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TOTW 18/08: The lines from the trailer
Mandy21:
Artiste, it is not "now a known fact" that booze, as you call it, destroys brain cells. Pretty much always been a known fact.
Could you maybe try to prove a point here? Are you saying that if there was no whiskey up on Brokeback, Jack and Ennis would have never fallen in love? Cause that's the only thing I can guess that you're trying to say here, and if that's the case, it's a ridiculous one. Whiskey or no whiskey, I believe they'd have still fallen in love and still made love. Maybe it would have taken them a little longer to get over their fear and shyness, but it would have still happened, regardless of "booze".
optom3:
--- Quote from: Mandy21 on May 31, 2008, 10:52:19 pm ---Artiste, it is not "now a known fact" that booze, as you call it, destroys brain cells. Pretty much always been a known fact.
Could you maybe try to prove a point here? Are you saying that if there was no whiskey up on Brokeback, Jack and Ennis would have never fallen in love? Cause that's the only thing I can guess that you're trying to say here, and if that's the case, it's a ridiculous one. Whiskey or no whiskey, I believe they'd have still fallen in love and still made love. Maybe it would have taken them a little longer to get over their fear and shyness, but it would have still happened, regardless of "booze".
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Agreed, as I said at the start I think alcohol was just a relaxer,I wondered initially, if Jack was silently complicit.In reading some of the other replies I think I have come full circle.It was going to happen anyway,the consumtion probably just hastened things along.If I think about it,normally if alcohol causes us to have sex with somone and then regret it in the cold sober light of day, we are not usually in a hurry to repeat the mistake.We move on quickly and try and put it behind us.Jack and Ennis suffered no such qualms,hence TS2 and many more over the years.
As is also mentioned in a post, it is what young men in those circumstances would do.Hell it's probably what I would do,cold fed up and the only company being those few hours at night.
sel:
--- Quote from: Mandy21 on May 31, 2008, 10:52:19 pm ---Artiste, it is not "now a known fact" that booze, as you call it, destroys brain cells. Pretty much always been a known fact.
Could you maybe try to prove a point here? Are you saying that if there was no whiskey up on Brokeback, Jack and Ennis would have never fallen in love? Cause that's the only thing I can guess that you're trying to say here, and if that's the case, it's a ridiculous one. Whiskey or no whiskey, I believe they'd have still fallen in love and still made love. Maybe it would have taken them a little longer to get over their fear and shyness, but it would have still happened, regardless of "booze".
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Young, hormones at their peak, lying next to the man of your dream (or woman for that metter), alcohol or not, how could anyone resist not to make an attempt at making a pass?! The alcohol certainly helped in making a rather bold one but Jack, as opposed to Ennis, was a risk taker.
BlissC:
--- Quote from: Mandy21 on May 31, 2008, 10:38:30 pm ---It's just my humble opinion that Ennis chose on his own that night to drink that much so that he would have an excuse to stay in the camp with Jack and see what might happen. Jack wasn't pouring it down his throat, that's for sure.
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That's a good point. Though as Sel said, Jack was the risk taker, and made the first move, as I think I've mentioned before somewhere, from Jack's first move and Ennis's shock to Ennis deciding TS1 was a good idea so to speak, IIRC was less than around 10 seconds, which would suggest that Ennis had indeed considered the possibility of this already.
Ennis in particular was very conscious of their responsibility to care for the sheep, and having worked on the mountain for a number of weeks, he'd have known how difficult and dangerous it would be to make it back to where the sheep were pastured in the dark and while drunk, so he must have had a pretty good reason to drink enough that he wouldn't be able to make it back to the sheep. The more I think about it Mandy, that POV makes a lot of sense.
Mandy21:
Thanks, Bliss. I remember the scene where Jack came back to camp saying, "I spend 4 hours a day commuting", considering the two trips he had to make each day, for breakfast and supper, which would mean the journey back to where they "pasture the woolies" would be 1 hour, at least, when you were sober. Goodness knows if you'd even find your way, in a drunken condition. I'm sure Ennis knew that Jack knew that presumption. Don't even think about trying to find your way A) in complete darkness, with only the moon as your guide, and B) drunk as a skunk. Jack was always the less responsible one, when it came to taking care of those sheep, so I think Ennis knew he wouldn't get any grief from Jack if he got a little too drunk and decided to forego the trip back to them on that first evening.
But this makes me think about something else, and I hope I don't offend anybody with this. Most men who've been drinking too much can last a really, REALLY long time. And most virgins can last no time at all. Why is it, do you think, that the first time was over so quickly, considering Ennis was both drunk AND a virgin? Hmmmmm...... Thoughts?
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