Brokeback Mountain: Our Community's Common Bond > Heath Ledger Remembrance Forum
Heath Ledger's Accidental Overdose - Discussion Thread (Was: Breaking News)
souxi:
--- Quote from: ineedcrayons on February 08, 2008, 09:55:45 am ---Well said, Chris, Bruce and Mika.
OK, Ross, so go ahead and hold him accountable. How exactly do you suggest doing this? Let's see, he's already dead -- what further penalties do you consider to be in order?
Ross, I'm not sure you're understanding what people are saying here. The point is that Heath is dead, it's tragic, he was young and talented and had a daughter and long life ahead of him. People are grieving, and whether or not we know -- or think we know -- exactly how it happened is beside the point.
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Exactly right.Ross I really wish you,d just take all this somewhere else, because in my opinion it's no better than the gutter tabloid press, who have been gleefully printing allsorts of crap about poor Heath since he died. How do you think his family would feel if they came here and read the things you,ve said about their son? For heavens sake show some respect.
Soluki:
--- Quote from: RossInIllinois on February 07, 2008, 07:48:08 pm ---Well I guess my "reality" is quite different than yours. However it still does not mean im wrong.
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The cause for Heath Ledger's death is not and should not be viewed as a reflection of his life. They are separate phenomena, each one dependant on many other causes and conditions. His death was not in and of itself inherently bad or good. It is simply an event. We make the event bad or good when we apply our afflictive emotions to the phenomena; The same can be said of his life. He (like all of us) did (do) not exist independently. There is an interconnectivity that must be acknowledged in order to fight the ignorance that causes our afflictive emotions to create feelings of anger, hatred, lust, intolerance...etc.
We have no more a right to be disappointed in the fact that he died or the manner in which he died than we do the death of the rose. When we view these events ( and our lives even) as dependant arisings, then we can see that our various pains and emotional sufferings are caused by our own ignorant view of how we all exist in this world.
mvansand76:
--- Quote from: Soluki on February 08, 2008, 11:12:56 am ---The cause for Heath Ledger's death is not and should not be viewed as a reflection of his life. They are separate phenomena, each one dependant on many other causes and conditions. His death was not in and of itself inherently bad or good. It is simply an event. We make the event bad or good when we apply our afflictive emotions to the phenomena; The same can be said of his life. He (like all of us) did (do) not exist independently. There is an interconnectivity that must be acknowledged in order to fight the ignorance that causes our afflictive emotions to create feelings of anger, hatred, lust, intolerance...etc.
We have no more a right to be disappointed in the fact that he died or the manner in which he died than we do the death of the rose. When we view these events ( and our lives even) as dependant arisings, then we can see that our various pains and emotional sufferings are caused by our own ignorant view of how we all exist in this world.
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Wow, what an amazingly insightful post. Thank you so much Soluki... Welcome to Bettermost...
Verona:
On my local news yesterday morning, when they did the "In the Papers" segment and held up the Post to show another article, and I saw that Andrea Peyser article in the corner. I put these things together in my head. NY Post. Andrea Peyser. Celebrity death. Those three factors, both alone and in tandem, said to me "IGNORE."
Which is exactly what I now intend to do here. If I wanted to read this kind of crap, I'd go back to the imdb board. Some people, like Ms. Peyser and her ilk, think cynicism about celebrities makes them look cool, smart and in-the-know, and the schadenfreude they display over the death over a decent, talented young man is sickening. For any happy, well-adjusted person, there is no glee or satisfaction over another person's unhappiness/death. But for others, it's the only glee and satisfaction they know how to derive from life. It's how they can finally feel superior to someone they previously considered superior to themselves. "Hahaha, well Mr. Handsome, Famous, Talented Movie Star wasn't so perfect after all, was he? HAHAHA, gotcha!! Well at least I'm still alive, sucker! Now maybe you'll all see that I'm just as good as these celebrities... even better!! Pick me, not them!!"
Sad. Pathetic and sad.
TOoP/Bruce:
--- Quote from: Soluki on February 08, 2008, 11:12:56 am ---The cause for Heath Ledger's death is not and should not be viewed as a reflection of his life. They are separate phenomena, each one dependant on many other causes and conditions. His death was not in and of itself inherently bad or good. It is simply an event. We make the event bad or good when we apply our afflictive emotions to the phenomena; The same can be said of his life. He (like all of us) did (do) not exist independently. There is an interconnectivity that must be acknowledged in order to fight the ignorance that causes our afflictive emotions to create feelings of anger, hatred, lust, intolerance...etc.
We have no more a right to be disappointed in the fact that he died or the manner in which he died than we do the death of the rose. When we view these events ( and our lives even) as dependant arisings, then we can see that our various pains and emotional sufferings are caused by our own ignorant view of how we all exist in this world.
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This a very touching post, and there is much I agree with in here.
I think it would be tragic if we let the circumstances of Heath's death define his life. They do not. We are here discussing him because he was interesting in life and we will miss him.
Celebrate him for who he was...
I found this article of appreciation "Heath Ledger - short career, lasting images"
by Mick LaSalle, Chronicle Movie Critic.
--- Quote ---There's no way to make sense of this. No way to end an appreciation like this on an up note when the news is so sad. If there's something positive to be said, it's that the best work Ledger left behind will last forever, and the rest is already forgotten.
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