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As Easter nears, no Easter in Annie's story or the BM movie?? But??
Front-Ranger:
I think of Old Man Twist as more like Jehovah or the Vengeful God, the patriarcal God who judges the quick and the dead.
Artiste:
Thanks Front-Ranger!
Boy, you sure create a puzzle for me there!
May I say that:
1- since Mr. Twist did love Jack, therefore he is angry at Ennis for not living with his son;
(That is if Jack is Mr. Twist's son... which I question).
2- and, because Mr. Twist is still sad because of Jack's passing, is he being vengeful really by not letting Jack's ashes to Ennis?
Note: I have noticed that when someone dies, that some or many persons become even vengeful !!
Like you suggested too quickly to judge!! One example is when Heath passed away, I had created about 1 p.m. a thread concerning death, and when I came back about 6 p.m., there was already 3 (if not more) plus a moderator who blasted me for that!! How was I to know that Heath was to die after my thread?
Do you understand what I mean?
Au revoir,
hugs!
Artiste:
I do not know if all persons tend to judge too quickly, it seems so; since many do without looking at the facts!! I did that often! Do I do it as often now with my past experiences? Does everbody? Is everyone a Mr. Twist?
Is everyone a Mrs. Twist?
On the other hand, some persons do NOT act fast enough, as some do to SAVE their lives!!
How can one prevent from someone harming you or you harming someone??
WE need to feel as well as to think?? Which comes first??
Is that what the BM movie and Easter is about?
Au revoir,
hugs!
Front-Ranger:
--- Quote from: Artiste on March 19, 2008, 06:54:59 pm ---1- since Mr. Twist did love Jack, therefore he is angry at Ennis for not living with his son;
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You have a point there, Artiste. It sure does seem like OMT has a chip on his shoulder when it comes to Ennis. "'Ennis Del Mar' he says, he's gonna come up here and whip this ranch into shape." The contemptuous way he says Ennis' name...and the way he accuses Ennis without just coming out and saying it of rejecting his son and his proposition.
--- Quote from: Artiste on March 19, 2008, 06:54:59 pm ---(That is if Jack is Mr. Twist's son... which I question).
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I'm with you, Artiste. It's hard to believe that Jack could be OMT's son, and Annie Proulx also throws doubt when she says that Ennis "couldn't see much of Jack in either one of them." People ended up with children many different ways back then. Jack could have been adopted, or he could have actually been the son of a relative. Plus, there's the fact that he was circumcized and his father wasn't. That is a little unusual. Usually it's like father, like son.
--- Quote from: Artiste on March 19, 2008, 06:54:59 pm ---2- and, because Mr. Twist is still sad because of Jack's passing, is he being vengeful really by not letting Jack's ashes to Ennis?
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No doubt, there, too, Artiste. How else to explain it. He could have given Ennis at least SOME of the ashes anyway!
--- Quote from: Artiste on March 19, 2008, 06:54:59 pm ---Note: I have noticed that when someone dies, that some or many persons become even vengeful !!
Like you suggested too quickly to judge!! One example is when Heath passed away, I had created about 1 p.m. a thread concerning death, and when I came back about 6 p.m., there was already 3 (if not more) plus a moderator who blasted me for that!! How was I to know that Heath was to die after my thread?
Do you understand what I mean?
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I understand exactly what you mean, Artiste. There have been some distraught, angry, and beside-themselves people both in the virtual and real-life world during the past two months. The classic steps of grieving start with 1, shock and 2, anger. I think it was doubly hard for some people who may have never experienced the death of a loved one before, as well as for those who might not have the tightest grasp on reality to start with. The intensity and vehemence of the reaction of some people to Heath's death was startling and scary. Hopefully, we have found ways to reconcile it by now and are starting to move toward resignation, acceptance, and valuing the life that Heath did have, the spirit that he did possess and shared with us, and even to be happy that we had the opportunity to experience his rare talent, spirit, and character.
But it was definitely shaky there for a while!!
Artiste:
Thanks very, very much Front-Ranger!
You sure are enlightning! I appreciate that!
As far as you say concerning this:
I'm with you, Artiste. It's hard to believe that Jack could be OMT's son, and Annie Proulx also throws doubt when she says that Ennis "couldn't see much of Jack in either one of them." People ended up with children many different ways back then. Jack could have been adopted, or he could have actually been the son of a relative. Plus, there's the fact that he was circumcized and his father wasn't. That is a little unusual. Usually it's like father, like son.
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Front-Ranger, I am so happy that you say that!
Front-Ranger and to all too: I had thought that Jack maybe Mrs. Twist sister's son, and I do not remember how I did that! As a possibility... ??
What I find a bit stange is more than that too! Mr. Twist knows about Ennis before Ennis comes because Jack had told him things, maybe? What is this relationship, friendship, rapport directly told to HIM by Jack, and/or to Mrs. Twist who mentioned it to old man Twist? Any clues there?
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Au revoir,
hugs!
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