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Texas Polygamy Sect
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: injest on April 15, 2008, 11:21:31 pm ---mothers get to stay with them if they are under 4 I believe.
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I heard that, too. I'm just thinking back that if I had been forcibly kept from my mother when I was, say, 7 or 8, I would have been traumatized beyond belief.
--- Quote from: injest on April 15, 2008, 11:59:43 pm ---or having members from other compounds come and spirit the children away. Which I believe is what happened to the girl that called for help. IF she isn't dead.
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Or if she even existed in the first place. 8)
--- Quote from: oilfieldtrash on April 15, 2008, 11:49:58 pm ---that is what has me puzzled? why didn't CPS and the local authorities drag the perps off? if the perps were removed, the victims could have been left in their in their homes and not dragged off to some holding camp! the whole episode make the local Schleicher Co authorities and CPS look like bunglers.
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Three of the women and a lawyer were on Today this morning. The lawyer raised a point I found interesting. The authorities are treating the whole kit and kaboodle as one family, or so the lawyer says, instead of treating the individual families, well, individually. The women made me think of zombies.
--- Quote from: delalluvia on April 15, 2008, 11:52:29 pm ---I'm not sure, but last I heard, they're still holed up 'somewhere' in the compound and the authorities are trying to keep the thing from turning into a standoff. Or that's the impression I got.
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Seems to me if they're holed up somewhere, and the authorities aren't letting them in or out, then they've got a de facto standoff. Only a matter of time before the shooting starts.
Shakesthecoffecan:
You know I heard on the news they were looking for Foster homes for those 401 children. I think if I had to place that many children I would be open to placing them in homes owned by other families besides the Fosters. How many Fosters can there be? And Just because they are Fosters they might not want any children.
HerrKaiser:
I think there is no one who violently demands protection of children and other victims from crimes such as being accused here.
But, i am very concerned the actions of the Texas Rangers style assault team of CPS zealots has stretched far their authority and sorely abused the rights of many in this compound. It is llooking to me like an anti-church thing, at least in part.
With only an anonymous call (and the caller STILL not having come forth) and months of "undercover" work with only sketchy info, the charges remain largely without evidence substantial enough to support a 'real' case. The rounding up of the children and stealing them away from parents makes Guantanamo look like a cake walk. Yes, kidnapping kids and separating them from parents is torture. Nowhere in our legal justice system is it considered due process to encircle and arrest an entire population for suspected illegal behavior or one or a few. I feel like I'm watching nazis marching down the streets of San Angelo TX but not with swastikas and umpa bands, but with CPS badges.
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: HerrKaiser on April 16, 2008, 05:45:35 pm ---I think there is no one who violently demands protection of children and other victims from crimes such as being accused here.
But, i am very concerned the actions of the Texas Rangers style assault team of CPS zealots has stretched far their authority and sorely abused the rights of many in this compound. It is llooking to me like an anti-church thing, at least in part.
With only an anonymous call (and the caller STILL not having come forth) and months of "undercover" work with only sketchy info, the charges remain largely without evidence substantial enough to support a 'real' case. The rounding up of the children and stealing them away from parents makes Guantanamo look like a cake walk. Yes, kidnapping kids and separating them from parents is torture. Nowhere in our legal justice system is it considered due process to encircle and arrest an entire population for suspected illegal behavior or one or a few. I feel like I'm watching nazis marching down the streets of San Angelo TX but not with swastikas and umpa bands, but with CPS badges.
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I certainly agree that CPS and especially the local Schleicher county authorities messed this up from the gitgo. It seems that if there were solid evidence necessary to call out the Rangers, charges should have been filed and the accused perps should have been frogmarched out of the compound. I think that what we see is CPS grabbing some headlines without the local authorities doing the proper intelligence on the ground to make their actions meaningful.
I am inclined to believe that a polygamist sect that marries off women under 15 and ejects young boys from the compound at that age, needs some very close examination, and really shouldn't be protected under the "freedom of religion" clause in the US or the TX constitutions.
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: oilfieldtrash on April 16, 2008, 06:09:44 pm ---I certainly agree that CPS and especially the local Schleicher county authorities messed this up from the gitgo. It seems that if there were solid evidence necessary to call out the Rangers, charges should have been filed and the accused perps should have been frogmarched out of the compound. I think that what we see is CPS grabbing some headlines without the local authorities doing the proper intelligence on the ground to make their actions meaningful.
I am inclined to believe that a polygamist sect that marries off women under 15 and ejects young boys from the compound at that age, needs some very close examination, and really shouldn't be protected under the "freedom of religion" clause in the US or the TX constitutions.
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Ditto. There were reports of men patrolling the compound with guns also makes me very uneasy. This kind of thing can lead to a Mt. Carmel or a Jonestown where people are no longer able to leave even if they wanted to without running the gauntlet of men with guns. And if the women wanted to leave? With kids in tow? Does this sound like a risk they would be willing to take?
After all the killing was done at Mt. Carmel and Jonestown, people were aghast at how could something like this be allowed to happen?. Because when people saw men patrolling compounds with guns, they did nothing from without or within.
What is also suspicious is the fact that when given the opportunity to defend their faith - the women ignored or refused to answer questions about the age at which they were married and the accusations of underaged girls being wed.
Seems like they're well aware they are breaking the law and have been told by their lawyer how to avoid incriminating themselves with public statements because they know they will also be charged.
No way freedom of religion should protect them from prosecution.
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