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TOTW 01/08: Do you think Jack was murdered or was it an accident?
Shakesthecoffecan:
My opinion is based solely on what I saw in the movie, not really on the short story at all.
As Lureen is talking to Ennis on the phone, she seems to be looking at someone, someone in the room with her that we don't see. Maybe a parent, maybe someone else, maybe Bobby. She is maintaining eye contact with them as she goes thru an obviously rehearsed and oft repeated story. She is concealing something for sure. Anne Hathaway even spoke to this on Oprah saying "its pretty obvious" or something like that.
My feeling is that Jacks death did not occure in the way she was portraying it.
Artiste:
Thanks Shakestheground!
Interesting is your puzzling comment!
So you think that someone or persons did try to murder Jack and nearly succeeded, and his Jack's wife knows about that??
Hugs!!
Brown Eyes:
--- Quote from: Shakestheground on January 08, 2008, 10:09:13 pm ---My opinion is based solely on what I saw in the movie, not really on the short story at all.
As Lureen is talking to Ennis on the phone, she seems to be looking at someone, someone in the room with her that we don't see. Maybe a parent, maybe someone else, maybe Bobby. She is maintaining eye contact with them as she goes thru an obviously rehearsed and oft repeated story. She is concealing something for sure. Anne Hathaway even spoke to this on Oprah saying "its pretty obvious" or something like that.
My feeling is that Jacks death did not occure in the way she was portraying it.
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Hey Bud!
Amazing! This observation that Lureen may have been maintaining eye-contact with someone while she was on the phone is a new one to me. But, it's a really fascinating idea. And, I can certainly understand where that interpretation could come from... now that you describe it.
I've always thought her description sounded rehearsed. Definitely... but I'd always thought it was just fatigue at re-telling the story of Jack's death (which she probably had to do over and over again for friends and family, etc.). Or if not fatigue... as a way of just getting through having to describe something very difficult.
That phone scene is just so brilliant. I still think Lureen really treats Ennis very well on the phone. I think it's a huge kindness on her part to prod Ennis to go visit Jack's parents, etc.
belbbmfan:
--- Quote from: atz75 on January 09, 2008, 01:46:51 am ---
That phone scene is just so brilliant. I still think Lureen really treats Ennis very well on the phone. I think it's a huge kindness on her part to prod Ennis to go visit Jack's parents, etc.
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I agree. Lureen really did care about Jack. She wants his last wishes to be fulfilled. And all this after she just found out (or her suspicions were confirmed) that Ennis was so much more the 'the fishing buddy'.
Penthesilea:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on January 08, 2008, 08:33:30 pm ---Not to be a party pooper, but to comment on some postings that say "If Ennis had been there - opened himself up - he would have been able to save Jack."
Would he have? In a situation where both were suspect in in a dangerous, confrontational situation, would Ennis have risen to the occasion? Or would he have been paralyzed by fear? Or not wanting to align himself with Jack in front of others - so as to be considered a 'boy like him'? We hear about Rich and Earl. Earl got killed. Where was his lover? Did he stand up for his lover? Or not? Would Ennis have been another Rich?
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Not one person in this thread has said that Ennis would have been able to save Jack. Some (I 'm among them) said he might have been able to save him. Big difference.
You and I may be able to weigh the chances logically: even people living a sweet life together aren't together for every minute of the day; in the accident case Jack may have died from his severe injuries even if someone had turned him around; in the murder case they may both have been murdered; and so on. We can even get downright philosophically about the question and ask if Jack's time was simply up, no matter how the circumstances were.
We can argue about logical versimilitudes (which chances were higher?) as much as we want, it doesn't matter to Ennis. Because for Ennis, it boils down to "blood choking down Jack's throat and nobody there to turn him over."
If Ennis had said yes to the sweet life, he may have been able to save Jack, and that chance is enough to feel not only regret, but also guilt (btw a common phenomenon among survivors).
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