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Why are the poor, poor?
Brown Eyes:
--- Quote from: broketrash on May 09, 2008, 03:53:42 pm ---Lets all right now start weeping for the starving children of 18th cent Ireland who have been dead for 280 years!
I can see that the left is now running out of ammo and need a little diversion.
The reality is that there really is no relevance to the comparison of the famines in Ireland in the 18th cent which Swift was parodying and the 21st cent American underclass. Just as there is no comparison to the fate of the underclass in this country to the fate of the starving in 3rd world countries of today.
Now if you really feel a call to save starving children such as described by Swift, then go to Africa. There in the Islamic country of Sudan, a people are being starved to death in a type of ethnic cleansing.
and if people advancing the cause of the welfare state actually believe that there is a comparison, then the gulf is too wide to bridge the debate without using words like "delusional" and "confused".
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The point about the comparison was not about famine per se. It was about the extremity and harshness of solutions being offered to the problems related to poverty and the issue of children in the context of poverty. In the one case, forced sterilization of poverty striken parents (discussed in this thread) and eating/selling children (as in the classic, satirical, and ironic Swift essay).
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: injest on May 09, 2008, 06:06:40 pm ---my interpretation of her INTENT was to show how attitudes are still the same. The attitudes that were being parodied THEN are still active today.
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Thank you, Jess. That was exactly my intent.
:)
Artiste:
Why are the poor, poor ?
Reasons and solutions, please !!
More...
au revoir,
hugs! I know that for some First Nations, not only were their lands stolen, but where they are now, governments are causing them too much hardships ! Did you read my post about the child who died because of two governments ?
HerrKaiser:
--- Quote from: injest on May 09, 2008, 06:16:04 pm ---well one thing that might help is if you ask your friend to stop making up words...it is difficult enough to follow his posts without him making up words and expecting that we all know what he is talking about.. :P
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what does this notation have to do with anything regarding my post? ??? (or the price of eggs in montana?)
I referred directly to JW's makes sense/bizarre back and forth that was simply undecipherable.
If you, injest, are taking pause to criticize broketrash, who I assume you mean, what is he making up? Or are his words simply just those not in everyday vocabulary? Big difference, yes?
Jeff Wrangler:
At the risk of retreading ground that has already been covered. ...
--- Quote from: HerrKaiser on May 09, 2008, 01:50:57 pm ---If the single woman had not felt comfortable, in the first place, that a child she could not afford would be covered by the broken system, she likely would have made better choices. ;)
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--- Quote from: HerrKaiser on May 09, 2008, 03:05:58 pm ---the above posts are a fine indication of how confused many posts are:
1) seriouscrayons uses my quote to suggest it supports a point by JW
2) JW salutes seriouscrayons for stating this opinion.
3) JW then refers to the same quote as bizarre thinking.
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It is bizarre thinking, that a woman would make a decision to have children based on anticipation that "the system" would support them.
--- Quote from: HerrKaiser on May 09, 2008, 04:31:25 pm --- ??? JW, it boggles a logical mind that you would claim to be misread when your exact words are used to quote.
It further boggles the logical mind that you would claim to be misunderstood when you say what you mean.
If we cannot believe what you write is accurate and we cannot believe what you compose means what it says....what the heck is up with that?
Sheeeez.
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I can only presume what I've quoted above is what you are referring to, but who knows?
And as for that final comment, if you can't comprehend plain English and so just twist it to mean what you wish it to mean ... what the heck is up with that?
Sheeez. ...
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