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Texas Polygamy Sect
LauraGigs:
--- Quote ---I am inclined to believe that a polygamist sect that marries off women under 15 and ejects young boys from the compound at that age . . .
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If a female is under 15, she's a girl. (Wouldn't usually nit-pick, but in this case the semantics are important...)
Anyway, I don't believe the Texas legal system would be interfering here (evacuating on such a huge scale) without a pretty clear-cut case. The details evidently haven't made it to the newswires yet, and shouldn't any time soon because of issues with protecting the identities of the minors involved.
And at the core of the case is alleged child rape and sexual abuse (and in the case of the boys, abandonment) which I think would rank pretty high on the trauma scale.
And the state/local law enforcement has gotten this far in the process with no violence -- no one injured at all. I'd say they're doing something right.
HerrKaiser:
--- Quote from: LauraGigs on April 16, 2008, 10:39:53 pm ---
And the state/local law enforcement has gotten this far in the process with no violence -- no one injured at all. I'd say they're doing something right.
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"no one injured at all" yet you use the "trauma" scale to help justify these government actions? how about the trauma and injury being suffered by over 400 little kids who have been literally kidnapped from their parents? how about the trauma for those parents?
It will be interesting to see what the governement has cooked up to justify this assault on basic human rights. The wailing that has taken place for the lack of valid reasons to go to war in Iraq is leveraged against a series of UN resolutions and published intelligence from France, UK, Germany and Russia.
All the CPS in TX had was an anonymous call from someone who they can't even find. ???
I wonder if Bush got an anonymous call from a cell phone in Bagdad (who was never found) that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and was raping women and torturing citizens...if the war would have been more supported.
Surely, any crimes commited against the children or adults must be prosecuted, but the process that has taken place sends a chilling chiver up my spine. Take note:
"First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me."
I fear that could one day be:
"...first they came for the religious compounds and I did not speak out..."
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: HerrKaiser on April 17, 2008, 01:00:37 pm ---"no one injured at all" yet you use the "trauma" scale to help justify these government actions? how about the trauma and injury being suffered by over 400 little kids who have been literally kidnapped from their parents? how about the trauma for those parents?
It will be interesting to see what the governement has cooked up to justify this assault on basic human rights. The wailing that has taken place for the lack of valid reasons to go to war in Iraq is leveraged against a series of UN resolutions and published intelligence from France, UK, Germany and Russia.
All the CPS in TX had was an anonymous call from someone who they can't even find. ???
I wonder if Bush got an anonymous call from a cell phone in Bagdad (who was never found) that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and was raping women and torturing citizens...if the war would have been more supported.
Surely, any crimes commited against the children or adults must be prosecuted, but the process that has taken place sends a chilling chiver up my spine. Take note:
"First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me."
I fear that could one day be:
"...first they came for the religious compounds and I did not speak out..."
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Kaiser, in this case I'm not so sure this is an "assault on human rights". Incompetence on the part of the locals, most definitely, but when I consider what was apparently happening inside the cult's compound, I have to wonder just what took the local authorities so long to act.
It appears that the facts are:
1) underage girls were either brainwashed or coerced into marrying much older men,
2) underage boys were being expelled and abandoned as they entered mid puberty,
3) there was a rather large armed presence around the compound, suggesting an armed camp.
I recognize that the cult's male leadership and the cooperative mothers of the children should have their day in court, and I await their testimony as to why they created and allowed such a situation to develop.
I am also interested in why local Schleicher County authorities allowed this situation to continue as long as it did. That would mean hearings at the County commissioners court, maybe a complaint needs to be filed. Hmm?
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: oilfieldtrash on April 17, 2008, 04:00:42 pm ---I am also interested in why local Schleicher County authorities allowed this situation to continue as long as it did. That would mean hearings at the County commissioners court, maybe a complaint needs to be filed. Hmm?
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I've been wondering that, too. From the looks of the place, those people have been there a good, long while.
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on April 17, 2008, 04:09:12 pm ---I've been wondering that, too. From the looks of the place, those people have been there a good, long while.
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you are exactly right, the compound is clearly visible in the El Dorado area, the people there knew of the activities of the cult, and yet no ISD officials ever checked into what was happening to the children. Under TX law, children can be home schooled, in fact given the public schools it is a good idea, but local ISD officials must inspect at regular intervals and test the students to make certain that their schooling meets state standards. There was ample reason for local officials to know the full extent of the activities of this cult long ago. That is what concerns me. How did the ISD, municipal and county officials drop the ball for so long?
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