Brokeback Mountain: Our Community's Common Bond > Brokeback Mountain Open Forum
As Easter nears, no Easter in Annie's story or the BM movie?? But??
Front-Ranger:
--- Quote from: Artiste on March 19, 2008, 07:18:05 pm ---I do not know if all persons tend to judge too quickly, it seems so; since many do without looking at the facts!! I did that often! Do I do it as often now with my past experiences? Does everbody? Is everyone a Mr. Twist?
Is everyone a Mrs. Twist?
On the other hand, some persons do NOT act fast enough, as some do to SAVE their lives!!
How can one prevent from someone harming you or you harming someone??
WE need to feel as well as to think?? Which comes first??
Is that what the BM movie and Easter is about?
Au revoir,
hugs!
--- End quote ---
I must say that I am somewhat stumped by your questions, Artiste. You pose very very insightful questions, and I must think for a while before answering. . . just give me a couple of secs here!!
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: Front-Ranger on March 21, 2008, 12:17:03 am ---All I can say is to recount the conversation, della. I said to Annie Proulx: "You made Jack a bullrider, What about the myth of the bullrider that stretches back to the bull leapers of ancient Crete?" She was nodding her head and then she answered, "I expect the reader to bring this information to the story, because there just isn't time (I think she meant room) to talk about all of it. For instance..." and then she went into the story about Christ riding on the unbroken colt. I think that was one of His many miracles, instantly taming a colt, or low-startle-point filly, if you will...
--- End quote ---
Well, hmmm. Based on what little you quoted, I don't think Proulx meant anything other than what she said. That readers will bring their own knowledge to the story.
As far as we can tell, historically, the Minoans didn't ride the bulls, they did pretty much what you see, more like a circus event, jumping over or onto the bulls during festivals. Whether Jesus tamed a donkey or not, I'm not sure how partying ancient pagan fertility festival bull jumpers, hard working modern day bull riders and ancient Jewish reformers riding donkeys have to do with each other. From what I've read, in some versions, Jesus is riding a female donkey with her colt along side her, and that Jesus' entrance to Jerusalem was modeled on something like a triumphal parade, like conquering kings at the time, complete with the crowd waving palm fronds of victory.
I see what you guys are getting at, but to me, they're extreme leaps.
Front-Ranger:
Here's a link to the coverage of the entire event. Annie of course said a lot more than that.
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,4224.0.html
Just to be clear, I have two points: bull-worshipping cultures have existed in many places and throughout history. Secondly, the early Christians borrowed from and appropriated the rituals of earlier religions, and the Easter story is no exception.
In fact, the very word Easter pre-dates Christianity and refers to the Germanic goddess Oestre, who was herself appropriated by the Judeo/Christians and became Esther.
Artiste:
Thanks Front-Ranger!
I did NOT know the origin of the word Easter! So that is it: Oestre ??
Since it's Holy Friday, do you think that Jack is crucified by being blasted with the tire iron? In film(s), Christ is picked by the arrow of the soldier, a sword? The tire iron is like sword to make him bleed?
Happy Good Friday to you, family and friends!!
Hugs!
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: Front-Ranger on March 21, 2008, 10:01:32 am ---Here's a link to the coverage of the entire event. Annie of course said a lot more than that.
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,4224.0.html
Just to be clear, I have two points: bull-worshipping cultures have existed in many places and throughout history.
--- End quote ---
True, but what does bull-worshipping have to do with Jesus and Easter? That is what I'm trying to wrap my head around. Christians in every generation would have been appalled at the analogy. After all, bull-worshippers are the "golden calf" worshippers and idolators derided so much in the bible. The people the Jews and then the Christians have tried so hard to differentiate themselves from.
--- Quote ---Secondly, the early Christians borrowed from and appropriated the rituals of earlier religions, and the Easter story is no exception.
--- End quote ---
Yes, but it was as you say, a Germanic influence, also, the Christians - as usual - hijacked the Passover celebration of the Jews (which had nothing to do with resurrection) and the vernal equinox fertility celebrations of other pagan religions.
I still don't see the connection between bull-worshippers and Easter and BBM. At best, the only thing I see that they have convincingly in common are livestock.
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[#] Next page
[*] Previous page
Go to full version