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TOTW 02/08: Was Lureen pregnant when she met Jack?
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: atz75 on January 22, 2008, 01:26:19 pm ---
Well, I think a person can be really, truly genuininely happy in a state of platonic love. I think platonic love can be blissful. And, I do think Ennis loves Alma... in his own way.
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Tell you what, when you consider what we know of Ennis's father, and that he was young when both his parents died, I'm not exactly sure Ennis really knows what it's like to some someone--until he finds the shirts. :-\
--- Quote ---I still think Ennis is having fun sledding.... but I don't know how this reflects the degree of his sexual attraction to Alma.
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What it shows, I think is that he is in love with her--and he's not "faking it," just as Jack isn't faking it in the back seat with Lureen.
--- Quote ---Based on the actual sexual moments we witness between them, he seems pretty unhappy... has to visualize Jack (that's how I interpret the cut to the bull-riding during Ennis's early sex scene with Alma)... and of course, it's pretty awful for Alma herself.
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I think that cut is just a very subtle visual joke--from Ennis "riding" Alma to Jack riding a bull--that doesn't say anything about what's going on in Ennis's mind when he does what he prefers with Alma. Of course, anyone is free to imagine that it does say something about Ennis's state of mind. ... ;)
But I guess we've wandered pretty far afield from questons of Lureen's pregancy, haven't we? :laugh:
Brown Eyes:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on January 22, 2008, 02:30:42 pm ---
What it shows, I think is that he is in love with her--and he's not "faking it," just as Jack isn't faking it in the back seat with Lureen.
I think that cut is just a very subtle visual joke--from Ennis "riding" Alma to Jack riding a bull--that doesn't say anything about what's going on in Ennis's mind when he does what he prefers with Alma. Of course, anyone is free to imagine that it does say something about Ennis's state of mind. ... ;)
But I guess we've wandered pretty far afield from questons of Lureen's pregancy, haven't we? :laugh:
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Yeah, you're right that we've wandered a bit OT. I think for some of these things, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
I do think the cut to the bull-riding is meant to be a "joke" (a really sad/mean joke) or at least a pun... and I also think it's meant to represent what's going on in Ennis's mind. I think it's meant to function as a montage that way.
But, again, it's fine to disagree about these things. There are certainly multiple ways to read some of these issues in BBM.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: atz75 on January 22, 2008, 03:05:24 pm ---But, again, it's fine to disagree about these things. There are certainly multiple ways to read some of these issues in BBM.
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Sure enough. If we haven't convinced each other by now, we probably never will. ;D
Still, it's fun to go back to these debates now and then.
southendmd:
A couple of thoughts:
I don't believe Lureen was pregnant at all. I believe post-mountain, post-Jimbo-rejection Jack is counting his blessings that a rich girl is showing him attention. For him, Ennis is gone, flirting with cowboys or clowns is dangerous, and he is "starving", literally and figuratively. The backseat is his ticket out of misery, so he goes for it, perhaps engaging in self-deception for survival. But, Lureen is "on top".
I believe we're meant to see that as Bobby's conception. We all know there are lots of problems with the time-line, and I think this is one of them.
My very first impression of the happy sledding scene was how much Alma in her fleecy cap looks like Jack. Ennis even "wrestles" a bit with her, on a hill... sound familiar?
The "Alma flip" into bull-riding scene I thought showed a naughty Ang, but also reminded me of the line in the story "...Jack, who had been riding more than bulls..."
Not sure if Ennis's relations with Alma represent self-deception. Again, I think of the story: "I like doin it with women, yeah, but Jesus H., ain't nothin like this."
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: southendmd on January 22, 2008, 04:24:57 pm ---Flirting with ... clowns is dangerous.
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Flirting with clowns is never wise. Unfortunately, there are an awful lot of them out there.
;)
Sorry. ... Couldn't resist. ...
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