by the authorities.

It seems that for every step forward there is often at least two steps back. When the sodomy laws were overturned by the Supreme Court, I predicted an upsurge in police-entrapment efforts against gay men in public places, like the very stories we have been sharing in this thread. I predicted this because I saw how the homophobia which I saw as still very much alive in the agencies of power would now have one basis for legal persecution closed, and would reinforce still existing laws to give vent to hatred and oppression. I have no statistics to back this up, but I do know that my friend was entrapped and persecuted some time after the Supreme Court's decision.

Human beings are sexual beings. But to many in our world, whether they consciously admit it or not, being sexual is tantamount to being criminal. This is where my invocation of existential freedom comes into play, for each and every human being is born intrinsically free. There is no law or agency that can nullify this freedom; it is an inextricable part of being alive and human. This is the freedom of thought and of feeling that no number of Hitlers, Stalins, prisons, or concentration camps can destroy....even as our very bodies are destroyed.

Artiste:
Thanks mormojo!

You say in part: In invoking the admittedly laudable interests of protecting children, some have sweepingly sought to render all citizens as the mental and emotional equivalent of children...

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Moremojo and to others: I think that there are more and more samples of that in our democratic countries: laws forbidding sex with children, as an example. But some go too far; as another example: when I was at my lawyer's cabinet two years ago, I was in the hall waiting to see him, and heard his utmostly loud yelling behind closed doors my advocate yell at a mother who had taken photos of her baby/infant naked and that was a no, no or she would be charged furtherly by existing laws; and so, the parents came out baffled, as I was too!! I never wanted sex nor will with a child, and most do not neither!! Are pedophiles or child murderers getting help in prison or when out, no!! But a naked child is often seen in ads on TV?? !!

There is a now a list that police forces (throughout the country) have listing those adults who child molested... OK, and so when Iachild-molester is not murdered by so-called-honest-other-prisoners, when he or she gets out back into the society at large, police notify that community where that former molester will live!! But what I do not understand is that there is no such list for murderers, so such killers get out free and room our streets and enter our homes freely without us getting notices!! So, I think that Jack was indeed murdered and the cops would maybe not say so to his wife!!

What do you think... is this a possibility?

Hugs!!

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