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Why are the poor, poor?
HerrKaiser:
--- Quote from: injest on May 07, 2008, 08:13:05 pm ---from what we have seen from the 'conservative voice' on THIS thread, there isnt' much (if ANY) compassion at all coming from them either..
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I guess this depends on how one defines compassion.
conservatives believe the human spirit elements of acheivement and self reliance and self respect need to be part of everyone's existence. Providing the encouragement to acheive such is compassionate.
Liberals seem to feel it is compassionate to simply give folks things which most conservatives feel is a road to disaster. Few people, left or right, continue to support, for example, the aspects of the 1960s war on poverty wherein the government build massive housing developments so the poor could live for free. They quickly turned into major ghettos of crime and violence which was regenerated by subsequent generations. Not very compassionate in my book.
A good example of the difference between conservatives and liberals:
Johnny can't do his homework; he is struggling. Everyone agrees a helping hand is needed. The conservative takes Johnny to the library, shows him how to use the resources, and encourages him to complete the task. Johnny feels accomplished and capable.
The liberal gives Johnny the answers. Johnny goes out to play.
I think the conservative way is far more compassionate. The liberal way is "nicer" by some definitions because it doesn't make him work, but does nothing for his well being.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: HerrKaiser on May 08, 2008, 01:37:02 pm ---A good example of the difference between conservatives and liberals:
Johnny can't do his homework; he is struggling. Everyone agrees a helping hand is needed. The conservative takes Johnny to the library, shows him how to use the resources, and encourages him to complete the task. Johnny feels accomplished and capable.
The liberal gives Johnny the answers. Johnny goes out to play.
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This analogy does not seem to have any parallel in the real world.
Artiste:
Are there ONLY two choices ?? A- One for the poor to remain poor amd become more poor, and the middle class to become poor too ?? B- The other choice for the very wealthy to rule for themselves ONLY ??
1- Maybe HeirKaiser means that the Liberals let libertine rule society and no added schools or training is done, and so the child who is poor receives no schooling needed ? My sister needed help in Math. and so the liberals do not considered that she needed that nor care less if she did get that special attention !!
Liberals let the unrulers rule ! ??
2- Maybe HeirKaiser means that the Conservatives just think for themsleves ? My sister will never get the right education because she is middle class and/or in the poor class ??
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It is easy to see that the very wealthy are becoming more dominant still and do not care that much, if at all, about the other classes of society! And, in the way, they will not only destroy the others, but themselves !!
That seesm to be the norm more and more !! ??
Look at China ruling with murder and nobody cares (since only too few cares) !! Even most Olympians could not care less if they sport in the China 2008 Olympics ?? !! Shame !! Would you invite a known murderer into your home, if you are not a murderer ?
The poor are not considered anymore in to-day's world; governments and others only pay lip-service !!
What do you think ?
Au revoir,
hugs!
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: HerrKaiser on May 08, 2008, 01:37:02 pm ---I guess this depends on how one defines compassion.
conservatives believe the human spirit elements of acheivement and self reliance and self respect need to be part of everyone's existence. Providing the encouragement to acheive such is compassionate.
Liberals seem to feel it is compassionate to simply give folks things which most conservatives feel is a road to disaster. Few people, left or right, continue to support, for example, the aspects of the 1960s war on poverty wherein the government build massive housing developments so the poor could live for free. They quickly turned into major ghettos of crime and violence which was regenerated by subsequent generations. Not very compassionate in my book.
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This is a non-sequitur. Because a program turned out not to work does not mean it wasn't "compassionate" in its inception. Presumably the conservative idea of "compassion" would have been to save the money and just leave those people in the run-down, substandard housing where they were in the first place, since that's how the projects ended up.
--- Quote ---A good example of the difference between conservatives and liberals:
Johnny can't do his homework; he is struggling. Everyone agrees a helping hand is needed. The conservative takes Johnny to the library, shows him how to use the resources, and encourages him to complete the task. Johnny feels accomplished and capable.
The liberal gives Johnny the answers. Johnny goes out to play.
I think the conservative way is far more compassionate. The liberal way is "nicer" by some definitions because it doesn't make him work, but does nothing for his well being.
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--- Quote from: seriouscrayons on May 08, 2008, 01:58:28 pm ---This analogy does not seem to have any parallel in the real world.
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Agreed. It's a typical conservative gross oversimplification. Suppose Johnny is "struggling" because he has a learning disability? Then what does the conservative do? Probably abandons him in the library to fail.
Artiste:
Johnny would not have a chance to go to the library, because schools are starting to close down libraries !!
So, likewise, cities are trimming libraries to the core and even have closed some !
Maybe the dope dealer has a library where Johnny will be forced to go to ? To learn what ?
Au revoir,
hugs!
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