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Why the Lie?
silkncense:
Tiawahcowboy -
Well the title of this thread is certainly appropriate. Why the lie?
The ENTIRE last paragraph with spelling & grammatical errors was previously posted under either the ID "TJ" or "Joe Allen Doty." If you want, I will try to have the previous posts checked to refresh your memory.
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Re: what possessed Jack to take that shirt in the first place?
« Reply #26 on: May 28, 2006, 06:21:29 pm »
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Quote from: opinionista on May 28, 2006, 06:08:13 pm
It's funny because in Spanish Del Mar is a girl's name. It's usually a middle name, as in Maria del Mar.
Yep, an' thar's a whole passel of Hispanic men who have "Maria" as first name. John Wayne's and Pat Robertson's legal first names? Marion. I used to know a woman whose first name was spelled "Marion."
In my life, I have known men named, Sharon, Shirley, and Sherrill. Sharon Parks was a great big country boy and nobody fun of his name. Shirley Rogers McKenzie preferred to be called "Roger;" his mother name him after a male Cherokee relative whose full name was "Shirley Rogers." Sherrill Booker told people to just call him "Booker."
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delalluvia:
--- Quote from: tiawahcowboy on May 29, 2006, 12:57:52 am ---While this is not a regular message board run by an ISP, according to internet etiquette, it is rude to shorten the a person's "ID" name. I could mess with your Spanish name and say something accordingly.
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Go right ahead. People shorten my ID name all the time here and on other boards as well and it's not considered 'rude' nor do I consider it rude. I like to make it as easy as possible for people to address me. It's not their fault I chose the name I did.
[shrug]
--- Quote ---I am not an authority on all men;
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Well, then there you go.
--- Quote ---but, I am old enough to know quite about a bit about them.
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Heh, so am I. For some men, they're not that hard to figure out.
--- Quote ---What makes you an authority on male sexual activity.
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Never said I was.
--- Quote ---All men are not alike when it comes to sexual preferences; not every guy masturbates.
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Of course not, but we're talking about Ennis. And since he's a fictional character we can only assign him what sexual preferences the author gives him. The expression used by the author 'wrang it out' can mean more than one thing, so many people take that as a euphemism. And since stats say that 92% of men masturbate and Ennis seems to be a regular guy, liking and having sex with both men and women...[shrug]. I'd say the odds are Ennis is a very sexual guy, so masturbation would be right up his alley. No rational reason to believe he engages in two forms of sexual activity, but would abstain from something as personal and simple as masturbation.
opinionista:
--- Quote ---To "wring" and to "wring out" (or as Ennis says in past tense "wrang it out)," is the act of trying squeeze out an answer to why something happens which seems to have no answer. The expression has no connection with masturbation.
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--- Quote from: DavidinHartford on May 27, 2006, 10:28:35 pm ---Oh most definately it was referring to Masturbating. Think of how the word was used in the book. "I must have wrang it out a hundred times thinking about you".
Doesn't everyone fantasize about their dream partner when playing with themselves? ;)
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I agree with DavidinHardford, in the short story Ennis was definitely referring to masturbating. They were talking about sex at that moment.
From the story:
"I like doin it with women, yeah, but Jesus H. ain't nothing like this. I never had no thoughts a doin it with another guy except I sure wrang it out a hundred times thinkin about you. You do it with other guys, Jack?" "Shit no", said Jack, who had been riding more than bulls, not rolling his own.
Now that I have brought the above quotation from the story, I ask you guys, is Proulx implying that Jack had sex with other guys while away from Ennis? I'm not quite sure I understand what the author means with Jack riding more than bulls not rolling his own.
starboardlight:
--- Quote from: J on May 29, 2006, 01:04:56 am ---Hot damn Starboardlight, how did you do that??? Is there really an archive for the IMDb threads? Cool, who has access to it??
J
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Several of us started saving threads that we liked to our hard drives. When the trolls started to delete the threads on the board, we got together and compiled our archives together. Someone was kind enough to host this archive. We can only use it to read what had been posted. We can't really interact with it anymore, in terms of adding posts. It's a nice resource for reading what others have said and theorized about the details of the movie. Here's the link to the archive. Enjoy. ;)
http://www.geocities.com/bbmarchive/
starboardlight:
all this arguing about "wrang it out" is funny. tiawahcowboy, you're certainly entitled to interpret the phrase how you like, but I don't understand why you're so adamant that other read it the same way you do. In literature, metaphors are very common. An imagery can be used to describe something even though they nothing to do with one another. When Shakespeare wrote "A rose by any other name" he wasn't talking about flowers. He used the phrase to describe Romeo and Juliet's love in the face of family conflict. A phrase can have a surface meaning and many under layers of meanings at the same time.
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