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Why the Lie?
tiawahcowboy:
--- Quote from: opinionista on May 29, 2006, 12:22:27 pm ---
I agree with DavidinHardford, in the short story Ennis was definitely referring to masturbating. They were talking about sex at that moment.
From the story:
"I like doin it with women, yeah, but Jesus H. ain't nothing like this. I never had no thoughts a doin it with another guy except I sure wrang it out a hundred times thinkin about you. You do it with other guys, Jack?" "Shit no", said Jack, who had been riding more than bulls, not rolling his own.
Now that I have brought the above quotation from the story, I ask you guys, is Proulx implying that Jack had sex with other guys while away from Ennis? I'm not quite sure I understand what the author means with Jack riding more than bulls not rolling his own.
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Is the American English language the first language you learned? Or did you learn English after you learned Spanish?
I have noticed in a number of internet groups and forums boads related to Brokeback Mountain, most of the membership in them know very little or almost nothing about how rural people, cowboys and farmers, etc., talk in their everyday lives in the US states of Montana, N. Dakota, S. Dakota, Nebraska, Iowa, Missouri (western side especially), Kansas, Colorado, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Texas, and Wyoming.
tiawahcowboy:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on May 29, 2006, 01:18:28 pm ---Yes, but neither Ennis/Jack or Proulx are in Oklahoma. What means one thing in Oklahoma can most certainly mean something else in Wyoming.
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And what makes you an expert on American Country regional dilects and local expression, ma'am?
tiawahcowboy:
Oh, my its really interesting how so many women think they understand everything there is to know about men, including how they think and what they do with themselves while they are thinking.
opinionista:
--- Quote from: tiawahcowboy on May 29, 2006, 01:24:48 pm ---Is the American English language the first language you learned? Or did you learn English after you learned Spanish?
I have noticed in a number of internet groups and forums boads related to Brokeback Mountain, most of the membership in them know very little or almost nothing about how rural people, cowboys and farmers, etc., talk in their everyday lives in the US states of Montana, N. Dakota, S. Dakota, Nebraska, Iowa, Missouri (western side especially), Kansas, Colorado, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Texas, and Wyoming.
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I speak English as a second language.
Regarding the "wrang it out" expression I don't know exactly what it means in Oklahoma or anywhere else, to tell you the truth. I do know, however, that sometimes meanings change according to context, so the expresssion probably has different meanings. It depends on how you use it.
As I posted above, in the short story the expression "wrang it out" comes out when they're talking about sex at the motel, which is why I think Ennis is referring to masturbation. It's pretty clear, in my opinion, even though I speak English as a second language. Besides, I read a translated version of the story and that line was translated into Spanish as masturbation. I'm sure the translators did their job right and did the proper researching in order to translate Proulx's word as accurate as possible.
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: tiawahcowboy on May 29, 2006, 01:27:48 pm ---And what makes you an expert on American Country regional dilects and local expression, ma'am?
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Um, if 'wrang out' is - as you stated - an Oklahoma regional/local expression it is therefore, by YOUR definition, not a national expression and thus may not be applicable to Wyoming.
You don't have to be an expert to make that conclusion.
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