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TOTW 01/08: Do you think Jack was murdered or was it an accident?
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: brokeplex on January 15, 2008, 12:44:39 pm ---Brad, I read your story a few months ago in "Beyond Brokeback" and was moved. Thank you for sharing it with us.
Bill
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Ditto what Bill said. It took courage to put it out there in print that way.
Jeff
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: garycottle on January 15, 2008, 02:09:35 pm ---Ineedcrayons, I'd like to point out that the situation you just described isn't that common among gay men either.
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No. My only point was that soliciting for or engaging in any kind of sex -- public or otherwise -- with a total stranger is next to unheard of for straight women, aside from prostitutes. Which is at least one big reason straight couples don't get stigmatized for this.
--- Quote --- Of course it does happen like that, but it seems many of the men who do things like that are attracted to the danger, or they have compartmentalized their homosexual desires. They go and take care of it as the need arises, or when they just can't stand not having sex with a man any more, and then they go on about their usually closeted existence. So it is in some way apt that these men would go to a restroom to "take care of business."
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Right. So, indirectly, societal homophobia has forced at least some gay men into having to engage in restroom sex more often -- where else is Larry Craig going to do it?
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: ineedcrayons on January 15, 2008, 02:38:23 pm ---So, indirectly, societal homophobia has forced at least some gay men into having to engage in restroom sex more often -- where else is Larry Craig going to do it?
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He could hire a "masseur" like Ted Haggard. ... ;D
Artiste:
News: straights (females and males too) go also to public washrooms to have sex!! Females have asked or tired to force that!!
Also news maybe to some: there are some public parks where sex is OK, like is there in the open either in a known area for gay and/or straight sex!! The public knows and prefers that that continues!!
Of course if Jack used either a park or public washroom, he took a chance to get murdered after or before having been stolen... if stolen, but killed because he tried or wanted sex there... even if not burglarized because some like to bash such in action or pre-action!!
Hugs!!
moremojo:
I just wanted to chime in, for what it's worth, on your latest point, Artiste, about putative sexual activity on the part of women in public facilities. I was acquainted with a young woman back in circa 1990, who identified as bisexual, and who claimed that, while rare, female-on-female sex in public restrooms had been known to happen. I have not heard or read any evidence of such activity since. Also, in light of Katherine's assertions regarding the rarity of women engaging in sex with strangers, a close friend of mine who is a straight man once opined, several years ago, that, while rare, such women could probably be found. He guessed that if he were to proposition one woman after another in public settings, probably one in about one hundred would agree to a tryst. This all came up in conversation because I had expressed disbelief that any woman would ever enter into such a scenario.
I also wish to commend Brad for his thoughtful and ample explication on his background and perceptions regarding law enforcement and its position towards lesbigay people. You speak from a position of experience, Brad, and I welcome your informative input into this subject. I tend to be distrustful of authority, so often have not thought highly of law enforcement regarding the sensitivity and awareness of its officers towards oppressed groups of people, but your words remind me that I should give these men and women (who are, after all, necessary and valued public servants) the benefit of the doubt. I do persist in my belief that what the local police did to my friend was wrong and misguided (if not necessarily homophobic at root), but concede that this one incident should not be used to make sweeping generalizations of an entire profession.
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