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Why are the poor, poor?
HerrKaiser:
--- Quote from: injest on May 08, 2008, 06:39:24 pm ---I agree with the old saw "Teach a man to fish...." I don't know of many that don't...liberal or conservative.
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Well, my sense from what I see, hear, on this forum, in the media and elsewhere is that the liberal leaning folks tend not to believe in this and/or place numerous caveats on the theorem. And that is, again generally speaking, not what one sees in the democrat programs for entitlements.
by the by...I love the term "old saw". Haven't heard that in years! My favorite is "it's an ill wind that blows no good".
HerrKaiser:
Of course you know that social security and medicare are theoretically "paid" for by recipients.
this is literally not the case because they are absolutely not "accounts"; the payments into each are simply tax dollars that are spent by the goverenment in a variety of ways and are in no way held in place for future distribution to those who input. That is what Bush wanted to do (which was an EXCELLENT idea) but the dems defeated the plan mercilessly.
Artiste:
Really !!
So your money goes away for something else to be given to somebody else (even for drug takers ?) !
Government does a con game ??
Shame !!
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: HerrKaiser on May 08, 2008, 05:02:00 pm --- ??? How so? what are you suggesting does not follow?
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I answered that. It does not follow that because a program does not work, it was not compassionate. Compassion and success or failure are completely unrelated.
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: HerrKaiser on May 08, 2008, 05:15:24 pm ---That said, the learning disability 'what if' is, imo, typical lefist nay-saying and constant desire to be paralyzed by indecision or joining a positive movement forward. I guess you could have said 'what if there is no library close by, what if it was closed when they got there, what if the computers were down....' And that helps make my point about the left's focus on giving rather than helping people acheive.
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Actually, this response just goes to show that Leftists live in a real world, where libraries are closed as a result of Conservative Republican tax cuts. Johnny can't be taught to discover things for himself in a library that isn't there.
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