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TOTW 02/08: Was Lureen pregnant when she met Jack?
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: southendmd on January 22, 2008, 04:24:57 pm ---Not sure if Ennis's relations with Alma represent self-deception. Again, I think of the story: "I like doin it with women, yeah, but Jesus H., ain't nothin like this."
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I've always thought Story Ennis was engaging in a little self-deception (or at least Jack-deception) when he said this.
Or maybe Story Ennis likes doin it with women the way Jeff thinks Jack liked doin it with Lureen in the back seat. Whatever gets your gun off ...
::)
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: southendmd on January 22, 2008, 04:24:57 pm ---Not sure if Ennis's relations with Alma represent self-deception. Again, I think of the story: "I like doin it with women, yeah, but Jesus H., ain't nothin like this."
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--- Quote from: ineedcrayons on January 22, 2008, 04:38:38 pm ---I've always thought Story Ennis was engaging in a little self-deception (or at least Jack-deception) when he said this.
Or maybe Story Ennis likes doin it with women the way Jeff thinks Jack liked doin it with Lureen in the back seat. Whatever gets your gun off ...
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Or maybe Ennis isn't deceiving himself and just means that he finds poking Jack's backside more physically pleasurable than poking a woman.
Sorry if that's vulgar. ... :-\
Brown Eyes:
--- Quote from: southendmd on January 22, 2008, 04:24:57 pm ---I believe we're meant to see that as Bobby's conception. We all know there are lots of problems with the time-line, and I think this is one of them.
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I absolutely agree with this. It seems to me that we're supposed to think the car scene is/could-be Bobby's conception. And, I also think that the whole confusion over the pregnancy timeline really is just a goof.... one of many in the timeline within the film.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on January 22, 2008, 05:23:23 pm ---Or maybe Ennis isn't deceiving himself and just means that he finds poking Jack's backside more physically pleasurable than poking a woman.
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I'm no expert, but given male and female physiological similarities I would guess the difference in pleasure between those particular options might be less physical than mental.
As far as whether he's deceiving himself, I guess it's another one of those things we can't solve. I think he's saying that he likes doin it with women just because he believes he's expected to like doin it with women.
moremojo:
--- Quote from: ineedcrayons on January 22, 2008, 05:35:22 pm ---As far as whether he's deceiving himself, I guess it's another one of those things we can't solve. I think he's saying that he likes doin it with women just because he believes he's expected to like doin it with women.
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And did Ennis ever truly have sex with a woman other than Alma by the time he made this statement? In the film, he tells Jack that he has never had the opportunity before their fateful tryst. In the short story, when said tryst commences, we read that there was no instruction manual but none was needed as Ennis penetrated Jack--suggesting that this may well be Ennis's very first sexual experience.
So by the time of the motel conversation, Ennis's carnal knowledge of women may very well have been limited to Alma, yet he refers to "women", perhaps to emphasize his alleged "masculinity" in his male friend's eyes.
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